Multiple horses of the same type

Erock25

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Inco wrote: »

I'm confused. Are the NEW stats a combination of account wide horse training points?

I've seen the PTS and how we now show the three variables for horses, but I didn't see how it handled my account.

If I've trained a mount to SPEED on one character (max) and STAMINA on a couple horses for a different character are they all combined?

@Inco , let me see if I can clear this up once and for all, including the explanation for everyone else about why you're really not losing the money you think you are.

• First, any character that had one or more horses pre-1.6 will still have at least one horse for that character.
• If they were different kinds (visually), you will have access to the different skins, just as you do now.
• Your other horse money does not need to be refunded, as you will still have your investment come 1.6. In fact, it will be an even better horse than it was in 1.5.
• Your investment in multiple horses per character, presumably for speed, stamina, and capacity will be merged into any mount you use from that point on. Your horse will be all it was, plus more.
• This will vary by character, via riding skill, the same as it currently varies by character via different horses.
• The only way you have lost money is if you have leveled a hybrid horse (1/2 speed, 1/2 stamina, for instance), along with a full speed and/or full stamina horse.

Riding skill (Feedings in 1.5) are character based, just as the horses are.

For the complaints about $ lost , you are saving from 12,500g - 37,500g on any future mount, as they will automatically get these stats.

Your $'s not gone. It's simply been moved from 3 shoe boxes to one shoe box. Feel free to count it, it's all still there.

The problem people have is that the reason to spend 42k or whatever it was on the SPECIAL mount (aka a mount with a 10 point bonus in any stat) was that they could reach a higher max stat because of this. No matter how often you fed your regular horse the speed food, the speed horse would reach a higher maximum. This bonus is now gone and you can keep feeding your horse (no reaching level 50 and being max level anymore and therefore no more upgrades) until they reach max in each stat category so therefore that 42k was all wasted besides the fact that you didn't have to pay for those 10 feedings.

Inco

So... if I go buy 3 hours with my 10g each imperial edition on Character #2 and FEED them say STAMINA for the next xx days.

Then those Stamina go into my account wide "riding skills" then?

I've two bought today with one being mostly 10g with max Cargo and one Fast Horse with max SPEED (Like 75%).

I'm trying to see if I can make my life easier prior to 1.6 releasing.

Erock25

Inco wrote: »

So... if I go buy 3 hours with my 10g each imperial edition on Character #2 and FEED them say STAMINA for the next xx days.

Then those Stamina go into my account wide "riding skills" then?

I've two bought today with one being mostly 10g with max Cargo and one Fast Horse with max SPEED (Like 75%).

I'm trying to see if I can make my life easier prior to 1.6 releasing.

I don't think your riding skill is account wide. It has to be per character but I may be wrong. Also, it is only based upon whatever mount has the highest of any particular skill. So if it is per character, and that character already has a horse with 40 stamina, buying another 10g horse and feeding him stamina will do nothing.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

I have 8 black 8 white and 2 or more of various other horses. That is over 1 million gold. If you think that is petty you need to rethink life.

bowmanz607

ummmm. first 8 white...that is imperial edition and cost 1 gold. so that is less then half a mill assuming your "various horses" are not brown which would put you under 400k. and over the course of almost a year. ya 400k is not that much at all. regardless, you its not like you paid for something you couldn't use for the course of that year. im not saying it doesnt suck. im saying huge changes were coming and we all knew huge changes were going to happen. that means losing things you have spent money on. including gear. again, 6 months from now this will be an after thought.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

It's much more than 400k. I said 2 or MORE and yes 400k is not trivial no matter how much time it took to make it.

bowmanz607

heck im spending 200k at least just on potions in a month. that doesn't include gear (i like to switch it up a lot), food, and whatever else i may need for the month.

Sheuib

So you are crying about play money in a game. You must have a really good life if this is such a big deal to you. Enjoy.

Sheuib

What are you going to do when you finally quite the game? Demand compensation for all the time spent playing it? lol.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

bowmanz607 wrote: »

heck im spending 200k at least just on potions in a month. that doesn't include gear (i like to switch it up a lot), food, and whatever else i may need for the month.

So that's 5 months worth of potions, its far from a petty thing.

Sheuib wrote: »

What are you going to do when you finally quite the game? Demand compensation for all the time spent playing it? lol.

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

Sheuib

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

heck im spending 200k at least just on potions in a month. that doesn't include gear (i like to switch it up a lot), food, and whatever else i may need for the month.

So that's 5 months worth of potions, its far from a petty thing.

Sheuib wrote: »

What are you going to do when you finally quite the game? Demand compensation for all the time spent playing it? lol.

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

It's time spent playing a game. The value is in the entertainment of playing the game. Therefore, you got the value afforded by playing the game. At some point you will stop playing the game and all will be lost. If you want something more valuable for your time then do something that makes real money. However, if you insist on being upset over fake money go right ahead. Don't let me interrupt your misery.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Sheuib wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

heck im spending 200k at least just on potions in a month. that doesn't include gear (i like to switch it up a lot), food, and whatever else i may need for the month.

So that's 5 months worth of potions, its far from a petty thing.

Sheuib wrote: »

What are you going to do when you finally quite the game? Demand compensation for all the time spent playing it? lol.

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

It's time spent playing a game. The value is in the entertainment of playing the game. Therefore, you got the value afforded by playing the game. At some point you will stop playing the game and all will be lost. If you want something more valuable for your time then do something that makes real money. However, if you insist on being upset over fake money go right ahead. Don't let me interrupt your misery.

It's time wasted getting something that is being taken away. Since you don't find value in it how about just sending me 1 mill gold since its petty and means nothing to you.

bowmanz607

ok well i want my money back for the armor i lost when they went from v10 to v12. i want my money back for the armor i lost going from v12 to v14. I want my money back for the the future change that will mess with my armor. i want my money back for the ingredients that wont be used in 1.6. i want my money back for.... get the picture. change happens. you cant ask them to track every dollar that everyone has ever spent and just give it back for every change that happens to the game. MMO's evolve and change. with that comes losses and gains. no 1 mill gold is not petty all at once. but over the course of the game it is petty. this is about the big picture not refunding every dollar you ever spent over the course of the year. I am going to assume you are an avid player of the game because you bought so many horses and had the money to do so. so you should also know that it is not to difficult to get 42k in a single day. so you spent a day to get a horse you wanted and were able to use it for how long. that is really not so bad. What i am annoyed with is so many people thinking that they are entitled to something every time a change happens in a game that requires a different approach to the game. you still get to use your horse the same way. in fact, think of it this way you paid all that gold to get a horse that you never have to switch out for another one. plus, you still get all the benefits of that you would normally have. nothing really changes other than the fact that people want something in return for the evolution of the game. come on.

Divinius

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

Nothing is getting "taken away" from you. You'll still have access to everything you had before, and more. You aren't losing anything, and are therefore not entitled to compensation.

What is happening is that others are gaining access to things they did not have before, for free, and you are simply annoyed that you paid for things that are now being given to others for free.

Big difference there.

Volkodav

baratron wrote: »

I'm mildly annoyed, but I bought my first "fancy" horse back in May, and my most recent one in November. I can't really argue that I should get a refund on a horse I've been using for months .

If people have multiple horses of the same type, then they could sell their duplicate horses back at the Stable before 1.6 goes live. They won't get back the cost of the feedings, but at least they'll get back the initial 42k gold outlay. This won't work, however, if you need to use those expensive horses to get your 50 points of Speed, Stamina, and Carrying on each character. (Although read this, there may be a bug with horse stats.)

Then again... I'm a little uncertain why someone is so upset to have lost in-game money. I've chosen to spend my gold on all sorts of rubbish, such as spending 45k gold on an Imperial Motif because I couldn't be bothered to look for one or the, uh, 28k gold I spent on a blue Level 23 Signet of the Warlock. If you've had the horse for months and your characters have had the use of the horse all this time, why do you expect to get a refund now?

If it upsets you that much, then sell all but one of each expensive horse now and buy an Imperial or Palamino horse to train in each stat. You'll get back the 42k that the expensive horses cost, lose the 12250 gold that you spent training them to Level 50, and have to spend another 12250 gold training the 1 gold horse to Level 50. Still, you'll make back about half of what you would have "lost" if you waited until 1.6 went Live.

When I sold back my 42k Pinto,I only got 4,200,00 back for it,losing all the rest of my money.

Kingdinguhling

I would imagine she yells at her shadow for following her around to much too.

this is really petty and things change and also I doubt you are loosing anything. from what I understand your still gonna have 8 accounts with 8 riding skills that are completely capped out.

Is the riding skill from your highest horse account wide or is it just for that one character?

Elder_III

Your Riding Skill is per Character, it is not Account Wide. Your Horses that you already own, or any Mounts that you purchase in the future will be Account Wide and you can ride them on any character you have, but the stats will be determined by the Rider, not the Mount.

xaade

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

It's time wasted getting something that is being taken away. Since you don't find value in it how about just sending me 1 mill gold since its petty and means nothing to you.

I wonder where the welfare people are going to go once the government collapses from overspending.

Oh, I'm sorry, that's a real problem.

Back on topic.

I wonder where you are going to go for compensation once ZOS finally closes its server.

MorHawk

Just to re-emphasize a point, a quote from the 1.6 patch notes:
"The highest upgrade each player character has achieved with their mounts will be transferred into progress on your riding skills."
Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1506153/#Comment_1506153

So certain folks *cough*Kelly*cough* can stop throwing around hyperbolic numbers around, as if you have a horse for each character, that will provide the benefit for each character.

Keepercraft

I want crafting my horses, improve and change color of them.

rotaugen454

After the announcement of how riding skills would work, I made sure each character had 3 horses. I named them Speed, Stamina, and Cargo. I leveled each in their stat every day. When the new system kicks in, I will have taken each stat as high as I can in the time allowed. Before this, I simply maxed speed on each horse, so those were done anyway. Why would you buy two horses for the same character and max the same stat? Just because you wanted a different looking horse with the same stat. You aren't losing that, you will still have it in the new system.

Slurg

Divinius wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

Nothing is getting "taken away" from you. You'll still have access to everything you had before, and more. You aren't losing anything, and are therefore not entitled to compensation.

What is happening is that others are gaining access to things they did not have before, for free, and you are simply annoyed that you paid for things that are now being given to others for free.

Big difference there.

To be fair I can see how some people would see this as a loss. Let's say theoretically that person A (maybe this is Kelly's situation) likes black horses and chooses to drop 42k 8 times so all of her characters can ride a black horse. Let's say person B (Slurg) likes black horses too but is cheap and prefers to hoard her gold instead so she buys cheap horses for all of her characters. The 1.6 announcement comes out and Slurg says woo-hoo, now I can buy one black horse and all my characters can ride it and I get to keep all that gold I hoarded! But it would be a fair reaction for Kelly or anyone else in that situation to be disappointed they spent all that money when they didn't really need to in the long run. Yes people who bought the extra horses get the benefit of having used those horses over the past 10 months or however long, and they will get the riding stats transferred to each character, but a couple months from now with daily training we'll all have the same riding stats but people who didn't buy multiples of the premium horses will have spent a lot less gold.

rotaugen454

I thought that I saw the riding skills will go up to 60 or 70. If you bought the special mount and maxed it on speed, you would be 10 ahead of people who maxed speed on an Imperial. So you do still get a bonus for the expensive mount. You save 10 days of raising riding skill. Is that worth 42K. Not to me, but neither was the 10 extra speed to begin with.

Faugaun

bowmanz607 wrote: »

ok well i want my money back for the armor i lost when they went from v10 to v12. i want my money back for the armor i lost going from v12 to v14. I want my money back for the the future change that will mess with my armor. i want my money back for the ingredients that wont be used in 1.6. i want my money back for.... get the picture. change happens. you cant ask them to track every dollar that everyone has ever spent and just give it back for every change that happens to the game. MMO's evolve and change. with that comes losses and gains. no 1 mill gold is not petty all at once. but over the course of the game it is petty. this is about the big picture not refunding every dollar you ever spent over the course of the year. I am going to assume you are an avid player of the game because you bought so many horses and had the money to do so. so you should also know that it is not to difficult to get 42k in a single day. so you spent a day to get a horse you wanted and were able to use it for how long. that is really not so bad. What i am annoyed with is so many people thinking that they are entitled to something every time a change happens in a game that requires a different approach to the game. you still get to use your horse the same way. in fact, think of it this way you paid all that gold to get a horse that you never have to switch out for another one. plus, you still get all the benefits of that you would normally have. nothing really changes other than the fact that people want something in return for the evolution of the game. come on.

I'd like to know how to get 42k in one day feeding 18 horses a day is expensive to me and this would help a lot

rotaugen454

So someone who bought a computer for $3000 and used it for a year should be able to go back to the store and demand a refund when someone can come in and buy the same computer for $1500 now? People who bought all these horses used them. Now that it will be cheaper, it doesn't mean you are owed a refund.

Faugaun

rotaugen454 wrote: »

After the announcement of how riding skills would work, I made sure each character had 3 horses. I named them Speed, Stamina, and Cargo. I leveled each in their stat every day. When the new system kicks in, I will have taken each stat as high as I can in the time allowed. Before this, I simply maxed speed on each horse, so those were done anyway. Why would you buy two horses for the same character and max the same stat? Just because you wanted a different looking horse with the same stat. You aren't losing that, you will still have it in the new system.

Me 2

Slurg wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not quitting the game, I am having items taken away from me without my permission. In game gold represents time, if you can't see the value of time...

Nothing is getting "taken away" from you. You'll still have access to everything you had before, and more. You aren't losing anything, and are therefore not entitled to compensation.

What is happening is that others are gaining access to things they did not have before, for free, and you are simply annoyed that you paid for things that are now being given to others for free.

Big difference there.

To be fair I can see how some people would see this as a loss. Let's say theoretically that person A (maybe this is Kelly's situation) likes black horses and chooses to drop 42k 8 times so all of her characters can ride a black horse. Let's say person B (Slurg) likes black horses too but is cheap and prefers to hoard her gold instead so she buys cheap horses for all of her characters. The 1.6 announcement comes out and Slurg says woo-hoo, now I can buy one black horse and all my characters can ride it and I get to keep all that gold I hoarded! But it would be a fair reaction for Kelly or anyone else in that situation to be disappointed they spent all that money when they didn't really need to in the long run. Yes people who bought the extra horses get the benefit of having used those horses over the past 10 months or however long, and they will get the riding stats transferred to each character, but a couple months from now with daily training we'll all have the same riding stats but people who didn't buy multiples of the premium horses will have spent a lot less gold.

So the problem is that someone post 1.6 can pay 42k gold and get 8 identical skins but previous adopters had to spend 42k per character for that benefit...perhaps the best soultion is to refund all horse purchase prices after riding skills are converted then people can buy the account wide skins they want after that.

This way a person gets benefit from the feedings, everyone is at equal footing and no one is getting screwed out of gold....I also kinda think stall purchase fees should be returned....

That said I only use cheapo horses and only have 3 stalls per character so I'm only losing 6*1102 gold ...not much and I'm not worried about it...but 400k I would be a little pissed about. Yeah you can say well he got to use the horse for 10 months prior to this...but seriously what did he gain for 10 months? A different color horse...yeah he cared enough to pay the price so he really cares about the extra 10 stat points and/or the color but it is likely that he had no idea that the value of his purchase would be reduced when he made the purchase....

It's like you buying a house only to find out a year later that its infested with termites and your insurance policy doesn't cover termite damage ....

Katava

Maybe you should have bought fewer horses with your virtual monies that you earn gallons of in a few hours of game play each day. Jus' sayin.

Eldarth

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I have 8 black 8 white and 2 or more of various other horses. That is over 1 million gold. If you think that is petty you need to rethink life.

Not enough information.

How many horses and what stats on EACH character as riding skill is aggregated per character.

For instance, is that 1 black and 1 white on each of 8 characters?
If so, then both horses just gained the other horses stats and you just got 2 stats for every 1 purchased so perhaps you should pay for those alternate stats.

bowmanz607

Farming motifs and selling pve, pvp, and crafted gear.

Merlin13KAGL

Erock25 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Inco wrote: »

I'm confused. Are the NEW stats a combination of account wide horse training points?

I've seen the PTS and how we now show the three variables for horses, but I didn't see how it handled my account.

If I've trained a mount to SPEED on one character (max) and STAMINA on a couple horses for a different character are they all combined?

@Inco , let me see if I can clear this up once and for all, including the explanation for everyone else about why you're really not losing the money you think you are.

• First, any character that had one or more horses pre-1.6 will still have at least one horse for that character.
• If they were different kinds (visually), you will have access to the different skins, just as you do now.
• Your other horse money does not need to be refunded, as you will still have your investment come 1.6. In fact, it will be an even better horse than it was in 1.5.
• Your investment in multiple horses per character, presumably for speed, stamina, and capacity will be merged into any mount you use from that point on. Your horse will be all it was, plus more.
• This will vary by character, via riding skill, the same as it currently varies by character via different horses.
• The only way you have lost money is if you have leveled a hybrid horse (1/2 speed, 1/2 stamina, for instance), along with a full speed and/or full stamina horse.

Riding skill (Feedings in 1.5) are character based, just as the horses are.

For the complaints about $ lost , you are saving from 12,500g - 37,500g on any future mount, as they will automatically get these stats.

Your $'s not gone. It's simply been moved from 3 shoe boxes to one shoe box. Feel free to count it, it's all still there.

The problem people have is that the reason to spend 42k or whatever it was on the SPECIAL mount (aka a mount with a 10 point bonus in any stat) was that they could reach a higher max stat because of this. No matter how often you fed your regular horse the speed food, the speed horse would reach a higher maximum. This bonus is now gone and you can keep feeding your horse (no reaching level 50 and being max level anymore and therefore no more upgrades) until they reach max in each stat category so therefore that 42k was all wasted besides the fact that you didn't have to pay for those 10 feedings.

@Erock25 , understood. I get it that it sucks to have paid 42k for +10 of a stat (which is what it translates too).

The only good news I can offer in this regard is that the riding skills now go up to 60, so you can get it back. It's gonna take 30 days, and you have to pay for it again, but at least it's attainable.