What IF we could pay gold to change class like a respec?

Kronosphere · February 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

well the problem would be i imagine is unexpected synergies throughout class skills. have best skill of every class on your bar at once is not the same as being able to pick 1 class at a time

Sorry... maybe my post wasn't too clear.... I do NOT want there to be just one class so we are all just putting the same thing on our bar, I was just extrapolating the results of allowing people to change the class of their character whenever they felt like it....

My point is that if you can just change your class at will then the majority will just roll whichever class is strongest at that time... therefore having a similar effect... there will be far less diversity. Most people with the same class, & therefore the same FOTM build, & the same skills on their bar.

This would have a horrid effect on PvP thinking about it... it's already DK-tastic... imagine what it would be like if everybody could just flick a switch & become a DK.... The megaserver would take off with all those flappy wings going off at once!

haha yes indeed i think u are right ive got that on the cons list and i do think it is one of the bigger cons for sure!

AlnilamE · February 2015

All the pros you listed are cons to me.

I like playing different characters with different classes. I can't imagine any of them becoming something else...

Artis · February 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

After all.... if you could just change class when you liked, then what would be the point of having different characters?

People are asking for barber shops, change appearance, change race, change class... if they put ALL of these in then the point of different toons becomes a bit redundant.

I don't even think there should be different toons. It's a player who plays the game and completes the content, it's already a player who's in a guild, not a character. I just want to play one toon and experience EVERYTHING the game has to offer. That's exactly I quit wow and came to the game that positioned itself as TES game.. Because , you know, in TES games starting TES3 I was never punished for choosing a certain class, there were no restrictions, and if I want to try another "class" I didn't have TO REPEAT all the same quests to get to the point where I keep progressing. It's not fun.

Iluvrien · February 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Whilst I do understand your points... you are basically saying that you would be happy with a system where everybody was just rolling the FOTM class because that is what ZoS allowed.... all under the guise of being able to choose what you like, without repercussions & without any effort.

...then you do not understand my points.

My point was that this is how many people regard the situation. The concept of a character in and of itself, a personality that is part of the game world, or even pretty much anything except from Raid/PvP mechanics and class balance are entirely auxiliary concerns... things to be explored as and when people can be bothered but nothing integral to the experience in itself.

I am not happy with that way of playing because I believe it debases the effort that the designers, developers, writers etc. have actually gone to to produce this game for us. I am against the idea of class change in its entirety. Either there should be no classes, or a class choice should be meaningful and binding. I have a similar view about race selection (no racial passives or binding race selection).

...but since I am not so monumentally arrogant as to suggest my opinion should be a deciding factor in how other people play this game (even with regards to something I feel strongly about like this) I just thought I would lay out my understanding of the situation in the post you replied to.

Garwulf · February 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

well the problem would be i imagine is unexpected synergies throughout class skills. have best skill of every class on your bar at once is not the same as being able to pick 1 class at a time

Sorry... maybe my post wasn't too clear.... I do NOT want there to be just one class so we are all just putting the same thing on our bar, I was just extrapolating the results of allowing people to change the class of their character whenever they felt like it....

My point is that if you can just change your class at will then the majority will just roll whichever class is strongest at that time... therefore having a similar effect... there will be far less diversity. Most people with the same class, & therefore the same FOTM build, & the same skills on their bar.

This would have a horrid effect on PvP thinking about it... it's already DK-tastic... imagine what it would be like if everybody could just flick a switch & become a DK.... The megaserver would take off with all those flappy wings going off at once!

Well people are currently levelling Templars for PVP and 1.6 as Templars are supposedly going to be the new 'DK' whatever that means. .
I currently have a VR14 DK(main) and VR14 Sorc, a VR5 Templar and a VR2 Night blade. I would actually rather just one character and be able to change the class (not the race) . But soon it will not matter much to me which is op. I will just wheel out character of the month.

Grao · February 2015

Heh, Zenimax will never allow us to change classes. If they did, come 1.6 all sorcerers would simply move to being DKs or Templars.

No, right now it feels like ZoS is intentionally causing imbalance to force players to roll and go over leveling new characters, what other way they have to keep players interested in a game that hasn't seen or will see new content for months?

Fizzlewizzle · March 2015

I can understand people wanting to change their class, for one reason or the other.
You can reset your skill points, reset your attribute points, and in 1.6 even reset your Champion points. Turning from a Lightning mage (Sorcerer) to a Fire mage (Dragonknight) or a Light mage (Templar) is impossible however.

If you can do a complete 360 with your account current set-up i bet you also learn some new tricks.
Personally i would love to change my Argonian Templar to a Nightblade... Why? Because i have 1 complete skill tree that is pretty useless. Healing without doing damage (solo) is pretty much a ticket to death. I know Templars have Puncturing Sweep, but that would make the Restoring Light tree useless. At least NB can do damage and heal without making one of their trees absolute.

Templars aren't bad, far from to be honest... But as a healer i'm not really an "Up in your face" they character. Templar does push you towards that route. In Groups there isn't a single problem with them, but when i'm alone i much rather stay hidden, which does fit a NB more than a Templar.
(I'm also not much of a grinder, so doing all the quests again is the main reason i have never switched)

I do however think that IF such an option was available, that there should be some rules behind it.

The Cost:
It should be a decent price, not something you can do without much thought behind it.
Your class skills: Nothing should be leveled.
When you switch jobs (and back) your class skill levels should all be level 1 again, same with the level of the individual skills within them. You should be forced to level everything again.
(Everything besides your Class skill trees will remain unchanged)
A Cooldown:
You should be forced to wait a specific time (in-game or real life) before you would be allowed to change your class back/ again. No Class hopping or anything, You pick a new one, you will stay it for some time.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2015

I would rather them just open up other class skill lines once you have mastered your base class skill lines. I'm still hopeful Spellcrafting can do that.

Fizzlewizzle · March 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I would rather them just open up other class skill lines once you have mastered your base class skill lines. I'm still hopeful Spellcrafting can do that.

I personally think that that would be a bad idea. Limiting to one class only forces you to make choices. Getting all the best of every class wouldn't make it any fun.

(Everyone running with Templar Heals, DK protection, NB executes and Sorcerer Regen. Although it sounds nice its not something you would want to see)

Suru · March 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

So you'd be in favour of never allowing a respec at all I presume.

Thqt is completely different from changing class, switching faction or race. People have rerolled and made new characters on different factions and have put in alot of work doing so. If you want changes work for it. The only thing Im for is a race change for 1.6. Nothing more than that.

Tapio75 · March 2015

I would rather get rid of classes instead.

AssaultLemming · March 2015

I hope this never happens. It's better if people have to level their characters to learn how to play and so everyone isn't using the current fotm. Also the low level areas would become wasteland.

Iluvrien · March 2015

AssaultLemming wrote: »

I hope this never happens. It's better if people have to level their characters to learn how to play and so everyone isn't using the current fotm. Also the low level areas would become wasteland.

It has become clear to me that there is a certain portion of the population who believe that if they aren't playing FOTM then they are at a fundamental disadvantage and aren't really playing at all...

...yeah.