i have heard from my guild mates that if you have you bought the speed horse, for instance, and fed it for the 50 days that you will get the extra bonus speed (up to 60 instead of 50). I dont not know if this is something that has recently been implemented or will hit before 1.6 goes live or if it was just a discussion that my guild had with the devs. But i just recently had a discussion about this. If this is true, then i dont see a problem with the money that was spent if you still get bonuses for having purchased the better horses.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

This is well over 1 million gold that I invested that a new person doesn't and they will still get the same 3 computers.

Now see, right there you appear to be grossly over-estimating your "loss".

There's no way you spent over a million gold on horses that are now obsolete. You'd have had to buy 24 horses at 42,700 to hit the 1 million mark. Keep in mind that you can't count the first horse of each type that you bought, because a new player still has to buy it at least once if they want the skin. So you'd have had to buy 27 horses. Unless you have multiple accounts, that's more horses than anyone could possibly need.

If you honestly have purchased THAT many horses, then you must either have so much money that you are pooping gold coins in the game (in which case, you likely already have anything you could possibly want to spend gold on, and hence, don't need the "compensation" you are crying for), or you horribly failed to properly prioritize where you spent your gold, in which case you don't deserve to get any of it back.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

This is well over 1 million gold that I invested that a new person doesn't and they will still get the same 3 computers.

Now see, right there you appear to be grossly over-estimating your "loss".

There's no way you spent over a million gold on horses that are now obsolete. You'd have had to buy 24 horses at 42,700 to hit the 1 million mark. Keep in mind that you can't count the first horse of each type that you bought, because a new player still has to buy it at least once if they want the skin. So you'd have had to buy 27 horses. Unless you have multiple accounts, that's more horses than anyone could possibly need.

If you honestly have purchased THAT many horses, then you must either have so much money that you are pooping gold coins in the game (in which case, you likely already have anything you could possibly want to spend gold on, and hence, don't need the "compensation" you are crying for), or you horribly failed to properly prioritize where you spent your gold, in which case you don't deserve to get any of it back.

although i do not agree that people should not get a refund, i would have to disagree. it is very possible that someone spends a mill on horses. figure 3 horses per toon over 8 toons and haveing to feed all of them to max level. so 8x3=24, 24x42700=1024800. then feeding 250x 50=12500, 12500x24=300000. 1024800+300000=1324800. (hope my math is right lol)

You can't count the feedings. At least, not all of them -- only redundant stats. This is something I think a lot of people are failing to realize. The feedings still have to happen. You can't get to 60, 60, 60 on a new character without spending ( 250 * 60 * 3 ) = 45,000 gold. Per character.

The only money that ends up being "wasted" is the 42,700 spent on the base horses, after the first of each type (which a new player would still need to buy to get the skin). And as others have pointed out, you can't even count all of that, since it's still getting you an extra 10 stat points up front (worth 2500 gold), so basically, you can only count 40,200 per horse. Also, if you have more than one horse with the same stats, on the same character that gold was wasted too. But IMO, you already wasted that gold when you made a redundant horse.

Ultimately, anyone complaining about this to the point of demanding compensation loses my respect for one very important reason:

You are suffering NO LOSS. Nothing is being taken away from you. You are just bent out of shape because other people are being given something you paid for.

I'm sorry, but while you can feel free to be irked about it, your are being ridiculous if you feel entitled to any form of compensation.

But Kelly didn't. From page 2 of this very thread:

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I have 8 black 8 white and 2 or more of various other horses. That is over 1 million gold. If you think that is petty you need to rethink life.

As I said, can't count the first of each type. 7 + 7 + 2 = 16. 16 * 40,200 = 643,200.

While a decent amount of gold, it's not "over a million".

yes i also made this point earlier in the forum. also that the white horses dont count cause they are imperial. again, i am only saying that it is very possible for a person to have spent over a mil. in fact, many of my guild mates have done just that.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

But Kelly didn't. From page 2 of this very thread:

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I have 8 black 8 white and 2 or more of various other horses. That is over 1 million gold. If you think that is petty you need to rethink life.

As I said, can't count the first of each type. 7 + 7 + 2 = 16. 16 * 40,200 = 643,200.

While a decent amount of gold, it's not "over a million".

Now add in reading comprehension and observe the words or more which indicates 3 - 7 of some horse types. e.g. 6 Pinto horses and 5 Light Brown horses.

Sorry. I don't generally think of "2 or more" as being equivalent to "eleven".

It appears some players see the change in the way mounts are managed as some kind of "taking away" from them something that they had, while giving those nefarious, undeserving "new" or "cheap" players who either weren't around or didn't feel the need to spend a lot of gold on mounts, something they shouldn't have. I know there are strong feelings on this topic, especially on the part of those who somehow feel that ZOS is "cheating" them, but maybe I can point out a few things that can ease the pain without sounding patronizing or, at the very least, missing the point.

1. If you purchased one horse for one character, or 3 horses for 8 characters (I can't imagine people buying more than that for any real reason other than doubling it to play on both NA and EU megaservers) prior to 1.6, you received what you purchased, from 1 to 24 mounts in the example I gave. And whether you spent 1g for one horse, or ~42k gold each for 24 horses, you received what you purchased, you got the use of what you purchased, and you will continue to get the use of what you purchased. That part won't change. No one is taking that away from anyone, since all players will still have access to what they've purchased.

2. ZOS, being the great company that it is, has listened to its membership. For the past year, we’ve been asking for them to make mounts and pets accountwide, so thanks for listening; we got what we asked for. With 1.6, all of our mounts and pets are accountwide, meaning we no longer have to continue making unnecessary mount purchases. It might have happened before you bought yours, but for some of you, it didn’t. Even so, you still aren’t losing out.

3. Those who previously purchased multiple mounts had the option to train all mounts at the same time, but with 1.6 that will no longer be the case. If you wanted to train one each in speed, stamina and carrying capacity, all you needed to do was buy enough horses and enough stable space and you could happily max 3 horses in no more than 50 days. Again referring to my maximum example above of 3 horses for 8 characters, that player now not only has a mount of his choice (of the ones he has purchased) on any and all of his 8 characters (same as everyone else), but since the training was conducted on all of his horses—and mount training is transferred to the character in 1.6—that player also has the benefit of ALL THREE of the training benefits on every character riding any mount, even mounts yet to be purchased. No one else will have this benefit, since they either didn’t train multiple horses on multiple characters, or just weren’t around to do it. And what’s even more sad for these people is that, since training has been transferred to the characters, they only have the option to train their characters in one area each day. This means that all characters not already maxed out will take 150 days to train in 50 slots for each of the three areas. And since ZOS is increasing the maximum training slots, it will take longer than that.

4. How any player chooses to spend his money or gold is his own choice. The items are there for the use of the players, and obviously those who spend more in one area see more value in that area. A player who purchased 3 mounts for 8 characters obviously saw (gold) value in having the benefits those mounts offered his characters for his playstyle and in-game affluence. Another character could have seen similar (money) value in the same way, either purchasing the $15 mount or the Imperial Edition upgrade. This player would have gotten much the same benefits while spending no more than 24g in game. He would also have had to train multiple horses in the same manner, and would have been able to do so at the same . This player also will no longer be able to train multiple horse traits at once with 1.6. The key here is each player purchased something of value, whether through gold or money, and received value from it that is not being taken away.

5. The most-repeated sticking point I see in many of the complaints associated with this issue seems to be that new players will have “free” access to what long-term players have spent so much time and gold to obtain, just because they will start playing the game after this change takes place. Above, I’ve already mentioned some of the drawbacks associated with joining ESO this late. But what new players definitely won’t have access to is the ability to go back and play under the pre-1.6 rules and get the benefits that we long-term players have been enjoying for months. They won’t be able to get a mount that is already trained, because they weren’t here to train it. They won’t be able to train a character’s mounts in multiple areas, because they weren’t here when that was possible. They won’t have the Senche mount that’s coming FREE for players with 300 paid days by 3/16/2015, because they don’t have a time machine to bring them back so that it’s possible. Regardless of all of these points, it really doesn’t matter what anyone else gets, as long as it’s available to others who are playing at the same time and they meet the same criteria.

I didn’t post this to add Rough Nightwood to the flames, so I hope readers can take this in the spirit in which I’ve written it. If you honestly feel wronged by this transition, then I seriously recommend that you look to other outlets for entertainment. All MMOs go through changes. If they didn’t, people would get bored and stop playing. The fact that ZOS has listened to our requests—and delivered—makes me want to stay. Thanks for reading.

@charlmgn/@CadwellsGhost

MorHawk wrote: »

Sheuib wrote: »

Keep at it and maybe you can start complaining about the time spent on this forum too.

This. My favorite part though is the the thrice-repeated injunction that only those who are complaining should get compensated. Without even a trace of hyperbole, such a policy would shut this game down. Hard. Brain, meet mouth (or fingers in this case). Might be an idea to get acquainted.

@MorHawk , @Sheuib , you do realize that someone who has been on the forums a shorter amount of time with the same level of complaint has a clear advantage over those that have complained more for longer, right?

I think, to be fair, since the gold seems to be the key issue that is brought up (and the time as it relates to collecting the gold)...I think OP should get a full refund.

Full refund, start with no horses, and then you have your $1,000,000,000 "advantage" over the new players you're so insistent is there. (We'll even refund your feed costs.)

There is no act of logic that is going to make this ring true. I commend the efforts of everyone here who has tried to spell it out.

EDIT: ZoS, please roll back the /played value to compensate for the "time lost," as well.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

In spite of your insidious attempts to mock my lost pay time I continue to expect a full refund for horses that I paid for that will become redundant. Thanks ZoS.

No some people just don't care as much about losing a little extra cash for the big picture of the game. Also, now people with 3 horses don't need to train for the full amount of days which would amount to almost a half years worth of work.