Nightblade 1.6 Nerf

AlnilamE · January 2015

Why does everybody hate Lotus Fan?

vontariel · January 2015

If 1.6 based on current patch notes is nerf, then my class can be nerfed every day.

Bouvin · January 2015

oren74 wrote: »

yeah as a NB...no more just rushing into the middle of a zerg, hit bats, sap like crazy holding block, build ultimate, bats again.

Was too good to be true

Now we can just rush in and Sap Essense/Impulse spam.

Woot.

Reports from test server, Sap Essense still heals.

Celless · January 2015

Sap Essence has healing plus the Major Sorcery. Not sure how it all fits in with everything else yet.

Shuichi · January 2015

Stamina took a major hit, resource management became incredibly difficult without the stamina regen from Grim Focus; a skill which doesn't help too much in pvp. If anyone get's a decent dw/bow build working let's discuss that. For now I'm thinking DW/2H might have to work.

Spiritreaver_ESO · January 2015

Shuichi wrote: »

Stamina took a major hit, resource management became incredibly difficult without the stamina regen from Grim Focus; a skill which doesn't help too much in pvp. If anyone get's a decent dw/bow build working let's discuss that. For now I'm thinking DW/2H might have to work.

Huh?

Forgive me, but just seems like you are grasping at the littlest thing here to gripe at. And hey, that's your choice.

But come on a sec, i really can't see Stamina regen being a really pressing issue anymore.

TheBucket · January 2015

Yeah with champion system. I dont see stamina being an issue

Wahee · January 2015

Blud wrote: »

Sounds like what really got nerfed was NB aoe mob grinding.

Seems like the central focus of all nerfs is on ways people can get lots of xp.

Brawler + reverse slice + siphoning attacks + VOB on a stam build. I was pulling 3 packs at a time in spellscar on PTS and my hp never dipped below about 75%. Seriously, its awesome.

Celless · January 2015

Wahee wrote: »

Blud wrote: »

Sounds like what really got nerfed was NB aoe mob grinding.

Seems like the central focus of all nerfs is on ways people can get lots of xp.

Brawler + reverse slice + siphoning attacks + VOB on a stam build. I was pulling 3 packs at a time in spellscar on PTS and my hp never dipped below about 75%. Seriously, its awesome.

Sprinkle some Rally (Momentum) on that and extra hell yes.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · January 2015

Grim Focus morph still has stam regen, however now it is 10% at level 4.

The biggest nerf to NBs though is the undocumented change to the Catalyst passive. It used to increase potion effectiveness by 30%. Now it gives you 8 Ultimate when you use a potion. Utter crap.

As a side note, Argonians also had their racial passive that increased potion effectiveness nerfed. Seems like potion effectiveness was something that got the axe with 1.6

Ray22 · January 2015

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Grim Focus morph still has stam regen, however now it is 10% at level 4.

The biggest nerf to NBs though is the undocumented change to the Catalyst passive. It used to increase potion effectiveness by 30%. Now it gives you 8 Ultimate when you use a potion. Utter crap.

As a side note, Argonians also had their racial passive that increased potion effectiveness nerfed. Seems like potion effectiveness was something that got the axe with 1.6

Woopsy daisy... I don't like the sound of that. The 30% increase in potion efectiveness was God almighty for some builds, yet not something that OP'd NBs. I was happy with (almost) everything about 1.6 until I read that. Giving 8 ultimate is just plain...you know what I'm about to say.

That should be changed or, hell, just removed. I'm not using 2 skill points on that crap, and that would be a first for a passive ability. Looks like an improvised thing.

It does really look like they're trying to protect newcomers or more amateur gamers who don't really know how to use potions (if they use them at all). Bad news, gotta say. Really bad news :'(

Darkonflare15 · January 2015

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Grim Focus morph still has stam regen, however now it is 10% at level 4.

The biggest nerf to NBs though is the undocumented change to the Catalyst passive. It used to increase potion effectiveness by 30%. Now it gives you 8 Ultimate when you use a potion. Utter crap.

As a side note, Argonians also had their racial passive that increased potion effectiveness nerfed. Seems like potion effectiveness was something that got the axe with 1.6

You can increase potion effectiveness in the champion system so that is why they changed it.

Brittany_Joy · January 2015

Nightblades are far from nerfed in 1.6. Instead we have numerous amounts of buffs to our DPS, Sustain, and Survivability.

Mark Target now removed the penalty which means we do not reduce our own armor. Now we benefit from using Mark Target on enemies who bite. We have a new ability that overall increases our DPS. The abilities should scale off the attribute you have the most, so I dunno why you are freaking out.

The stamina conversion for some abilities was really needed for NB Stamina Builds. There is another morph that scales well with Spells, so stop complaining.

TheBull · January 2015

On a positive note my power extraction hits for almost 3k non crit

With a glorious 6 tethers from soul tether.

Shuichi · January 2015

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Huh?

Forgive me, but just seems like you are grasping at the littlest thing here to gripe at. And hey, that's your choice.

But come on a sec, i really can't see Stamina regen being a really pressing issue anymore.

Let me clarify, I meant to say Stamina NB PvP Builds seem to have taken a hit. With half of my class skills now morphed to use stamina I burn through it much faster than normal, making my survivability dropped. I'm sure I'll find a new build to work out but it's going to take getting used to.

Erondil · January 2015

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

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The stamina conversion for some abilities was really needed for NB Stamina Builds. There is another morph that scales well with Spells, so stop complaining.

I'm complaining because there is a lot of NB melee caster wich use ambush actually, and the stamina scalling will destroy it. Yes, there is another morph, Lotus Fan, but this one is useless for solo PvP players, and almost never used (on 100+ NBs I known, nobody use it, and 50% are caster melee using ambush). So, why not remove Lotus Fan to get one ambush magicka and one ambush stamina? That's why I'm complaining. ZOS decisions makes no sense sometimes.

starkerealm · January 2015

Erondil wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

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The stamina conversion for some abilities was really needed for NB Stamina Builds. There is another morph that scales well with Spells, so stop complaining.

I'm complaining because there is a lot of NB melee caster wich use ambush actually, and the stamina scalling will destroy it. Yes, there is another morph, Lotus Fan, but this one is useless for solo PvP players, and almost never used (on 100+ NBs I known, nobody use it, and 50% are caster melee using ambush). So, why not remove Lotus Fan to get one ambush magicka and one ambush stamina? That's why I'm complaining. ZOS decisions makes no sense sometimes.

I'm pretty sure Lotus Fan is for NB Tanks. Pop in, shank off everyone around you, and get all the aggro, then start using real AoEs as the rest of the team moves in.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2015

I just want to let people know that the 1.6 stamina Ambush gets the Empower Buff and the next attack is +20% damage, also the ability is now instant, and I mean fast..wow what a difference in attack speed..

see pic= imageshack.com/a/img537/4931/SVuvIv.png

Spiritreaver_ESO · January 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I just want to let people know that the 1.6 stamina Ambush gets the Empower Buff and the next attack is +20% damage, also the ability is now instant, and I mean fast..wow what a difference in attack speed..

see pic= imageshack.com/a/img537/4931/SVuvIv.png

Not too shabby. Not too shabby at all.

Soulac · January 2015

Actually Lotus fan is not that bad, as long as u use it while ur enemy isn't blocking.

It's a physical dot and drains Stamina and in addition to shadow image and bash animation canceling, your enemy is out of stamina in a matter of seconds.

Lynx7386 · January 2015

That new ambush does look sexy, it will be a real tossup deciding between that and critical rush

Erondil · January 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Lotus Fan is for NB Tanks. Pop in, shank off everyone around you, and get all the aggro, then start using real AoEs as the rest of the team moves in.

I got a NB tank build (pvp and pve) and Lotus fan is not really interesting, shielded assault is better since you get a shield, and you can't be interrupted. You don't need to get agro on trashs mobs, the dps can blockcast so they don't take a lot of damages. Refreshing path is another option wich I use sometimes, so lotus fan is not really needed for tank.

Soulac wrote: »

Actually Lotus fan is not that bad, as long as u use it while ur enemy isn't blocking.

It's a physical dot and drains Stamina and in addition to shadow image and bash animation canceling, your enemy is out of stamina in a matter of seconds.

It gonna be a spell dot in 1.6. More than that, good duels opponent doesn't spam block anymore (against me at least) due to my shadow and my fear, so no stamina drain agaisnt them. Agaisnt bad opponents, shadow and fear are already enough to drain their stamina in couple of seconds. And the 36% damages bonuses from ambush is awesome coupled to ult. With the fear new duration, you got 3secs to burst to the death your opponent. Without ambush+ult, it seems not possible.

olemanwinter · January 2015

Oh, so Veiled Strike does less damage mitigation?

That should make NB healers real popular.

Every freaking time Zos touches something they reduce diversity of play style.

Erondil · January 2015

More than that, I've got the feeling that my caster melee build is destroyed :

-Light Armor Nerf : I agree Light Armor is actually overpowered compared to others, but changes not doesnt seems normals for me : Compared to heavy armor wich got 4/4 armor and spell resist, Medium got 3/4 armor AND 3/4 spell resist, Light got 1/4 and 1/4. I can't understand why medium gives much more spell resist than light, since they are both offensives armors. Medium users actually got better damages and better crits than LA users. Now, they got a better resistance agaisnt physical damages (normal change imo) BUT they got better resistance agaisnt caster dps. It's not normal imo and it would be : Medium 3/4 armor and 1/4 spell resist Light 1/4 armor and 3/4 spell resist.
With the news class spells stamina based, we will find already much more physical players (so inderectly LA already got nerfed)

-Ambush stamina based : already explained why

-No "magicka" surprise attack : all skills scaling on magicka gonna be influenced by spell resist, so they would make a surprise attack wich reduce spell resist. But nah, they just turned surprise attack into stamina skill (np, stamina players needed it too) without any kind of magicka equivalent, like they did for ambush.
Instead of scale those 2 abilities on the higher stats (stam/magicka spell dmg/wep dmg) like they did with ults, they just turned them into stam skills without any magicka equivalent. #ZOS logic

-Fear : its not a total nerf because it hits 3 targets now, but due to the reduction of duration (3s from 4.5s), you wont be able to burst someone into the death during it. Most of ppl are actually running with 3kHP, in solo PvP no way to get a 1k dps. More than all without ambush+ult combo

-Shadow image : His duration get reduced to. I'm pretty angry of that because atm, shadow image is one of the few abilities in the game that needs skill and training to be used well. With 18 secs duration from 25 (=30% time reduce) its going to be really hard to use it as escape way. Seems like zeni don't want to let us brain bad players, F2P players.

-Pots passives ninja changes : My sustain is actuallty based on pots because I don't use archmage or seducer or magnus. So this passive was very important for me. But with the new champion system, I can't know if ressources mangement will still be a problem

-The only good change is Soul Tether, being OP.

So, due to all those changes, stamina based melee NB gonna be >>> than caster melee NB. And I'm not a huge fan of the stamina style.

Solo melee caster NB = RIP in pringles

Turelus · January 2015

Let's be honest as Nightblades we all knew a nerf to VoB was coming... it was kind of silly. :disagree:

DDuke · January 2015

To be honest, I feel stamina NB & magicka NB are now more balanced.

Pre-1.6, you had your magicka NBs that could be extremely tanky and have the burst similar to stamina NBs.

Post-1.6, stamina is likely going to surpass magicka in terms of burst damage, but will still be squishier and easier to kill.

What I don't like however, is that NBs seem to be the weakest class in stealth burst damage now with the Hemorrhage nerf & no access to "Major Brutality", "Major Force" or "Major Berserk".

I picked Nightblade specifically to play a stealth focused rogue character, but now it turns out to be the worst class for it...

PBpsy · January 2015

I am very happy for the NB tanks that were so happy for the ulti changes. Have fun guys with a barely useful defensive ulti.

I am glad to see that more people see how idiotic these change are even if it was obvious since that December ESO live.

olemanwinter · January 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Let's be honest as Nightblades we all knew a nerf to VoB was coming... it was kind of silly.

SILLY INDEED.

Nerf something that wasn't overpowered in PVP, and very useful and balanced in actual PvE Content (trials, DSA, Vet dungeons) just to keep people from grinding so fast???

Newsflash: Grinding wouldn't be necessary if the game's progression wasn't fundamentally broken.

But by all means, go ahead and ruin the parts of the game that people actually want to play. Nobody wanted to grind. They needed to grind.

But I wanted to heal pledges as a NB healer.
Oh well, F' me I guess. Let's have a laugh.

(*)

AssaultLemming · January 2015

Wow VoB got the crap nerfed out of it when you think about it with the ultimate generation nerf.

Turelus · January 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Let's be honest as Nightblades we all knew a nerf to VoB was coming... it was kind of silly.

SILLY INDEED.

Nerf something that wasn't overpowered in PVP, and very useful and balanced in actual PvE Content (trials, DSA, Vet dungeons) just to keep people from grinding so fast???

Newsflash: Grinding wouldn't be necessary if the game's progression wasn't fundamentally broken.

But by all means, go ahead and ruin the parts of the game that people actually want to play. Nobody wanted to grind. They needed to grind.

But I wanted to heal pledges as a NB healer.
Oh well, F' me I guess. Let's have a laugh. (*)

I don't think anyone ever needed to grind, those who wanted to be max level faster than questing or PVP allowed chose to grind.

VoB was 17 seconds of basically being immune in PVE and pretty useful in PVP. We were in a situation where we had one ultimate, VoB the other one most likely Flawless Dawnbreaker to buff weapon damage.

I really see the changes as a way to make the choice of ultimate more compelling an not VoB or GTFO.

If you wanted to be a NB healer (couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or not) then surely the new improvements Soul Tether could be of interest to you?