CP gain for VR14s is garbage, but with enlightenment its really fast for lower levels. I'm going to do everything I can to keep my VR1 alt from gaining vet levels (AKA only grind while enlightened). When it does hit VR14, I'll just have to level more alts to VR1. Or I'll quit the game. That is always an option ZOS.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I'm just wondering here. I played PvP last night for a few hours. Not totally hardcore, but not really messing around too much either. I ended up with 47k xp, which is just over 10% of what I needed for a single champion point (out of a max of 3,600). This was depressing to me, and it seems quite a few other posters feel the same. I like the fact that there is still a long way to go and I have things to look forward too, but at this rate I'm going to be getting maybe a couple champion points per month of play. But maybe we are in the minority, and most people are ok with that. Hence this poll.

The question: do you feel the current rate of xp gain for champion points is:

You are asking the question wrong.
You see, I was playing PVE last night for a few hours. Not totally hardcore, but not really messing around either. And I ended up with around 400K xp = 1 CP..

The Right Question is = Why the hell is spending time with PVE worth 10 times more than with PVP?

I would rather PVP like you, but not at 10K xp/hour.

Just to put it into perspective: An average quest turn-in awards 11k XP.

11k x 36 = 396k

It takes 400k to earn one CP w/o enlightenment.

In what world can you complete and turn in 36 major quests every 4 hours?

This is why people grind.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Also got yesterday around 40k xp. Thats what i can bout earn per day due to play time if i only PvP (wife, kids, work, other hobbies). so it will take me 10 days to get 1 CP. So 3600 will take me 36000 days which is a whopping 98 years WOOHOO.

And i only PvP currently.

Make sure to leave your account info in your will, so your children can continue the CP grind.

Even double exp pots will only half it, to five years.

Aimelin wrote: »

i bet you were one of those ppl that grinded to v12 in 3 hours doing the xp runs / "exploits" and then cried there was nothing left to do

I've never cried about lack of PvE content at all; the game is enormous, and there are tons of things to do. PvP could use something new, I would say, but I've never had a problem with the amount of content.

The fact that it would take literally a century at my rate of play to gain the maximum amount of CP points, however, is a bit much.

I have not gained one CP point since playing 1.6 after downloading it Tuesday and I have been playing pretty steady chalking up many hours of play. My personal opinion its not working period. I have completed several quests, dolmans, solo delves, found numerous new locations and have not received anything. In addition I have not been enlightened either.

I gained a little over 2 levels for 2 hours of gameplay just doing PVE content and being enlightened the whole time. I will say if you arent enlightened it does seem like it takes way longer and i can understand the poll results.

None of the above

Khaldar wrote: »

The problem is grinders with good grinding spots think it is ok. People who want to earn them with PvXP, quest XP, trials and dungeons are left wanting. I think the grinders are fine, but the other modes of XP need a nice fat BUFF!

This!!! I'm a grinder right now with a 400k+ spot, I'm preferably a pvp'er, but grinding is the only way to level my alt at a pace reasonable for my liking! I would like to level via PvP but know it is horrid xp/hour. They need to boost xp/hour in everything, or disincentive grinding with a xp diminishing return and lower CP and Vet-level xp requirements considerably.

Rhaenir wrote: »

It's way too slow right now.

- Grinding was nerfed
- Questing was nerfed
- PvP is still too low as it has always been
- Dungeons are still too low

I think that 2-3 points a day for avg 4-6 hours of doing any combination of the above is a fair amount. It will still take people years to max out at that rate and leave plenty of room left if people want things like exp pots and the 10% boost from subscribing.

@Rhaenir What questing has been nerfed?

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GothicPython wrote: »

You should be able to obtain a champ point ever 1-2 hours of legitimate game-play, whether that be through questing, grinding mobs, pvp, etc... That does not seem to be the case however, and combining the nerf to exp gains with the ridiculously exp requirement for each point makes the whole system a nightmare.

When ZoS first pitched the champion system, they stated ONE HOUR played would equal one champion point. Fast forward.....champion system comes out and it takes 4-6 hours to earn a champion point (for most avg players).

They just failed to mention it will take one hour with a purchased XP pot. GG.

Wrong.

They said 4 hours = 1 Champion Point.
While 1 hour with Enlightement Bonus.

WRONG. I am talking MUCH BEFORE the topic of enlightenment was even known. When the CS was first introduced.

They never said it's going to take 1 hour per Champion Point without Enlightement. Even in the earliest stages, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

Firor and Sage both stated that a champion point would be earned per hour of "normal play". This was prior to the CS being changed to 3600 total points, and ever any mention of enlightenment. There is video evidence that proves it, but there is no way I am wasting any more of my time on you tonight hunting down months old videos on youtube.

There's your answer then. They quartered the total amount of CPs, so to make sure the total time remained the same, they had to make it take four times longer to get each one.

The Champion System is not supposed to be simply a continuation of the pre-veteran level phase. It's not supposed to provide linear progression. Once being a champion, i.e. reaching the veteran ranks, you get better and better, but not in a specialized way but in broad and with a slight accentuation of certain aspects of your toon. Therefore, we are forced to distribute the CPs evenly among the three major categories.

Furthermore, the Champion System is not supposed to be ground out. It provides somes sort of holding container that we can progress into with all the expansions and content addons to come. With this system, there simply is no need to raise the level cap anymore. They can just say: here's da new content, go play it with your toon and continue to grow in breadth. It's thus a way to counter the unpleasant effects that occur in other MMOs, namely the need to throw your hard earned equipment in the trash once the next content addon arrives.

From this perspective, gaining CPs takes just the right amount of time. To endorse this view, you just have to give up thinking of the system in terms of linear progression, which I take to be a mistaken way of thinking. Sure, you can grind CPs if that's what you wanna do in Tamriel. But, IMO you should be aware of the fact that this is not the way the system is intended to work. Thus, if you do grind CPs, don't complain about it being too long of a grind.

CP points are meant to take a very long time to acquire, and gamers in general want stuff now. Think about how long it'll take to hit 3600 CP.....about never, so don't be in such a hurry. Come back in a year and complain.

Enlightenment was suppose to help those that not play much. So far helping ones play most more. 5 days later I only 1/4 of way to my first CP (I play about one hour day with focus on stealing and crafting atm). This game losing its luster

I got my NB to VR1 late Saturday night.

In the following 6 hours of playtime I got after hitting VR1 and through Sunday, I earned 3 CPs and was halfway to the 4th just doing casual questing (lots of standing around while I watched the ESO Twitch Streaming event)

So that's a little better than 1 CP every 2 hours of play, with out really trying. Seems fine to me.