Experience boost potion announced today.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO

Joejudas wrote: »

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

It would be very convenient if i could buy a set of Warlock rings. What do you say...500 crowns each?

This is what I'm getting at. The day those exp boosters hit the Crown Store is the day the game goes down the p2w road.

You obviously don't know what p2w really is if your saying XP potions being added to the store even though they said they could be acquired through in game gold. Your so blind with rage that you can't even see the benefits of being a subscriber.

badmojo

The pay2win'ness of this will be determined by the balance between gold, crowns, real money, and amount of crowns per month.

Example, if they add an xp potion that lasts an hour, and you can't possibly make enough gold in an hour to cover that, then I would consider it p2w. But then the line gets even more blurred with the monthly subscription free crowns. If you have enough monthly crowns to cover the xp potions, people might not consider it p2w. Subscribers are going to need something to spend extra crowns on, xp potions are there, but then it comes down to possibly not buying new mounts and costumes because you're having to spend whatever % of your monthly crowns on xp potions.

As a player from per-release, this doesn't really affect me as much as a new player. But, it seems like exactly the opposite of what I look for in a game. I don't like it when game developers are part of the money making process. Design an awesome game, I'll throw my money at you. Design a game to milk me of money, I'll be bitter about every cent you get.

Joejudas

#NOP2WORBYE

Gidorick

Joejudas wrote: »

#NOP2WORBYE

Does this qualify? If not... what would?

dharbert

XP potions aren't pay to win, but are one step closer. Then again, life in general is pay to win, so you might as well get used to it.

JamilaRaj

Btw, @ZOS_TristanK (I believe ninja edited name of the thread), that was uncalled for. Not only because it equates to P2W announcement, but also because at this rate, at which Matt Firor makes outrageous announcements, he may indeed flat out announce P2W any moment. He could say they have listened to player feedback and decided to implement blatant P2W mechanic and by saying so he would be honest for change, because apparently that part of community that genuinely wants P2W so they could go and pay to win as they are entitled to is growing larger day by day.

wraith808

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Btw, @ZOS_TristanK (I believe ninja edited name of the thread), that was uncalled for.

There was no ninja edit. Clearly in the footer it says:

[Moderator Note: Edited title per our rules on Baiting]

Jando

badmojo wrote: »

Design an awesome game, I'll throw my money at you. Design a game to milk me of money, I'll be bitter about every cent you get.

This is exactly what I keep saying all over this forum.

I wish they would just create great content and sell it for a reasonable price. Is it soo hard??

Joejudas

People complained about the vr system being a gap and being to grindy, so they are giving you all a new shiny system that will make the gap even bigger and will be 1000x more grindy than the vr system on purpose to sell you exp boosters in the cash shop. open your eyes folks this is whats happening. On top of that no new content with its implementation.

Azzuria

People who use XP boosts to get through levels faster, unless they've got alts who've done -everything-, will go back and do low level stuff... for achievements. Because dyes.

I actively -loathe- xp boosts of every kind. XP potions, rest-state, what ever.

reften

Boom pay to win. There it is. You're basically buying cps

Iago

so now they're going to have to experience boosting potions?

Xsorus

I use them in swtor while taking advantage of every other xp boost, same with lotro

Govalon

Alarra wrote: »

Their whole point is that it's only a shortcut. Whether you pay for experience boosts and reach the level cap sooner, or play it slowly and reach it later, you're still going to end up at the exact same level, with the exact same strength weapons and armor - you'll just get there sooner.

This is not true. You will not get to the cap. EVER. You are not supposed to hit the cap, that is the entire point with CP, endleds progression. Those who sub will have permanently 10% more champion points and those who use xp potions will have even more.

riverdragon72

This is exactly how the ddo store started.......

TagaParti

yeah! i can buy anything the game has to offer, so now am i the best player in the game?

Iago

they said the experience boosters and gold boosters would be available in the crown store when they first announced the buy to play during Eso live

Joejudas

Not out right like they did today. I feel like they announced the death of the game today.

Kragorn

Joejudas wrote: »

you dont pay a sub your 10% behind
you dont spend money on these in the crown store, your behind.

But of course this isn't going to affect you as you've been posting every dayt for the last two weeks you see no point in playing after your stats got nerfed and you'll be 'leaving' like so many others you claim will do.

BlueIllyrian

Neizir wrote: »

But seriously guys, please shut up about "pay-to-win"! No item in the crown store could even be CONSIDERED P2W, so I don't know why there's so much fuss about it.

Or you will do what excatly, post your trite comments and dinky gifs until we tire?

It is p2w and it is just the start.

BlueIllyrian

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

It would be very convenient if i could buy a set of Warlock rings. What do you say...500 crowns each?

Now you are talking, one shotting a raid boss would also be very convenient for me, what would be the price for one time use - one shot skill?

BlueIllyrian

Kragorn wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

you dont pay a sub your 10% behind
you dont spend money on these in the crown store, your behind.

But of course this isn't going to affect you as you've been posting every dayt for the last two weeks you see no point in playing after your stats got nerfed and you'll be 'leaving' like so many others you claim will do.

And what makes you think he didn't, posting on this forums is linked to having purchased the game, not to having an active sub.

I avoid logging into this piece of ***** and it is not much of an effort, but since ZOS got my money for Imp edition upgrade I might as well enjoy the forums.

Joejudas

BlueIllyrian wrote: »

Neizir wrote: »

But seriously guys, please shut up about "pay-to-win"! No item in the crown store could even be CONSIDERED P2W, so I don't know why there's so much fuss about it.

Or you will do what xcatly, post your trite comments and dinky gifs until we tire?

It is p2w and it is jsut the start.

those of us who have been around awhile see through this " convenience " smoke and mirrors. i wont be putting anymore money into this game as this is usually the start of a death rattle

Blackmoon777

we are frogs and they are boiling us right now ... very very slow

wOOOOt_of_SD

So what?
You are not left behind - behind in what? Leveling.
Leveling is not a race you can Loose, its just your own time spent in the PVE part of the game.
Leveling up fast to get ahead in the endgame is only an issue in the very beginning of a MMO release. There you can have a slight advantage.

But now 1 year later, 10, 20 or 30% xp boost has no other effect than you getting to max level a Little faster. It has no relevance in comparison to others, since there are already tons of players at max level.

XP boost is not a win button in any way, its only nice to have, not need to have.
There is no way you can get behind if you dont use it. So stop the pointless whining.

Exstazik

Joejudas

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

So what?
You are not left behind - behind in what? Leveling.
Leveling is not a race you can Loose, its just your own time spent in the PVE part of the game.
Leveling up fast to get ahead in the endgame is only an issue in the very beginning of a MMO release. There you can have a slight advantage.

But now 1 year later, 10, 20 or 30% xp boost has no other effect than you getting to max level a Little faster. It has no relevance in comparison to others, since there are already tons of players at max level.

XP boost is not a win button in any way, its only nice to have, not need to have.
There is no way you can get behind if you dont use it. So stop the pointless whining.

so not having an exp boosts makes me have the same exp gain as someone who has it ? cause thats what your saying

Fruitmass

badmojo wrote: »

The pay2win'ness of this will be determined by the balance between gold, crowns, real money, and amount of crowns per month.

Example, if they add an xp potion that lasts an hour, and you can't possibly make enough gold in an hour to cover that, then I would consider it p2w. But then the line gets even more blurred with the monthly subscription free crowns. If you have enough monthly crowns to cover the xp potions, people might not consider it p2w. Subscribers are going to need something to spend extra crowns on, xp potions are there, but then it comes down to possibly not buying new mounts and costumes because you're having to spend whatever % of your monthly crowns on xp potions.

As a player from per-release, this doesn't really affect me as much as a new player. But, it seems like exactly the opposite of what I look for in a game. I don't like it when game developers are part of the money making process. Design an awesome game, I'll throw my money at you. Design a game to milk me of money, I'll be bitter about every cent you get.

Yeah but therein lies the rub, you know there really isn't going to be a good balance. Cash shops are always in favor of those spending real money as opposed to in-game cash exchange. If using gold was going to be feasible then the devs would simply add all the little convenience items into the game as part of the normal content. XP bonus potions from completing pledges or as rare drops from dungeon and world bosses, new mounts would simply be purchasable from stable masters, ect. There'd be no need for the cash shop.

But they know there's going to be a large group of players that would rather shell out real money for boosters than spend the time grinding out the gold to buy them, and they're going to take advantage of that by making it seem like you'd be getting a better deal overall if you just spend the cash. It's time vs. money and money usually wins out.

The only features that really should be available for purchase would be faction/race transfers, character make overs and extra character slots. Convenience items are a clear cash grab regardless of whether or not it can be considered pay to win.

Personally I'm on the fence as to how I feel about the whole situation. Honestly I've been expecting something like this to happen for a while now so I'm not really shocked. Just sad that it hasn't been a full year yet and already we're hitting this point. Still, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll find a balance but I've seen too many games get lost going down this route to have much faith.

Frenkthevile

Apothecy wrote: »

That way, you still have the choice of purchasing them with crowns or in-game gold.

/closethread

Joejudas

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Apothecy wrote: »

That way, you still have the choice of purchasing them with crowns or in-game gold.

/closethread

your still paying to win. The currency is completely irrelevant