olemanwinter wrote: »

On PTS testing, ALL of my characters had a riding speed that equaled the highest stat that had been achieved by ANY character.

Example for clarification:

MR TOON 1 - Had a horse at 50 stamina, and 20 speed on live.

MR TOON 2 - Had a horse at 20 stamina, and 50 speed on live.

ON PTS: ALL CHARACTERS had a horse of 50 stamina, and 50 speed.

This was the case in every character copy I experienced on the PTS. I believe, (and will update with link when I find it) confirmed by @Zos employees.

Now suddenly, the "knowledge base" reads:

"For pre-Update 6 mounts, the highest upgrade EACH character has achieved with THEIR mounts will be transferred into progress on THEIR riding skills."

This does not reflect the PTS. It does not reflect the information that most of us used to buy and feed horses.


@Zos is this a typographical error? Is this a known issue? Or was this just decided on a whim?

I'm sure I'm not the only person who is significantly poorer for having tried to act based on what we saw in the PTS and now very upset.

Wow if this is true thats a huge kick in the teeth and 10's of thousands wasted in gold for a lot of players. Can anyone confirm?

I thought it was pretty clear that if you wanted to have 50 on each stat on a character you would need that character to have 3 horses, each with a different stat maxed. The horses are shared, stats are not.

I was always under the impression it would be on a per character basis. I personally set out to max out all three stats on all of my characters (succeeding on pack space and speed, stamina being slightly off max) due to this.

The behaviour on the PTS isn't always how it will be on the live client, they do things to make testing a bit easier on PTS, perhaps the horses were one of these things?

Sorry OP. This is working as intended. They told us this is how it would work and it seems like you were just mistaken.

Each of my characters has three horses maxed to 50 in their respective skill.
So, OP is saying that all that feeding and time should have been wasted, and that I should be no better off than someone who's trained only the horses for a single character?
Interesting idea, and to be honest, I personally wouldn't complain if they do that (it'd be to my advantage for any future characters I create), but not the approach I'd pick, just because people *would* whine.
For now though, I'm at 3% download...

I read up on this beforehand, and what you are describing is exactly what we were told would happen (even if it isn't what happened on PTS).
I'm pretty pissed at ZOS right now for screwing up this whole patching business, but what you have here is your misunderstanding not an issue of misinformation.

MSchroeder wrote: »

3. “What if I have lots of mounts? What if I spread the stats around on them all?”

You’ll still have access to all the visuals of those mounts via the Collections menu. If even one of your characters owns a Light Horse, for instance, then all of your characters can choose to apply that visual to their mount at any time.

As stated before, though, only the maximum of each of the three stats, from all of a character’s mounts, will be brought over to your new riding skill. When the changeover happens, each character’s riding skill is determined independently, based only on the stats of that particular character’s mounts.

It's not a matter of "ZO can do no wrong," so much as a matter of people reading things incorrectly.

yeah this was pretty clear to me.. not seeing the issue. if u had 2 dk toons and one had a SKILL LINE level 50 u expect your alts SKILL line to be level 50 as well?

farrier_ESO wrote: »

Each of my characters has three horses maxed to 50 in their respective skill.
So, OP is saying that all that feeding and time should have been wasted, and that I should be no better off than someone who's trained only the horses for a single character?
Interesting idea, and to be honest, I personally wouldn't complain if they do that (it'd be to my advantage for any future characters I create), but not the approach I'd pick, just because people *would* whine.
For now though, I'm at 3% download...

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's the way it was in the PTS and the way virtually everyone on this forum understood it to be. So we acted on it.

But there were a few "We have 3 maxed horses on each character" around QQing about it, and so I guess Zos listened.

EDIT: I'm also almost positive it was explained as such by a Zos employee at one point and I'm looking now for that link.

Maybe they changed their mind..Er, obviously they changed their mind. But it was this way on the PTS and on the forum.

olemanwinter wrote: »

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's the way it was in the PTS and the way virtually everyone on this forum understood it to be. So we acted on it.

I'm not sure if you noticed but much more of the people in this thread thought it would be on a per character basis. This is the first I've even heard of the idea of it being account wide - I never played on the PTS, my internet just isn't fast enough for me to download it, it'll take me several days to just download this patch - But I read the forums a lot and never had the impression it would be account wide.

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

olemanwinter wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

Doesn't really matter. The 1.6 PST notes have already been linked, and you can reread them -- in *none* of the notes is it *ever* mentioned that advancement in riding skill was account wide. The only time "account wide" was used in relation to horses/riding skill is in relation to the mounts being transferred to collections. Here's the blurb from 1.6 (it's identical in 1.6.5):

The highest upgrade each player character has achieved with their mounts will be transferred into progress on your riding skills.
If you have three different mounts with 50 points of upgrades in speed, stamina, and capacity respectively, you will have those same benefits with your riding skill.
Additionally, every different mount on existing accounts will be transferred into the Collection system, which is available on all your characters. If there is a specific type of mount that you haven't yet acquired, they will still be available at the stable.

Could that have been worded better? You bet, but talking about what you perceive what "most" people understood it as, and what the live behavior is are two different things...and this thread isn't exactly proving your point, as damn near every one else in here knew it to be specific to each character (myself included).

olemanwinter wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1586989#Comment_1586989

Just doing this one since it happens to be my own post and it's the easiest to get to on short notice. Use the search function for the others, or as stated above patch notes.

Granted it took me awhile to figure out how the horses were going to work, but once I did I started leveling horses in each stat on all my toons. Been telling everyone that asked the question that horses would be just skins accessible to all characters on the account and that the riding skill was individual to each character.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147296/question-about-mounts-and-new-riding-skill

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149606/riding-skill-question

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149219/riding-skill-question

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1594852#Comment_1594852

olemanwinter wrote: »

Yes riding skills were character specific on the PTS, but the level of those skills was predetermined by the highest stat on ANY of your horses ACCOUNT WIDE.

No, they were not.