fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

When a few non-khajiit here and there are doing it, it's not lore-breaking at all. When more non-khajiit are doing it than khajiit, then it becomes lore-breaking.

Your lore reference for this assertion would be .. what?

Here's one.
Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition/The Elsweyr Confederacy:

Even the Senche-tiger, the largest great cat in existence, has proven to be just another form of the khajiit; these massive beasts can often be found serving as steeds for their more humanoid cousins.

The quote doesn't say that they will only serve as mounts for khajiit (and I've never found any official source anywhere that does - despite having challenged multiple people to find me such a source), but saying that they "can often be found serving as steeds for their more humanoid cousins" implies that it would not be common to find them as steeds for those who are not their more humanoid cousins (ie. khajiit).

my imperial family enslaves khajiit along with other inferior races; and we'll put chains on them and ride whoever we want.

Tapio75 wrote: »

There is that Guar thingy on the store..

I was hoping that if it does not allready have racial restrictions to Argonian, it should have but i am not so strict on this case.. Maybe guar is for all?

Anyways.. To the point. tere will be Senche mount some day sooner or rather later.. When it comes available, no matter how it is obtainable, it needs to be restricted to Khajit only.

"Senche

The Senche is commonly employed by the other Khajiit breeds as a steed, presumably by will. Roughly the same height as the average Altmer, with an average weight comparable to that of twenty Altmer."

-UESP Wiki.

There are however some room for speculation here..

"Senche-raht

Larger and slower than the Senche, the Senche-raht also possess a shorter body-span and straighter legs. The average Senche-raht stands as tall as two Altmer and can weigh as much or more than fifty. Like the Senche, Senche-raht are also employed as steeds, notably in battle, whence they earned the title "battlecats" from Imperial troopers."

-UESP Wiki

Despite the room for speculation, i think that restriction need to be in place for special mounts like these.. They are cool, yes. That is exactly the reason why they should be restricted.. I am pretty sure we dont want everyone eventually riding Khajit sub-species to battle...

Horse needs to be the main mount we ever see in Cyrodil, others should be exeptions on racial or other basis

Okay, I somewhat agree that Racial should determine mount.

For example, Dunmer and Argonian use Guar.

Imperial, Dunmer, High Elf, Breton, Redguard, and Nord use Horse.

Woodelf use some sort of Cat, or maybe a Deer.

And Khajiit should just run on all legs when sprinting.

On a serious note however, I don't think there should be racial restricted. However, maybe do it land alliance restricted?

EbonyPact-Horse and Guar.

AD-Horse and maybe some sort of mountable cat.

Daggerfall-Horse and Maybe a mountable lizard?

KerinKor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lore is intended to support revenue, not block it.

I disagree with your view that the lore says ONLY cats can ride cats .. and I find your final assertion appalling, it's the path Turbine followed with LoTRO and that isn't a place anyone with even a remote love of TES or ESO want's to go.

Yours in the view of Zenimax's bean counters I expect, a terrible, terrible statement to make.

My point was not so much about what the lore says as it is that the lore does not matter when it's in conflict with revenue.

They can get along, but when they are in conflict, lore only wins when revenue decides to agree with lore. A cat mount will be cross race, no matter what lore might have previously said.

There are always exceptions to the rule. Rangers and Druids, for instance...

One could say most horses might take issue with large clawed beasts mounting them to go from point A to point B.

The only restriction will involve $$$.

We're already all the great hero of Tamriel living the exact same life. And then for some reason going into the enemy's territory and helping them out for a while.

I learned a long time ago to allow for plenty of suspension of disbelief when playing MMORPGs or I will drive myself insane.

I sympathize with the original posts idea, but I have to disagree in practicality. Maybe if racial quests existed that could hand out a specific (restricted) reward, but since they don't it's impossible to do this. Faction specific might be more doable.

JKorr wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing in the lore that says that only khajiit can ride senche, although the lore certainly implies that it would be rare at best for a non-khajiit to ride one. So there's no real lore-based reason to restrict them to only khajiit.

Having said that, I don't really like the idea of seeing everyone and their cousin riding senche. When a few non-khajiit here and there are doing it, it's not lore-breaking at all. When more non-khajiit are doing it than khajiit, then it becomes lore-breaking.

I prefer the idea of giving each race a signature mount, or of having mounts such as the senche (I'm not including guar in this category - they are commonly available for purchase in the province of Morrowind) only available after completing a fairly difficult quest. I mean, the lore does say that senche choose their riders as much as their riders choose them, so a quest to gain the loyalty of the senche seems like it would make sense.

It is strongly suggested that asking to ride if you aren't a khajiit wouldn't end well. What annoys me about it is the senche/senche-raht described in the Interview with Three Booksellers is NOT the senche in the game. The senche in the game look like the description of the pahmar/pahmar-raht. This also suggests that they are sentient/not animals. Like the alfiq, they may not speak, but they can understand speech.

When Masser and Secunda are full, the Senche is born. The Senche is very large, but similar to the Pahmar-raht. They stand as tall as an Altmer, and can weigh as much as twenty Altmer. Other Khajiit ride them.

When Masser is full and Secunda is waxing, the Senche-raht is born. The Senche-raht is much larger and slower than the Senche. Their legs are straighter and their body is not as long. They stand as tall as two Altmer and can weigh more than fifty Altmer. These are also ridden, especially in battle. Imperials call them "Battlecats," but again, Jobasha does not suggest calling a Senche-raht a "Battlecat."

When Masser is full and Secunda is new, the Pahmar is born. They are like what you would call a "tiger."

When Masser is full and Secunda is waning, the Pahmar-raht is born. They are like the Pahmar, but larger and more dangerous.

Would a Senche or Senche-raht let another race ride them?

Jobasha:
You may ask one next time you see one. If you are not afraid. Jobasha has never seen such a thing.

Of course, Interview with Three Booksellers is not an official source in any case. It comes from Bethesda employees, but unless something is actually published by a Zenimax company, or published under license (like, say, a book) it's not an official source.

Having said that, even this source doesn't preclude non-khajiit from riding senche. It does support the idea that it would, at best, be very rare for that to happen, though.

Any time the mount is a truly sentient being, though, there's always the possibility that they would choose to let a particular individual ride them, if they felt they had a good reason for it. That's why personally I would like to see a quest to unlock the ability to get a mount such as a senche. Something where you have to earn the senche's trust and gratitude, so that it would make sense that you're allowed to ride it.

Of course, there's also the fact that non-khajiit (including us humans in the real world) have a very difficult time understanding the differences between senche, senche-raht, and senche-tigers. I don't even know which of the three (or if it's an entirely different senche-something) the upcoming mount is supposed to be. It may be an entirely new one that is less picky about its riders.

Great thing about lore is you can change it. They can come up with any reason they want to let us ride motorcycles if they want. It's their lore.

Kaizxen wrote: »

If the Khajiit have domesticated Senche as mounts, why would they not sell them to the other races?

IF they're limited, mounts should be restricted by alliance, not by race.

I don't think they should be limited at all.

Lore wise, Senche are Khajiit. That's the crux of the issue here.

Well, i just hope then, that we never see Senche as mount.

It really is ridiculous entitlement issue that some of you think that money should buy anything.

If i got one, i naturally would use it on my Khajit, but horse is a horse...

Lore never said as far as i know that we cant ride dragons either.. We dont see them at this era, but who knows what funny way people find to justify that one can fly around Tamriel in the back of a dragon ^^

Racial restriction is veryy good indeed, just a slap on the face you people need who just want Tamriel full of mounts that essentially are rare to find.

How many Senche mounts have you seen so far in the TES? Guar similar but they are no way comparable to senche, they are plenty and allready used in various tasks.

As i said, i have no problem seeing one riding a Senche in occasion, but when it gets to point that you see few on every hour you play, it is plain ridiculous.

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Great thing about lore is you can change it. They can come up with any reason they want to let us ride motorcycles if they want. It's their lore.

Actually it isn't, it's Bethesda's.