What IF we could pay gold to change class like a respec?

Kronosphere

If anyone has played dragons dogma you know what im talking about, you go to the bard and bam you now have a different skillset etc. not saying we should def do this but interested in what people have to say/think about the topic.

here are some pros and cons i can think of:
Pros
-More character progresion/things to unlock and work on etc
-More freedom, less restrictions
-Even slate for all characters
-No need to redo the campaign/vet areas on multiple characters
-If new classes released, character remains relevant
-unbalanced classes wont ruin your character
-no need for alts

Cons
-Everyone is the same
-flavour of the month/meta could make pvp a 1-2 class thing in certain periods
-players finding "the best build" could encourage a 1 class per role game
-since everything is available, could kill out of the box builds (why be a sorc/dk/nb healer if u can be a templar healer?)
-no need for alts



So feel free to post your thoughts and maybe even some of your own pros and cons. interested in what people have to say=)

Govalon

I would rather have this as an expensive cash shop feature so not everyone could change class easily.

TehMagnus

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

Artemiisia

Agree with TehMagnus on this, race and class, needs to stay fixed, and thats coming from a sorcerer thats going to level an new char, since im not going Zookeeper

Besides its probably will also be easier to get those CP leveling a new char in the end

Kronosphere

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

yup i agree on the decision part! it does deminish the whole choice thing alot and would make it a bit trivial. however can u tell me more about the lore breaking part? from morrowind/oblivion/skyrim ive been able to dump my armor and weapons and start doing something completely different without it being lore breaking. so just not sure how u mean on that one. do you mean since our character has technically trained off screen to be x class? orr?

dharbert

This is one of, if not the most, laughable ideas that I have ever seen on this forum.

Tandor

Totally wrong. I don't believe characters should be capable of being substantially changed other than in respect of the skill build and appearance things like hairstyle. Class and race should be fixed, along with gender and name - the latter because your reputation should stand. You want a new character? Create one, you have eight slots.

Kronosphere

dharbert wrote: »

This is one of, if not the most, laughable ideas that I have ever seen on this forum.

i will take that as +1 LOL im keeping a mental record=P for the record (perhaps i did not make it clear enough) am NOT suggesting it im simply interested on peoples views/thoughts/opinions of such a concept. So no need for mockery man=P

TheShadowScout

Personally I see no reason to change any of my classes, not until and unless they add a new class to the game... (since then I might want to try the new classes, but have 8 characters already... etc.)

Lorebreaking... I agree that it ought to be possible to learn something new. I don't really see if anyone who trades in their robes and wizards staff for sword and armor suddenly forgets all the magic they learned...

Precedents from other games... I know some games allow race changing, but I can't think of any that allow class changes. There prolly are some but... many, many more don't.

If anything, I would like to see some option for a "secondary" class, or sub-class, or "class morph" or something like that for diversification purposes. (Yes, back in D&D times I was the one who always played multi- or dual-classed characters... ) And I did post thoughts about that in other threads.


Race... maaaybe. It is in the lore, sort of (remember the dunmer in greenshade turning himself argonian with a potion while trying for khajiit? Or the temporary gobbo transformations in Stonefalls and Stormhaven? Or the permanent-until-countered alchemical animal transformations in Sentinel?), and it could be done. I'd want to see a high crown cost for it though.


Gender... again, I don't see any reason to change that. It may be entirely cosmetic in ESO, but when there is no reason for a change, and you made your choice in chargen, and its not something that might need improvement or adjustment like appereance or such...


Character name - that one I want changable. Not like people can't change their name in RL or stories left and right, Just pay the right people either in government or in document forgery business, and volia, new name. And a lot of people choose suboptimal names for this or that character, or made typoos, or thought of a more lore-appropiate name since creation... and thus wish they could change the one they have now. And I for one wouldn't want to have to redo weeks of questing and months of crafting research to reroll a alt of mine just to have a more decent name. Just lemme pay ten bucks worth of crowns, and rename the character.

TehMagnus

Kronosphere wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

yup i agree on the decision part! it does deminish the whole choice thing alot and would make it a bit trivial. however can u tell me more about the lore breaking part? from morrowind/oblivion/skyrim ive been able to dump my armor and weapons and start doing something completely different without it being lore breaking. so just not sure how u mean on that one. do you mean since our character has technically trained off screen to be x class? orr?

MM you're actually right, In my morning dizziness I confused class with race.

Yah I agree with you that it's not lorebreaking for class.

Then again, I wouldn't be against class change as long as the char is demoted back to level 1 (but he doesn't get to redo the quests he has already done because that would be just incoherent muhahaha and he can keep his skill points & AVA level).

Since leveling from 1 to 50 is class level, you should level up again if you change your class since your char is a "noob" in his new class.

olemanwinter

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

Decisions do matter. They cause people to unsub.

I decided on DC as my alliance. I have 3 VR characters.

DC is always in last place in PvP, which would be alright, except the only players left are sniveling little brats that just argue and snipe in zone chat. It's insufferable.

I know lots of people personally who have left DC and rerolled their character on AD to get out of the environment.

Additionally, the number of people in end-game zones and the number of end-game guilds are really small. It's much harder to group for end-game content in DC.

But I'm not going to reroll 3 VR characters.

So my choices are either to endure or quit.

Decisions do have consequences. Zos made a decision to create their game as they did. The consequence is leaving me few alternatives but to quit.

Furthermore, if Devs are going to dramatically change things as they are (1.6 is essentially a relaunch) then decisions matter in ways we CANNOT KNOW when making them.

Imagine if you had to pick a career for life with no chance of changing it in an environment where the government kept tightening and relaxing career specific taxes or changing what tools you could use, or what hours you had to work, or whatever.

I want to be a truck driver.....oh wait...carbon tax.

I want to be a NB....oh wait...half my class abilities are now stam based.

Kronosphere

olemanwinter wrote: »

Additionally, the number of people in end-game zones and the number of end-game guilds are really small. It's much harder to group for end-game content in DC..[/b]

with regards to this, you have my sympathy. it really sucks u cannot interact with players outside your alliance other than chat and pvp. i understand why they did this for lore reasons (and possibly server/node load?) but itd be great if there was a way to play with other people from vet 1 zone and onwards. or atleast craglorn etc. id like this, itd make the game feel more alive

Tandor

olemanwinter wrote: »

I want to be a NB....oh wait...half my class abilities are now stam based.

That's the reason for a full respec, it's nothing to do with being entitled to become a sorcerer instead.

TehMagnus

olemanwinter wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

Decisions do matter. They cause people to unsub.

I decided on DC as my alliance. I have 3 VR characters.

DC is always in last place in PvP, which would be alright, except the only players left are sniveling little brats that just argue and snipe in zone chat. It's insufferable.

I know lots of people personally who have left DC and rerolled their character on AD to get out of the environment.

Additionally, the number of people in end-game zones and the number of end-game guilds are really small. It's much harder to group for end-game content in DC.

But I'm not going to reroll 3 VR characters.

So my choices are either to endure or quit.

Decisions do have consequences. Zos made a decision to create their game as they did. The consequence is leaving me few alternatives but to quit.

Furthermore, if Devs are going to dramatically change things as they are (1.6 is essentially a relaunch) then decisions matter in ways we CANNOT KNOW when making them.

Imagine if you had to pick a career for life with no chance of changing it in an environment where the government kept tightening and relaxing career specific taxes or changing what tools you could use, or what hours you had to work, or whatever.

I want to be a truck driver.....oh wait...carbon tax.

I want to be a NB....oh wait...half my class abilities are now stam based.

You shouldn't have joined DC then.
It's your problem if you choose to reroll or not.
Faction isn't impacted by 1.6.

There is no imagining things, you made a decision, it was a poor one, quit or start over, doesn't really matter to ZOS, they allready got your money.

Edit: Do think that we should be able to team up regardless of our alliance to do end game content and that, just like you capture a fort in PVP, you should be able to "declare" what guild is being represented when doing a trial so that it's they guild that shows in the leaderboards and not the alliance. Most raiders I know agree with this idea, but once again, ZOS prolly not planing to do it.

Merlin13KAGL

TehMagnus wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

yup i agree on the decision part! it does deminish the whole choice thing alot and would make it a bit trivial. however can u tell me more about the lore breaking part? from morrowind/oblivion/skyrim ive been able to dump my armor and weapons and start doing something completely different without it being lore breaking. so just not sure how u mean on that one. do you mean since our character has technically trained off screen to be x class? orr?

MM you're actually right, In my morning dizziness I confused class with race.

Yah I agree with you that it's not lorebreaking for class.

Then again, I wouldn't be against class change as long as the char is demoted back to level 1 (but he doesn't get to redo the quests he has already done because that would be just incoherent muhahaha and he can keep his skill points & AVA level).

Since leveling from 1 to 50 is class level, you should level up again if you change your class since your char is a "noob" in his new class.

@TehMagnus , I envision it something like this:

1. Knock on door in shady part of town.
2. Fill out forms, sign disclosure.
3. Pay 1,000,000 gold
4. Get hit over head with large Ayleid rock.
5. Wake up in a wedding dress or a chef's outfit and an entirely new skill set...

Kragorn

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

So you'd be in favour of never allowing a respec at all I presume.

TehMagnus

Kragorn wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

So you'd be in favour of never allowing a respec at all I presume.

TehMagnus wrote: »

Then again, I wouldn't be against class change as long as the char is demoted back to level 1 (but he doesn't get to redo the quests he has already done because that would be just incoherent muhahaha and he can keep his skill points & AVA level).

Since leveling from 1 to 50 is class level, you should level up again if you change your class since your char is a "noob" in his new class.

Decisions matter, if you want to change class it should make you have to level up again. Wouldn't be hard to do so since you'd have your skillpoints & Champion Points, but at least wouldn't be like: "Puff!" I'm a sorc now!

Gyudan

What IF we could pay gold crowns to change class like a respec?

Fixed. That will probably be available sometime in the next 6 months.

Erock25

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

TehMagnus

Erock25 wrote: »

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

Sure because race change isn't incoherent & lore breaking.

Tankqull

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

if your decisions have been fu... by the developers you should be able to revert your decision.

Kronosphere

Erock25 wrote: »

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

cuz replaying cadwells gold/silver per character is a blast and a huge reason to do it already? where is all this talk of race changes coming from btw? haha no thanks

Kragorn

TehMagnus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

Sure because race change isn't incoherent & lore breaking.

Whereas large numbers of Imperials fighting in all factions is entirely lore-abiding .. or come to that, the three factions this game has (added entirely to give a bsasis for PVP) are lore-abiding as far as the depth of TES lore is concerned, I suppose.

The fact is much of ESO has no basis in TES lore going back 15+ years so picking one thing that you happen to dislike and throw 'lore' as a reason really isn't going to fly, is it?

BBSooner

I'm not a fan of class swapping. Getting to swap class because you don't want to level through silver/gold again fixes a symptom instead of the problem - the problem being lack of unrecycled content at VR1. Since future zones appear to not be level locked I can imagine bouncing between Wrothgar, craglorn, murkmire, Mephala's web, clockwork city, etc when they get released for VR content. Despite that taking a good long while likely I'm still against a class change.

Erock25

TehMagnus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

Sure because race change isn't incoherent & lore breaking.

I'm shocked that Hodor is a lore based RP guild. I could have changed my race a hundred times and you could have walked past me a hundred times and you never would have known the difference. Do you know what race everyone is in the game? Do you read their /whispers in a Khajit or Orc accent?

Kronosphere wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

There are only four classes and granting class change would remove all reason to replay the game. Race change on the other hand should have been in the game since the beginning.

cuz replaying cadwells gold/silver per character is a blast and a huge reason to do it already? where is all this talk of race changes coming from btw? haha no thanks

Where is all this talk of cadwells gold/silver being boring coming from? Shouldn't you be playing a different game if you think the vast majority of its content is crap?

Gidorick

I think this is a fundamental difference in game design theory. Final Fantasy has a job system that works like I think you're suggesting. Oh, and Dragon's Dogma Online is going to exist...

http://youtu.be/iNxmg4w7azQ

Dreamo84

TehMagnus wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

Two reasons why not:

- Lorebreaking.
- Decisions should matter.

yup i agree on the decision part! it does deminish the whole choice thing alot and would make it a bit trivial. however can u tell me more about the lore breaking part? from morrowind/oblivion/skyrim ive been able to dump my armor and weapons and start doing something completely different without it being lore breaking. so just not sure how u mean on that one. do you mean since our character has technically trained off screen to be x class? orr?

MM you're actually right, In my morning dizziness I confused class with race.

Yah I agree with you that it's not lorebreaking for class.

Then again, I wouldn't be against class change as long as the char is demoted back to level 1 (but he doesn't get to redo the quests he has already done because that would be just incoherent muhahaha and he can keep his skill points & AVA level).

Since leveling from 1 to 50 is class level, you should level up again if you change your class since your char is a "noob" in his new class.

Actually, your dizziness has gotten you again!

Your level is your character level. You actually have specific class skill levels. I can make my sorcerer lvl 50 while still being a *** sorcerer with all lvl 1 class skills :-p.

Sphinx2318

dharbert wrote: »

This is one of, if not the most, laughable ideas that I have ever seen on this forum.

well you have not been reading the forums that long then bud.

Animal_Mother

I really don't see how re-classing for gold would work especially once you factor in leveling class skills - again.

arqe

What IF we ... "NOPE"

Sallington

If anything, MORE of our decisions should matter in building a character, not less.