Mount Specific Racial Riding Bonuses Concept

AngryNord · February 2015

Please, keep elves riding Elks to the abominations made by Peter Jackson. It has got nothing to do With Tamriel and Elder Scrolls whatsoever.

Gidorick · February 2015

Do you have an alternate suggestion @AngryNord? I have said I didn't particularly care for the choice of Elk but it kind of just defaulted that way in my "mount matching".

And to be fair... that fact that ESO even HAS elves means it's inspired, in part, by LOTR. And the Elk in Peter Jackson's movies is a Eurasian Elk. An extinct form of elk with big moose-like antlers.

AngryNord · February 2015

Well, part of the problem is, that the only "custom" Mounts specifically mentioned in lore, are Khajiit riding Senche... Other than that, it is all horses... And possibly Orcs riding bears.

Gidorick · February 2015

And Argonians riding inside Rootworms.

Yea. I kind of wish we never got anything but different horse breeds as mounts.

But we do what we can with what we have, and this is the tamriel we are in now!

The thought did cross my mind to suggest that the racial mounts be different horses but this idea is to give players a reason to ride a specific mount, create alternate characters, and add more to the crown store. If it's just all different looking horses I don't think it serves as broad a purpose.

I would genuinely like help figuring out which mounts should be with which race.

So if Orcs are bears (love it! ) are Nords Sabre Cats?

If Orcs are Sabre Cats, what are Bretons?

Let's spit ball with other ideas and new creatures.

Could the Altmer ride Dragon Horses? Or would that be to much?

Panda244 · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

And Argonians riding inside Rootworms.

Yea. I kind of wish we never got anything but different horse breeds as mounts. But we do what we can with what we have, and this is the tamriel we are in now!

The thought did cross my mind to suggest that the racial mounts be different horses but this idea is to give players a reason to ride a specific mount, create alternate characters, and add more to the crown store. If it's just all different looking horses I don't think it serves as broad a purpose.

I would genuinely like help figuring out which mounts should be with which race.

So if Orcs are bears (love it! ) are Nords Sabre Cats?

If Orcs are Sabre Cats, what are Bretons?

Let's spit ball with other ideas and new creatures.

Could the Altmer ride Dragon Horses? Or would that be to much?

That's actually.... Awesome.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · February 2015

awww cmon Argonians get a wurm... rlly,
giv em a Wamasu mount, that would be cool

& Dunmer on Silt strider (not runner fyi)... really, .... u played morrowind by any chance? u know how big those things are...?
thats not really viable, let em have the guars then

Gidorick · February 2015

@bertenburnyb16_ESO the stilt runner is just a concept. It has short legs and is about the size of a horse. It's a cousin of the stilt strider.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

@bertenburnyb16_ESO the stilt runner is just a concept. It has short legs and is about the size of a horse. It's a cousin of the stilt strider.

would still prefer guar then I guess

Throren · February 2015

Oh god, dragon horses? really dude?

Also rootworms for argonians don't work as rootworms only follow the roots of trees (sorta like a train on a track) and almost always saty underwater and for people to ride them and I quote - "They had thin skin as well as breathing holes that travelers could make use of to enter rootworms' stomachs and ride inside them."

How can we use a mount that 1. only moves along roots of trees and stay underwater and 2. To ride them you have to climb into their stomach through a breathing hole

Gidorick · February 2015

Well @Throren, what are your suggestions?

The root worm ONLY moves along roots? I wasn't aware. There is some lore stretching here... I've admitted that. But everyone riding Senche isn't exactly lore friendly either. Some concessions have to be made for gameplay.

And ya. You ride inside a rootworm. Gross Eh? Lol. This could be accomplished through animation! I've gone through this idea previously... mechanically rootworms could be done.

Gidorick · February 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@bertenburnyb16_ESO the stilt runner is just a concept. It has short legs and is about the size of a horse. It's a cousin of the stilt strider.

would still prefer guar then I guess

That would be easier but adding racial bonuses to an EXISTING mount would be baaaad juju.

Faugaun · February 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Only if they give one of each free with a unique colour scheme as a loyalty reward to coincide with the reward Senche, so it's not just Khajiit getting bonuses for unique loyalty mount.

Seriously??? Wtf? How about if they made them and then as a loyalty reward you could pick ONE? Frankly I don't even see why this matters...

Anvos wrote: »

I'd say something similar to a wamasu would make more sense for argonian and dunmer could just as equally be a battle guar.

Omg, I would so love a wamasu mount!

@Gidorick I love the root worm idea, guess I'm weird like you. It seems like you are suggesting a single mount skin for the racial bonus. I think a better concept is that each mount is assigned a race and when that race uses the mount then they get the bonus. So maybe all seneche (and seneche like) mounts are khajiit racial bonus. Argonian can get racial from Wamasu, Guar, and Root Worm type mounts. Etc...

Let me try to illustrate my concept better, each mount would be assigned a type: equine (horses), feline, canine, reptilian, amphibian, insect, ursus (bears), avies (birds), chariot, smilodon (saber cats), elephantini (mammoths, elephant etc..).

Then a racial passive applied to each race which might include 3 types of lore appropriate mounts:

Example of passive (s) for Argonian:

Mounted Argonian: Argonian gains 10% increase to Speed, Stamina and Capacity while riding Reptile (wamasu), Amphibian (guar), or insect (root worm) type mounts.

Or alternately it could be broken into three types of racial bonuses with 3 passives:

Insect Rider: While riding insects the Argonian's movement speed is increased by 10%
Reptile Rider: While riding reptiles the Argonian's capacity is increased by 10%
Amphibian Rider: While riding Amphibians the Argonian's stamina is increased by 10%

With a race having multiple mount types applied to it the character is given some flexibility in mount options while maintaining the benefit. Additionally this allows some overlap where multiple races might be good with horses (among other things). If multiple races used a classification (such as horses) then different races might get different specific benefits from the mount classification. For instance if Imperials, Dunmer and Bosmer used horses them one would get +stam, one would get +capacity, and one would get +speed from the equine classed beasts.

I guess I'm trying to avoid the "all khajiit ride striped seneche" syndrome by creating lots of flexibility within the system.

Throren · February 2015

Still, rootworm is too much of a stretch. Do you know how slow a worm would move on land? The reason they move so fast is they glide along roots underwater (and can traverse miles within minutes). And folks have to claim inside their stomach to ride them. I would say rootworm would act better as some sort of taxi service. It would be neat actually if some cities had their wayshrines replaced with say, a silt strider taxi (morrowind) or rootworm (blackmarsh) for immersion sake. Probably still function the same way as a wayshrine

Gidorick · February 2015

Throren wrote: »

Still, rootworm is too much of a stretch. Do you know how slow a worm would move on land? The reason they move so fast is they glide along roots underwater (and can traverse miles within minutes). And folks have to claim inside their stomach to ride them. I would say rootworm would act better as some sort of taxi service. It would be neat actually if some cities had their wayshrines replaced with say, a silt strider taxi (morrowind) or rootworm (blackmarsh) for immersion sake. Probably still function the same way as a wayshrine

No, I don't know how fast or slow a fictional fantasy worm mount could move on land in a fictional fantasy world.

lol. I jest.

I would suggest the concept of Rockworm that's a cousin of the Rootworm that has a tougher exterior and can burrow through dirt and rock, but at that point I'm just making stuff up because I personally like the idea of a worm mount. So if a rootworm really is a no go, the Wamasu would be good choice, considering the creatures we've seen thus far. I'm going to look a little closer at the lore tonight.

The taxis are a really good way to implement rootworms and stilt striders.... I'm surprised at haven't seen this with horse and buggies. I assumed they were just going to always use wayshrines because that's where we respawn. Having us respawn at a stilt strider doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Of course I have issues worth the whole wayshrine system that I've never voiced because, what's the point?

Gidorick · February 2015

@Faugaun so you're suggesting mount classes have the racial bonuses, not just specific mounts? That's an interesting thought. I did have, in my concept, the idea that all of these mounts would have different "skins" that could be purchased in the crown store? So not all the mounts would look the same.

Maybe, using factions, we could assign faction mount bonuses... that would make it so people aren't complaining about not liking their mount.

Of course, that would decrease the incentive to make alts.

Faugaun · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

@Faugaun so you're suggesting mount classes have the racial bonuses, not just specific mounts? That's an interesting thought. I did have, in my concept, the idea that all of these mounts would have different "skins" that could be purchased in the crown store? So not all the mounts would look the same.

Maybe, using factions, we could assign faction mount bonuses... that would make it so people aren't complaining about not liking their mount.

Of course, that would decrease the incentive to make alts.

Or both?

You can have the racial system, say if your the race you get +10% to speed, stam, capacity
If you're the same faction as the race but not the race then you get +5% speed, stam, capacity
And if you're a different faction u get 0%

Edit: this could introduce some interesting aesthetics in PvP ... Ep characters would typically have ep type mounts and ad would typically have ad type mounts etc...

Throw the explorers pack into the mix and a Khajiit EP player would get 100% of the bonus for Khajiit mounts, 50% for EP mounts and 0% for bosmer mounts...

Maybe an alternate could be (but it would devalue the explorer pack bonus) if player meets the race they get +5% if they meet the faction they get 5%. So a character of correct race and faction would get 10%, correct race or faction would get 5%, and neither match = 0%.

I guess for the spirit of explorer pack there could be some mounts that are classified for the incorrect faction/race pair....like a seneche skin that is for AD and one for EP so a khajiit made with wrong faction could grab these and actually receive full benefit.

PlagueMonk · February 2015

Throren wrote: »

Again, good try Gidorick but still not lore-friendly enough for my liking. My comments:

At it's core this statement is a poor one at best. Why? Because you cannot possibly include everything about a race/culture in even a series of writings. Thank goodness this is ALL made up and with the simple act of putting pen to paper (ok, finger to keyboard) you can ADD anything!

Here, watch........"While a little known fact, Argonians once rode the dreaded "Phorus", giant flightless birds that terrorized the marshes of the South. Sadly, the population of these terrible birds dwindled to extinction (or so we thought!) Recently a herd was found in a remote corner of the marsh and the Argonians are now actively trying to nurture the species back and to once more ride these great predators into battle!"

Woohoo! New lore was JUST created that didn't stomp on anyone's toes but injected a brand new element! Pretty magical eh?

So please stop with "lore-friendly" crapola.

Keepercraft · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

And Argonians riding inside Rootworms.

Yea. I kind of wish we never got anything but different horse breeds as mounts. But we do what we can with what we have, and this is the tamriel we are in now!

The thought did cross my mind to suggest that the racial mounts be different horses but this idea is to give players a reason to ride a specific mount, create alternate characters, and add more to the crown store. If it's just all different looking horses I don't think it serves as broad a purpose.

I would genuinely like help figuring out which mounts should be with which race.

So if Orcs are bears (love it! ) are Nords Sabre Cats?

If Orcs are Sabre Cats, what are Bretons?

Let's spit ball with other ideas and new creatures.

Could the Altmer ride Dragon Horses? Or would that be to much?

Dragon Horse rofl.

Gidorick · March 2015

HEY @ZOS! Here's a bunch of mounts for the crown shop.

I want that worm! I'd totally play an Argonian with that worm.

I know it doesn't exactly "fit" into the lore... but neither does the whole flaming horse so at this point... just use the lore as "inspiration" for these sorts of things.

Rootworm all the way! WOO HOO!!!!

AtriasNaradan · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

@Dracane @Panda244 and @TheShadowScout You know, the Altmer mount was the one I had the most issues with, personally... too LOTR, but I couldn't think of another mount type that would make sense for the Altmer. It doesn't have to mean they are "one with nature", just that they have broken the elk as one would break a horse.

It's not unheard of:

That being said, I also thought a really regal looking horse would work for Altmer but I thought it would be too much to have "special horses" for two of the races... so if it's horse for Altmer... what mount for Imperials?
I did consider a Griffin but there has never been any mention of griffins in lore, I don't think.

Oh... and unicorns are WAY too rare to be used as a mount for a bunch of people. I actually seriously thought the "exclusive mount for those that had been with ZOS since the beginning" should have been a unicorn. Cheezy, sure... but it would limit the unicorn to give it to some and never release it to anyone else.

Sabre cats were chosen for Breton because of where Bretons are in Tamriel. Aren't there Sabre Cats in Craglorn? That's a Daggerfall covenant zone so I kind of felt it was an easy enough stretch to make. Unfortunately, I ran into similar issues with my War Mount concept, Daggerfall Covenant just doesn't have a lot of options as far as wildlife goes, where as the Ebonheart Pact has TONS. I think it's because Morrowind and Skyrim both took place in Ebonheart areas.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152462/siege-weapon-concept-war-mounts

@PlagueMonk I tried to find large, flightless birds in Tamriel and I came up empty handed. I too thought a bird would have been a good mount for Bosmer, which would have freed up the wolf for another race. I did my best to not ADD to existing lore.

The only thing I 'made up' was the Stilt Runner. Being that there are Stilt Striders, I thought it was an alright mount to suggest.

As for everyone not liking the Rootworm... That actually really surprises me! It's 100% lore appropriate (unlike most of these concepts, lol) and it's a really unique mount, and as I suggested in my Argonian concept:

Gidorick wrote: »

The Rootworm could emerge from the ground and the player would slide inside. As the player moves, the worm lurches forward, if the player “runs” while mounted, the Rootworm could dive into the ground with a disturbance on the ground showing where the player currently is.

The disturbance on the ground could be as visible as a mounted PC.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147221/concept-for-a-future-argonian-centric-update#latest

I am NOT saying Wamasu not be a mount... just not used for the racial-bonus mount, There should be many other types of mounts not mentioned here that holds NO racial-bonuses whatsoever. Wamasu should be one of those mounts.

And thanks @vrine. I really enjoy the lore of Tamriel and ESO is my first MMO. It being a perpetually growing and evolving program I really hope that they will look at some of our suggestions while they are developing ideas.

Personally, I would have liked for all the mounts to have remained horses and there just have been different armor sets for the different races kind of how we have armor motifs, but that went out the window pretty early on when we heard Senche Mounts were on their way.

1. Give us any prove where they use Elk mount on The Elder Scroll series. Also give us an example of mass usage of Elk mount by Altmer. You say Unicorn is too rare, well Elk mount in Elder Scroll is even more unheard of. Just give them special type of Horse, they're that kind of elves...bunches of metropolis elves. So, Elk mount is lore unfriendly, because while it's possible to ride it, there's no record of mass usage of them as mount on TES.

2. Craglorn is located on the border between Hammerfell, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil (within Hammerfell). If any, it's on the territory of Redguard, not Breton. Just give Breton another special type of horse.

3. Bosmer riding wolves are already good, because there's actually one example on of them on ESO (one of the enemy at Bosmer capital territory, the werewolve one). But, it should be bigger than average wolves, that's at least as big as Senche.

4. There's no actual sighting of Griffon or Griffin on TES series. So far, they're more like a myth, just like on real life. Their name only used on tavern names and such, it point out to it being a myth. So, giving it as a mount is lore unfriendly.

5. There's more than it being lore friendly to see it as fitting. For Rootworm, they travel underground on a swamp areas. For one, they can't be added because it would be against the lore for them to walk aboveground, while it would spell unfairness to other rides on ESO if it travels underground. Secondly, it can't travel anywhere not swampy, how would they be used on mountainous areas? desert? grassland? hence, it can't be added as a mount on ESO, and be fair and lore friendly at the same time. There are other more lore friendly options such as Welwa, Alit, and other mountable creatures that lives on Argonian territories but travel aboveground and can walk on other type of areas as well.

6. Overall, while some of your suggestions are good and lore friendly, you also add bad and lore unfriendly on mounts suggestions for some races.

AtriasNaradan · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Do you have an alternate suggestion @AngryNord? I have said I didn't particularly care for the choice of Elk but it kind of just defaulted that way in my "mount matching".

And to be fair... that fact that ESO even HAS elves means it's inspired, in part, by LOTR. And the Elk in Peter Jackson's movies is a Eurasian Elk. An extinct form of elk with big moose-like antlers.

To be fair, elven race are not originated from LOTR. So, it can't be said for certain wether LOTR partly inspired TES elves or not. It's also a fact that Altmer never did live on trees, unlike all elves of LOTR. Even when we assume it's indeed partly inspired by LOTR, there's no excuse to be lore unfriendly whatsoever.

AtriasNaradan · March 2015

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Throren wrote: »

Again, good try Gidorick but still not lore-friendly enough for my liking. My comments:

At it's core this statement is a poor one at best. Why? Because you cannot possibly include everything about a race/culture in even a series of writings. Thank goodness this is ALL made up and with the simple act of putting pen to paper (ok, finger to keyboard) you can ADD anything!

Here, watch........"While a little known fact, Argonians once rode the dreaded "Phorus", giant flightless birds that terrorized the marshes of the South. Sadly, the population of these terrible birds dwindled to extinction (or so we thought!) Recently a herd was found in a remote corner of the marsh and the Argonians are now actively trying to nurture the species back and to once more ride these great predators into battle!"

Woohoo! New lore was JUST created that didn't stomp on anyone's toes but injected a brand new element! Pretty magical eh?

So please stop with "lore-friendly" crapola.

You missed one simple fact about lore...not just anyone can add to it. Only creator of the story and people that's given the right by the creator can add to the lore. Also it can't contradict the already existing lore without a valid connecting explaination. So no, nothing magical about it.

Gidorick · March 2015

@AtriasNaradan tell Elves, as they are in ESO, were a Toliken creation, as far as I know. While I agree that many of my suggestions stretch and make up lore I would like to know your suggestions, in light of all your critique.

As I mentioned before, just having multiple races have horses as their "riding bonus-animal" seems lazy and goes against the core concept of this thread. The core concept of this post was to suggest mounts for each race that would have specific riding bonuses. If you disagree with that, that's fine... but if you're going to make suggestions, please keep in mind the core concept of this thread.

I actually didn't like the Altmer having Elk... but I couldn't find a mount that I thought was better because Imperials made the most sense for Horses to me. If Altmer has a Horse... what do Imperials get?

I know there have not yet been Grffins in Tamriel... that's why I said

Gideon wrote:

I did consider a Griffin but there has never been any mention of griffins in lore, I don't think.

BUT... that doesn't mean lore can't be written to include them.... lore is a fluid thing, after all.

Where do you get your information about the Rootworm? I only know of one instance, in An Argonian Account, that speaks of the Rootworm. They certainly tell us of how THOSE Rootwooms travel, they never say there aren't other types of Rootworms.

Mostly though, I admit, I just want a Rootworm mount. I don't play an Argonian... but man... I would if I was able to ride inside one of those gross things, I totally would! As I mentioned before, it would just take one document talking about the northern Rootworms or how they have been used by caravaners or whatever to make it "lore-friendly".

All in all... I agree with a lot of what you said, I admit I made some concessions to get unique mounts for each race. I'm not married to any of these mounts but the core concept... that each race should have a specific mount for which they get some racial riding bonuses, is what is important here.

So, what'cha think? If Altmer gets Horse what does the Imperial get (not a horse

)?

lihentian · March 2015

nice concept.. but i don't want to ride big ugly worm...

Gidorick · March 2015

AtriasNaradan wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Throren wrote: »

Again, good try Gidorick but still not lore-friendly enough for my liking. My comments:

At it's core this statement is a poor one at best. Why? Because you cannot possibly include everything about a race/culture in even a series of writings. Thank goodness this is ALL made up and with the simple act of putting pen to paper (ok, finger to keyboard) you can ADD anything!

Here, watch........"While a little known fact, Argonians once rode the dreaded "Phorus", giant flightless birds that terrorized the marshes of the South. Sadly, the population of these terrible birds dwindled to extinction (or so we thought!) Recently a herd was found in a remote corner of the marsh and the Argonians are now actively trying to nurture the species back and to once more ride these great predators into battle!"

Woohoo! New lore was JUST created that didn't stomp on anyone's toes but injected a brand new element! Pretty magical eh?

So please stop with "lore-friendly" crapola.

You missed one simple fact about lore...not just anyone can add to it. Only creator of the story and people that's given the right by the creator can add to the lore. Also it can't contradict the already existing lore without a valid connecting explaination. So no, nothing magical about it.

Oh, I 100% agree that lore needs to be taken into consideration, but as I said... the core concept was what was important. The specific mount suggestions were more "for fun".

Gidorick · March 2015

lihentian wrote: »

nice concept.. but i don't want to ride big ugly worm...

lol. You wouldn't HAVE to... you just wouldn't get the racial riding bonus... if you were playing an Argonian.

AtriasNaradan · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

HEY @ZOS! Here's a bunch of mounts for the crown shop.

I want that worm! I'd totally play an Argonian with that worm.

I know it doesn't exactly "fit" into the lore... but neither does the whole flaming horse so at this point... just use the lore as "inspiration" for these sorts of things.

Rootworm all the way! WOO HOO!!!!

I don't fancy that flaming horse as well, but it is Daedric horse, which means it's not something that must always be seen on Tamriel. Add the fact that everything that happens on ESO time period is not recorded, it's a missing part of TES history...so it isn't lore unfriendly.

On the other hand, while Rootworm is also lore friendly, it can't travel aboveground and it can only walk on swampy areas. You simply can't add something like that as a mount on ESO.

Gidorick · March 2015

AtriasNaradan wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

HEY @ZOS! Here's a bunch of mounts for the crown shop.

I want that worm! I'd totally play an Argonian with that worm.

I know it doesn't exactly "fit" into the lore... but neither does the whole flaming horse so at this point... just use the lore as "inspiration" for these sorts of things.

Rootworm all the way! WOO HOO!!!!

I don't fancy that flaming horse as well, but it is Daedric horse, which means it's not something that must always be seen on Tamriel. Add the fact that everything that happens on ESO time period is not recorded, it's a missing part of TES history...so it isn't lore unfriendly.

On the other hand, while Rootworm is also lore friendly, it can't travel aboveground and it can only walk on swampy areas. You simply can't add something like that as a mount on ESO.

Please provide the source for where lore says Rootworms are ONLY found traveling the Underground Express and that they CAN'T travel above ground.

Of course, I realize that just because it's not in lore doesn't make it lore-appropriate. It's never said that Guars CAN'T fart rainbows and cry golden tears.... I'm just trying to point out what we know about Rootworms is rather limited, so I don't think either of us has "lore on our side" when it comes to deciding if a Rootworm mount is "lore-appropriate".

As for the flaming horse. There is NO reason for hundreds of players to have those things. If there were a quest or something that involved a flaming horse that we "tamed"... sure, whatever. But as is, there is no reason for a person fresh out of Coldharbor to be galloping around on a flaming Daedric horse. Unless we got it IN Coldharbor, but there should be something to indicate that.

That's my main issue with the Daedric horse... hundreds of players running around on them with no rhyme or reason.

AtriasNaradan · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

AtriasNaradan wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

HEY @ZOS! Here's a bunch of mounts for the crown shop.

I want that worm! I'd totally play an Argonian with that worm.

I know it doesn't exactly "fit" into the lore... but neither does the whole flaming horse so at this point... just use the lore as "inspiration" for these sorts of things.

Rootworm all the way! WOO HOO!!!!

I don't fancy that flaming horse as well, but it is Daedric horse, which means it's not something that must always be seen on Tamriel. Add the fact that everything that happens on ESO time period is not recorded, it's a missing part of TES history...so it isn't lore unfriendly.

On the other hand, while Rootworm is also lore friendly, it can't travel aboveground and it can only walk on swampy areas. You simply can't add something like that as a mount on ESO.

Please provide the source for where lore says Rootworms are ONLY found traveling the Underground Express and that they CAN'T travel above ground.

Of course, I realize that just because it's not in lore doesn't make it lore-appropriate. It's never said that Guars CAN'T fart rainbows and cry golden tears.... I'm just trying to point out what we know about Rootworms is rather limited, so I don't think either of us has "lore on our side" when it comes to deciding if a Rootworm mount is "lore-appropriate".

As for the flaming horse. There is NO reason for hundreds of players to have those things. If there were a quest or something that involved a flaming horse that we "tamed"... sure, whatever. But as is, there is no reason for a person fresh out of Coldharbor to be galloping around on a flaming Daedric horse. Unless we got it IN Coldharbor, but there should be something to indicate that.

That's my main issue with the Daedric horse... hundreds of players running around on them with no rhyme or reason.

Rootworm rode roots of trees under swampy water of black marsh. They simply can't walk anywhere without roots. Can't you open the wiki by yourself, or everyone always needs to open it up for you?

This game is simply a game based on an already existing lore...and the setting itself on the ancient age of the original, it's on the second age while Morrowind and Oblivion on third age and Skyrim on the fourth age. When somehing as efficiently fast for traveling as Rootworm can go outside Blackmarsh, there'll already books on the original TES series covering it. It's not just assumption, it is common logic that without any physical and/or written evidence about it on the 3rd and 4th ages, it's logically never happens on 1st and 2nd ages.

Btw, i don't have any problem with different horses types for different race. That is how TES is, Skyrim horse is different than Cyrodiil horse breed. You simply can't expect game with pre-existing lore as big as TES series ESO just add things up like how it is on MMOs without pre-existing lore. ESO basically ride on the TES series lore, not the other way around.

Geez dude, you must have come from the MMO player base lol

Gidorick · March 2015

So you want me to find justification for your argument FOR you? Seriously? That's not how debates work mate.

If you're going to make an statement you need to be able to support that argument. This is especially if you're talking about Lore and Lore friendliness. You need to cite your sources. That's basic argument etiquette and the burden of proof is on you... but let's put that aside and discuss why the Rootworm wouldn't work as a mount.

I agree that the only account we have of rootworms show them swimming through mud, along roots. There is ZERO justification for their being able to burrow through solid dirt and especially not rock. I agree with this!

That being said. Lore can be created, creatures can be created and new concepts can be added. Not by me of course. I was simply suggesting that the Rootworm be modified to include the ability to go through dirt and rock. The above ground thing... eh... I dunno. Probably not trotting, but I feel like they could slink along. Their thin skin would probably make them seem pretty fragile.

I used the Rootworm because I didn't want to suggest new types of animals, I didn't want to make up something. I wanted to stay as close to lore as possible but since so many people have problems with the whole Rootworm thing I'm just going to suggest that a Rockworm be introduced!

How about it?

From The Argonian Misconception (a book I just made up for this example)
The Rockworm was thought to be a cousin of the Rootworm during the second era and was used in a similar manner. Instead of entering through breathing holes, Argonians would be eaten by the Rockworm. The Argonian would simply push on the stomach of the Rockworm, causing discomfort to the armored beast, and the Argonian would be regurgitated.

It was discovered late in the second era that the Rockworm is actually the Larve stage of the Chaurus. The Chaurus Larvae would hatch and begin its life in a nomadic state, traveling all the lands of Tamriel beneath the surface through dirt, mud and rock. Argonians, mistaking the larvae as an armored variant of the Rootworm, would use them as transportation. The constant ingestion and regurgitation eventually took its toll on the roaming Chaurus Larvae who would die from starvation and would never have the opportunity to returned home to proceed to the next stage of their development. This lead to their near extinction until the Falmer began to raise the Chaurus in the third era.

But that's just me spitballing.

I disagree that ESO shouldn't be able to add to the lore of the TES series. They are already doing it with things like the Senche and Guar Mounts. Where were are all the Senche mounts in Oblivion? Where were Guar Mounts in Morrowind?

You and I just disagree about it being no problem suggesting different types of horses with different racial bonuses. If all ESO ever had for mounts were horses (which is what I personally would have preferred), sure, but as it is I think we would have many unhappy people if their favorite race "got a plain-old horse" as their racial mount. The only non-horse mount that is lore-friendly is the Senche... and only for Khajiit, so with that in mind the whole concept is pretty much blown anyway.