Experience boost potion announced today.

zward887_ESO · February 2015

I'm really surprised at how many people are not understanding the issue with XP potions. Very few people have an issue with electing to level to VR14 faster, Its almost entirely irrelevant.

The issue with XP pots is going to be with the champion system, and I can almost certainly guarantee that XP pots will work with the champion system. Given the design of the champion system (that 0.001% of the player base will ever max it), XP pots will represent a permanent increase in stats through additional CP.

Now, with diminishing returns on the champion system its up to each individual person to decide if they believe it is P2W or not, but I honestly cannot say that either view is wrong.

istateres · February 2015

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

wOOOOt_of_SD · February 2015

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

What???

Selling gear in store is NOT ok.
But xp boost potion is no problem.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

Govalon · February 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

...and CP. just saying

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Govalon wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

...and CP. just saying

The XP boost potions will also be available in game for gold. Again 10% xp isnt going to make much of a difference. Hardly the same as buying gear or something you have forever. The potions after you use them most likely will only be good for an hour.

Olern · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

From todays Road Ahead:

you dont pay a sub your 10% behind
you dont spend money on these in the crown store, your behind.
[/quote]

Based upon that logic, then if you don't play as much as your friends or guildmates, you're behind also.
There are lots of things in game that will put you 'ahead' or 'behind' someone else.

Akselmo · February 2015

How the hell is XP boost "winning?"

Is everyone who is VR14 a winner now?

I guess I lost long time ago then, damnit.

Govalon · February 2015

Akselmo wrote: »

How the hell is XP boost "winning?"

Is everyone who is VR14 a winner now?

I guess I lost long time ago then, damnit.

LOL where do these clueless gamers come from? So many of you around today. NOBODY CARES about level 1-vr14. NOBODY. It is pointless to argue about that since it takes no time to get max level. What we are talking about here is the new endless progression system. The whole point of CP is that you are not supposed to max it out EVER. This means that 10% increase in xp translates to 10% more CP.

EölMPK · February 2015

Diminushing returns.

Boo freaking hoo.

istateres · February 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

XP boostes give you levels, levels give you more Health/ Magica/ stamina; post VR14, it will given you more CP, which can give you all sorts of bonuses (please don't tell me those bonuses are too small to care about {if so, please don't bother to assign any of your CP when the system goes live}).

So my question is simple, Are you ok with the cash store selling VR1 characters? VR14 Characters? CPs? If not, then XP boosts are the same thing, just a "lighter" version. Don't want to call it P2W? Fine, call it Pay to be the most powerful!

EölMPK · February 2015

istateres wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

XP boostes give you levels, levels give you more Health/ Magica/ stamina; post VR14, it will given you more CP, which can give you all sorts of bonuses (please don't tell me those bonuses are too small to care about {if so, please don't bother to assign any of your CP when the system goes live}).

So my question is simple, Are you ok with the cash store selling VR1 characters? VR14 Characters? CPs? If not, then XP boosts are the same thing, just a "lighter" version. Don't want to call it P2W? Fine, call it Pay to be the most powerful!

Diminushing returns in CP.
The pots can be bought with gold.
You are insane to compare xp pots with selling max lvl characters, please.

See, it's you the problem, not the pots. You are so competitive (uppish) that you want to be the best, and cant accept anyone being as "good" as you because they have less time to play, and bought some xp pots lol

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

istateres wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

XP boostes give you levels, levels give you more Health/ Magica/ stamina; post VR14, it will given you more CP, which can give you all sorts of bonuses (please don't tell me those bonuses are too small to care about {if so, please don't bother to assign any of your CP when the system goes live}).

So my question is simple, Are you ok with the cash store selling VR1 characters? VR14 Characters? CPs? If not, then XP boosts are the same thing, just a "lighter" version. Don't want to call it P2W? Fine, call it Pay to be the most powerful!

So selling some temp 10% xp boost equates to selling a completely leveled up vr14 character? If you are going to make an argument you have to stay within the realm of reality.

Tonnopesce · February 2015

Deleated it was inappropriate

Simzani · February 2015

"It's not important, the bonus is weak".
"It won't be a real change."

Next time they'll sell a 15% pot a little more expensive. Then it will be a 10% pot for a faster research craft. Then the same pot but 15%. Months after, a pot that reduce the time by 50%, then make it instant. Little by little. And the blinds will love it, because "it is just a little stronger". And they will be right, each increment will be small. Little by little, insidiously. They'll push as far as they can.

Hutuldur · February 2015

Is there some reason why free to play players can't play 10-20% more catch up? I didn't see any time limits for free to play players mentioned anywhere.

Btw, there is technically limited about of XP you can get per day. After you lose enlightenment, you will get 4x less experience. There are really diminishing returns for excessive grinding even with buffs.

Tamanous · February 2015

ZOS stated a while back that xp buffs from cash shop was something they were doing.

Increased progression does not affect end game or on level power curve and is available via gold as well. P2W is ONLY services in cash shop that is REQUIRED for game play progression and not available outside of the store.

The vast majority of cash shop models offer this. No news here.

Hutuldur · February 2015

Just continuing. If free to play plays just enough to use enlightenment and get X experience, 10% exp boost gives the other player only 2.5% extra experience. It doesn't really help boosted players to run away from other players. It just gets them to the enlightenment limit with a bit less time.

Many of the complaints in this thread would be valid without enlightenment system. Anyway, now complaints I see here are based just on lack of understanding or general willingness of people to whine about everything.

Joejudas · February 2015

Hutuldur wrote: »

Just continuing. If free to play plays just enough to use enlightenment and get X experience, 10% exp boost gives the other player only 2.5% extra experience. It doesn't really help boosted players to run away from other players. It just gets them to the enlightenment limit with a bit less time.

Many of the complaints in this thread would be valid without enlightenment system. Anyway, now complaints I see here are based just on lack of understanding or general willingness of people to whine about everything.

Alot of the people whining have been through this song and dance before. First it's exp boosters. Then it's simple armor. Then it's max level characters. These exp boosters are a sign of things to come.
They need to clarify this. Will these exp pots stack with sub exp bonus, Mara and enlightenment. Also will it be pre cp level 1-50 or will it work for cp exp as well ?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Joe has a point. Dont believe it google "the lord of the rings online store" see what all they sell on there.

Sallington · February 2015

Paid shortcuts is what F2P is all about. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Sallington · February 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

And stats/bonuses thanks to the Champion system.

Sallington · February 2015

I think people are getting caught up on their own personal definitions of P2W.

In my opinion, P2W is anything that you can buy with real money that gives you an advantage over another player. Bonus XP (which translates to bonus CPs) fits that category. It doesn't have to be an "I win" weapon or piece of gear.

Flaminir · February 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion, everyone! We missed a bit of vital information that we intended to go along with that sentence. We’ll be editing the article so the last sentence is more clear.

What that sentence is referring to is we’re still discussing what convenience items we'll also make available for purchase in-game with gold. Nothing is defined yet, though.

Don't know if anybody noticed this earlier in another thread about XP boost potions.... they haven't decided if these will be buyable with in-game gold yet... the road ahead article was.... jumping the gun a little bit!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Sallington wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

And stats/bonuses thanks to the Champion system.

Pay to win means you can buy stuff through the store others cannot get in the game. Since these apparently will be available in the game for some sort of in game currency I dont see it as pay to win.

Snit · February 2015

Akselmo wrote: »

How the hell is XP boost "winning?"

There will be hundreds of threads and tens of thousands of posts about different definitions of the word 'win.'

Personally, I go with Charlie Sheen's version, if only because of that whole 'high priest vatican assassin warlock' thing. Now that's a title they should sell in the Crown Shop.

Tonnopesce · February 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joe has a point. Dont believe it google "the lord of the rings online store" see what all they sell on there.

.................
Dlc
Some sort of in-game currency
insane hig price horse armor pack (we all know that the tes horse armor from oblivion where the best!)
other strange stuff
annd i do not saw nothing exrtremly p2w IMHO

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

And stats/bonuses thanks to the Champion system.

Pay to win means you can buy stuff through the store others cannot get in the game. Since these apparently will be available in the game for some sort of in game currency I dont see it as pay to win.

so what a guar is p2w for you? since you cannot have it in the game?

Flaminir · February 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Pay to win means you can buy stuff through the store others cannot get in the game. Since these apparently will be available in the game for some sort of in game currency I dont see it as pay to win.

@Jamesharv2005ub17_ESO They may not now be available for in-game gold... they've changed the article and now announced that they haven't decided what they are going to sell in game.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joe has a point. Dont believe it google "the lord of the rings online store" see what all they sell on there.

.................
Dlc
Some sort of in-game currency
insane hig price horse armor pack (we all know that the tes horse armor from oblivion where the best!)
other strange stuff
annd i do not saw nothing exrtremly p2w IMHO

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

People fail to understand this. If people buy exp boosts then ZOS will surely start selling armor and everything else. It's a cheap cash grab and it makes me think the game is in serious trouble.

Do you understand anything at all?
If they start selling armor and weapons that make you stronger, then most players will leave the game. ZOS know this, and if you dont understand the logic, then go away, and dont come back to this thread.

XP boosts does NOT give anyone any kind of advantage, so its ok to sell in a store. Items that makes you stronger is a totally different story.

OK. So selling triat gear in the store is ok too, right? Or any rare item currently in the game is not P2W, right? No matter how rare or had to get, correct? As long as its possible for a player in game to get it, then it's not P2W?

Understand, I'm not opposing these changes, just trying to make you'll recognize what it is.

How is selling gear comparable to xp boosts? XP boosts dont give you anything besides XP.

And stats/bonuses thanks to the Champion system.

Pay to win means you can buy stuff through the store others cannot get in the game. Since these apparently will be available in the game for some sort of in game currency I dont see it as pay to win.

so what a guar is p2w for you? since you cannot have it in the game?

A guar or whatever is just cosmetic. So thats all vanity stuff and again not pay to win.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

davedwildebeast wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Pay to win means you can buy stuff through the store others cannot get in the game. Since these apparently will be available in the game for some sort of in game currency I dont see it as pay to win.

@Jamesharv2005ub17_ESO They may not now be available for in-game gold... they've changed the article and now announced that they haven't decided what they are going to sell in game.

For in game gold maybe not. Maybe there will be some other kind of in game currency you can barter for them. For example LOTRO you can earn lothlorien leaves which you can barter for potions, xp boosts etc on a reputation vendor you earn access to by doing quests.