Quite upset about horses

olemanwinter

Blaa blaa blaaa. Zos edited all my comments. So, blaa blaa blaa.

Please feel free to insult me, tell me to quit, or anything else you like. I won't be able to reply

Apparently demanding that people quote you directly when they falsely accuse you of writing things you never did is rude.

Probably a lesson to be learned here about the future of threads that have a negative slant now that it's gone B2P and not sub based.

Oh well, blaa blaa blaa.

Troneon

olemanwinter wrote: »

On PTS testing, ALL of my characters had a riding speed that equaled the highest stat that had been achieved by ANY character.

Example for clarification:

MR TOON 1 - Had a horse at 50 stamina, and 20 speed on live.

MR TOON 2 - Had a horse at 20 stamina, and 50 speed on live.

ON PTS: ALL CHARACTERS had a horse of 50 stamina, and 50 speed.

This was the case in every character copy I experienced on the PTS. I believe, (and will update with link when I find it) confirmed by @Zos employees.

Now suddenly, the "knowledge base" reads:

"For pre-Update 6 mounts, the highest upgrade EACH character has achieved with THEIR mounts will be transferred into progress on THEIR riding skills."

This does not reflect the PTS. It does not reflect the information that most of us used to buy and feed horses.


@Zos is this a typographical error? Is this a known issue? Or was this just decided on a whim?

I'm sure I'm not the only person who is significantly poorer for having tried to act based on what we saw in the PTS and now very upset.

Wow if this is true thats a huge kick in the teeth and 10's of thousands wasted in gold for a lot of players. Can anyone confirm?

deleted221205-002626

Im not seeing yur issue... If im not mistaken the new description = 50stam and 50speed on yur riding skill

Gidorick

I thought it was pretty clear that if you wanted to have 50 on each stat on a character you would need that character to have 3 horses, each with a different stat maxed. The horses are shared, stats are not.

Bookwyrm

Ugh, I was afraid this would happen, but I'm not surprised.

Vahn

I was always under the impression it would be on a per character basis. I personally set out to max out all three stats on all of my characters (succeeding on pack space and speed, stamina being slightly off max) due to this.

The behaviour on the PTS isn't always how it will be on the live client, they do things to make testing a bit easier on PTS, perhaps the horses were one of these things?

Feidam

How it is working is live is how they said it work n live. Nothing new or hidden about it.

DirtySmeegs33

Sorry OP. This is working as intended. They told us this is how it would work and it seems like you were just mistaken.

olemanwinter

Feidam wrote: »

How it is working is live is how they said it work n live. Nothing new or hidden about it.

Ugh, this is April 2014 all over again. A whole new round of Zos defenders and Zos "can do no wrong" types telling everyone they are being unreasonable.

I guess it will be a whole new round of surpise when it goes F2P.

Zos has gotten the last $ from me. EVER.

The vast majority of people on these boards understood the riding system to mean that the max stat account wide would be applied to each character. Just do a search! And PTS REFLECTED THE SAME!

farrier_ESO

Each of my characters has three horses maxed to 50 in their respective skill.
So, OP is saying that all that feeding and time should have been wasted, and that I should be no better off than someone who's trained only the horses for a single character?
Interesting idea, and to be honest, I personally wouldn't complain if they do that (it'd be to my advantage for any future characters I create), but not the approach I'd pick, just because people *would* whine.
For now though, I'm at 3% download...

olemanwinter

michaelpatterson wrote: »

Im not seeing yur issue... If im not mistaken the new description = 50stam and 50speed on yur riding skill

No, that's the way it was on PTS. That's not the way it is on live now.

Mr TOON 1 and Mr TOON 2 only have their individual respective states.

malthol

I read up on this beforehand, and what you are describing is exactly what we were told would happen (even if it isn't what happened on PTS).
I'm pretty pissed at ZOS right now for screwing up this whole patching business, but what you have here is your misunderstanding not an issue of misinformation.

LonePirate

I don't understand the outrage here. Riding skills were character specific on the PTS. The skills appear on the Character screen after all. If you leveled one horse of each stat for each character, you are fine.

nerevarine1138

MSchroeder wrote: »

3. “What if I have lots of mounts? What if I spread the stats around on them all?”

You’ll still have access to all the visuals of those mounts via the Collections menu. If even one of your characters owns a Light Horse, for instance, then all of your characters can choose to apply that visual to their mount at any time.

As stated before, though, only the maximum of each of the three stats, from all of a character’s mounts, will be brought over to your new riding skill. When the changeover happens, each character’s riding skill is determined independently, based only on the stats of that particular character’s mounts.

It's not a matter of "ZO can do no wrong," so much as a matter of people reading things incorrectly.

Sandmanninja

my main has 3 horses, each is maxed out for each of the 3 stats.
Hopefully I'll be okay

Kronosphere

yeah this was pretty clear to me.. not seeing the issue. if u had 2 dk toons and one had a SKILL LINE level 50 u expect your alts SKILL line to be level 50 as well?

BBSooner

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

olemanwinter

farrier_ESO wrote: »

Each of my characters has three horses maxed to 50 in their respective skill.
So, OP is saying that all that feeding and time should have been wasted, and that I should be no better off than someone who's trained only the horses for a single character?
Interesting idea, and to be honest, I personally wouldn't complain if they do that (it'd be to my advantage for any future characters I create), but not the approach I'd pick, just because people *would* whine.
For now though, I'm at 3% download...

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's the way it was in the PTS and the way virtually everyone on this forum understood it to be. So we acted on it.

But there were a few "We have 3 maxed horses on each character" around QQing about it, and so I guess Zos listened.

EDIT: I'm also almost positive it was explained as such by a Zos employee at one point and I'm looking now for that link.

Maybe they changed their mind..Er, obviously they changed their mind. But it was this way on the PTS and on the forum.

danno8

Always assumed it was going to be this way.

That is why I have been leveling 1 speed, 1 stamina and 1 bag horse for each of my 4 characters (12 horses in total) for the last 6 weeks.

This is from 1.6PTS notes: "The highest upgrade each player character has achieved with their mounts will be transferred into progress on your riding skills."

It never said account wide.

Vahn

olemanwinter wrote: »

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's the way it was in the PTS and the way virtually everyone on this forum understood it to be. So we acted on it.

I'm not sure if you noticed but much more of the people in this thread thought it would be on a per character basis. This is the first I've even heard of the idea of it being account wide - I never played on the PTS, my internet just isn't fast enough for me to download it, it'll take me several days to just download this patch - But I read the forums a lot and never had the impression it would be account wide.

olemanwinter

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Always assumed it was going to be this way.

That is why I have been leveling 1 speed, 1 stamina and 1 bag horse for each of my 4 characters (12 horses in total) for the last 6 weeks.

This is from 1.6PTS notes: "The highest upgrade each player character has achieved with their mounts will be transferred into progress on your riding skills."

NOTICE the change of word "YOUR" to what I posed originally to "THEIR".

The highest funds balance of EACH familiy member with THEIR bank will be transfered into YOUR account

Um, yeah.

Now change the last work from "your" to "their" and it's a dramatically different sentence.

olemanwinter

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

olemanwinter

Vahn wrote: »

I'm not sure if you noticed but much more of the people in this thread thought it would be on a per character basis. This is the first I've even heard of the idea of it being account wide - I never played on the PTS

I have noticed that. It's launch all over again. It's as if the last 11 months never happened.

Go do a search and you will find almost every thread filled with almost every comment reflecting the same understanding I had.

Whatever. Totally over ESO. I'll keep playing until it goes P2W, but I'm done funding this.

ben_ESO5

olemanwinter wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

Doesn't really matter. The 1.6 PST notes have already been linked, and you can reread them -- in *none* of the notes is it *ever* mentioned that advancement in riding skill was account wide. The only time "account wide" was used in relation to horses/riding skill is in relation to the mounts being transferred to collections. Here's the blurb from 1.6 (it's identical in 1.6.5):

The highest upgrade each player character has achieved with their mounts will be transferred into progress on your riding skills.
If you have three different mounts with 50 points of upgrades in speed, stamina, and capacity respectively, you will have those same benefits with your riding skill.
Additionally, every different mount on existing accounts will be transferred into the Collection system, which is available on all your characters. If there is a specific type of mount that you haven't yet acquired, they will still be available at the stable.

Could that have been worded better? You bet, but talking about what you perceive what "most" people understood it as, and what the live behavior is are two different things...and this thread isn't exactly proving your point, as damn near every one else in here knew it to be specific to each character (myself included).

AssaultLemming

This is how I understood it. Each character has their own riding skill in the same way they have their own horses now.

BBSooner

olemanwinter wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I can recall multiple threads going over the whole " feed 3 horses on every character to prepare for 1.6" thing.

Please link them. Because every thread I find shows the vast majority of players understanding that top account stats would be carried over to all characters.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1586989#Comment_1586989

Just doing this one since it happens to be my own post and it's the easiest to get to on short notice. Use the search function for the others, or as stated above patch notes.

Syntse

Every char has their own riding skill, was even in PTS.

If I recall right the skill that is transferred is the highest skill per horse the char had. Meaning if you leveled your horse like 40 carry and 10 speed only the 40 carry will be taken. Case you have one horse with 50 carry and another one with 50 speed then those both will be in riding skill.

Yes there is possibility that one loses a little in case done "mix" horse.

Xendyn

Granted it took me awhile to figure out how the horses were going to work, but once I did I started leveling horses in each stat on all my toons. Been telling everyone that asked the question that horses would be just skins accessible to all characters on the account and that the riding skill was individual to each character.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147296/question-about-mounts-and-new-riding-skill

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149606/riding-skill-question

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149219/riding-skill-question

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1594852#Comment_1594852

olemanwinter

LonePirate wrote: »

I don't understand the outrage here. Riding skills were character specific on the PTS. The skills appear on the Character screen after all. If you leveled one horse of each stat for each character, you are fine.

Yes riding skills were character specific on the PTS, but the level of those skills was predetermined by the highest stat on ANY of your horses ACCOUNT WIDE.

stabbykitteh

olemanwinter wrote: »

Yes riding skills were character specific on the PTS, but the level of those skills was predetermined by the highest stat on ANY of your horses ACCOUNT WIDE.

No, they were not.

olemanwinter

stabbykitteh wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Yes riding skills were character specific on the PTS, but the level of those skills was predetermined by the highest stat on ANY of your horses ACCOUNT WIDE.

No, they were not.

Yes. They were.