Regarding special mounts, need racial restrictions. Especially Senche

Tapio75 · February 2015

There is that Guar thingy on the store..

I was hoping that if it does not allready have racial restrictions to Argonian, it should have but i am not so strict on this case.. Maybe guar is for all?

Anyways.. To the point. tere will be Senche mount some day sooner or rather later.. When it comes available, no matter how it is obtainable, it needs to be restricted to Khajit only.

"Senche

The Senche is commonly employed by the other Khajiit breeds as a steed, presumably by will. Roughly the same height as the average Altmer, with an average weight comparable to that of twenty Altmer."

-UESP Wiki.

There are however some room for speculation here..

"Senche-raht

Larger and slower than the Senche, the Senche-raht also possess a shorter body-span and straighter legs. The average Senche-raht stands as tall as two Altmer and can weigh as much or more than fifty. Like the Senche, Senche-raht are also employed as steeds, notably in battle, whence they earned the title "battlecats" from Imperial troopers."

-UESP Wiki

Despite the room for speculation, i think that restriction need to be in place for special mounts like these.. They are cool, yes. That is exactly the reason why they should be restricted.. I am pretty sure we dont want everyone eventually riding Khajit sub-species to battle...

Horse needs to be the main mount we ever see in Cyrodil, others should be exeptions on racial or other basis

Rosveen · February 2015

Argonians? Dunmer ride them too.

Anyway, senche probably won't be actual senche, just senche-tigers we can already see in the game. They're regular animals, not Khajiit (except some that behave somewhat differently, those might be Khajiit). So no racial restrictions needed.

It isn't my preferred solution, but these two types of senche are well-established within ESO lore, so they might as well continue.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

Which restriction?
There is a huge difference between "Kajiit use Senche as steeds" and "Senche only ever submit to Kajiit".

As for the "Battlecat" He-Man had one of those and he was a nord for sure!

Snowstrider · February 2015

No

No racial restrictions!
Anyway i am glad they are finally listening to more nonhorse mounts.
I want a sabrecat pls

rawne1980b16_ESO · February 2015

Sadly they can't put restrictions on mounts sold in the crown store.

The whole point of the store is to add to revenue, limiting sales will not increase revenue by that much.

As much as you may disagree, every mount will be purchasable by every player for every character in the game.

Tapio75 · February 2015

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Sadly they can't put restrictions on mounts sold in the crown store.

The whole point of the store is to add to revenue, limiting sales will not increase revenue by that much.

As much as you may disagree, every mount will be purchasable by every player for every character in the game.

So profit over lore?

No game developer should ever be that stupid. Mount restrictions are not anything new to MMORPG.

And while i also would like to ride these cats with my human.. No. Having these kinds of mounts to everyone will only end up to WOW syndrome. In case of that game, everyone flying a some sort of dragon which should be rare in the lore.. It looks stupid and only annoys at leas me.

Why is it that people want to have all the cool thins, no matter how much nonsense it would be according to lore. Restrain yourselves. If no restrictions, please never allow these cats as mounts or perphaps give them as 2 year loyalty bonus.

rawne1980b16_ESO · February 2015

Tapio75 wrote: »

So profit over lore?

No game developer should ever be that stupid. Mount restrictions are not anything new to MMORPG.

Of course it is.

Mount restrictions only apply to in game mounts. Cash shop mounts are generally usable by anybody.

No company would restrict income, that would be the worst business decision they could make.

Make no mistake, this IS a business. They are here to make money, mounts will make them money, they won't restrict them.

TheShadowScout · February 2015

The one possible option is to have a "Racial mount" purchasable in the crown store, which will unlock a special mount appereance per race. For Khajiit, that could be a senche... for Argonians, who knows, maybe a wammasu? Dunmer could get some insect mount (remember the taxis in "Morrowind"?), Nords... a bear?

No matter what,. once you buy that mount appereance in the store, wach of your characters would be allowed to choose their racial visuals for their mounts.

Not sure if coding all that would really be worth it -just- so tigers stay Khajiit-exclusive...

Jitterbug · February 2015

Wolfsspinne wrote: »

As for the "Battlecat" He-Man had one of those and he was a nord for sure!

effeminate breton if I ever saw one

Tapio75 · February 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Not sure if coding all that would really be worth it -just- so tigers stay Khajiit-exclusive...

Should be easy, variables required for specified action are basics of programming. Some people even learn that in normal school.. In simplest form possible yes, but still

KerinKor · February 2015

Tapio75 wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Sadly they can't put restrictions on mounts sold in the crown store.

The whole point of the store is to add to revenue, limiting sales will not increase revenue by that much.

As much as you may disagree, every mount will be purchasable by every player for every character in the game.

So profit over lore?

Please cite the lore that's being ignored here? Please cite a TES document where it's stated these cats can ONLY be ridden by other cats, if you can't you have no case.

Faugaun · February 2015

Tapio75 wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Sadly they can't put restrictions on mounts sold in the crown store.

The whole point of the store is to add to revenue, limiting sales will not increase revenue by that much.

As much as you may disagree, every mount will be purchasable by every player for every character in the game.

So profit over lore?

No game developer should ever be that stupid. Mount restrictions are not anything new to MMORPG.

And while i also would like to ride these cats with my human.. No. Having these kinds of mounts to everyone will only end up to WOW syndrome. In case of that game, everyone flying a some sort of dragon which should be rare in the lore.. It looks stupid and only annoys at leas me.

Why is it that people want to have all the cool thins, no matter how much nonsense it would be according to lore. Restrain yourselves. If no restrictions, please never allow these cats as mounts or perphaps give them as 2 year loyalty bonus.

Because givening them to everyone won't result in everyone on one...

Faugaun · February 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The one possible option is to have a "Racial mount" purchasable in the crown store, which will unlock a special mount appereance per race. For Khajiit, that could be a senche... for Argonians, who knows, maybe a wammasu? Dunmer could get some insect mount (remember the taxis in "Morrowind"?), Nords... a bear? No matter what,. once you buy that mount appereance in the store, wach of your characters would be allowed to choose their racial visuals for their mounts.

Not sure if coding all that would really be worth it -just- so tigers stay Khajiit-exclusive...

This would be a really cool item, just sayin

dharbert · February 2015

So, you think that races other than Khajit being able to ride Senche is lore-breaking. What about armies of obese undead male nords in wedding dresses? Yeah, that's going to happen too.....

technohic · February 2015

dharbert wrote: »

So, you think that races other than Khajit being able to ride Senche is lore-breaking. What about armies of obese undead male nords in wedding dresses? Yeah, that's going to happen too.....

Don't judge.

Elsonso · February 2015

I agree that, per TES lore, it would appear that Khajiit mounts should be ridden by Khajiit, but in the Crown Store they want all purchased content to be usable immediately and they want all mounts to be account wide.

A cat mount will be far too popular in the Crown Store for them to even consider a restriction. You do not want to be the Loremaster standing between the accountants and the bank on this one.

Instead, the Loremaster will simply say that normally these mounts are ridden only by Khajiit. In this time of war, hundreds of years before the events in TES, the mounts were ridden by all as an effective means for transport, for those who could afford them.

Lore is intended to support revenue, not block it.

KerinKor · February 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Lore is intended to support revenue, not block it.

I disagree with your view that the lore says ONLY cats can ride cats .. and I find your final assertion appalling, it's the path Turbine followed with LoTRO and that isn't a place anyone with even a remote love of TES or ESO want's to go.

Yours in the view of Zenimax's bean counters I expect, a terrible, terrible statement to make.

Tapio75 · February 2015

All in all, i just want mounts to primarily stay as horses. Yes there are other stupid things in the store but i think that wedding dress for everyone is not as popular as people seem to believe.

I remember reading about Senche and how they only allow few riders to mount them.. There are many books in the whole game and searching that is impossible if luck does not strike.. Beside every fact that is stated somewhere is countered by people who just want to look cool and ride dragons or cats.

Not long goes and they start asking a flying mounts again.. To the store naturally.

At least make senche and special mounts that are not horses to be so expensive that you really need many moths to collect crowns or amount of money that most of us will be considering hard before spending it.

BBSooner · February 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Sadly they can't put restrictions on mounts sold in the crown store.

The whole point of the store is to add to revenue, limiting sales will not increase revenue by that much.

As much as you may disagree, every mount will be purchasable by every player for every character in the game.

So profit over lore?

Please cite the lore that's being ignored here? Please cite a TES document where it's stated these cats can ONLY be ridden by other cats, if you can't you have no case.

Imo it's a similar situation to the question of "what races could use the thu'um in eso". From a lore perspective it's open to the possibility and likelihood that all races can learn the thu'um (just like how it's probably possible all races could learn to commune with and ride a senche). However the history as currently displayed shows the overwhelmingly vast majority (all sans 1 - not including our TES:V character) were Nord. So, if thu'um were to be added and we had 2000 thu'um wielding characters in Cyrodiil it could fit within the loopholes of 1.) Interregnum, 2.) Lore says possible (even if implausible).

This same situation, imo, applies to senche riding. Lore says other Khajiit rode senche, but doesn't explicitly say they refused other races. So sure, that sliver of possibility is present and it could be true that 2000 senche riders from all races fought it out in Cyrodiil since it fits the same 2 loopholes of 1.) Interregnum, 2.) Lore says possible (even if implausible).

However when something fits simply within those 2 loopholes I personally find the addition cheesy. But, as stated above, we can now be male stage 4 vampire orcs wearing a wedding dress, riding a guar, followed by a panther pet - which fits the same loopholes of 1.) Interregnum, 2.) Lore says possible (even if implausible). So who knows, eventually we may be that same orc riding a senche instead of a guar that hops off and throws a fus ro dah at a group of enemies on our way to fight a dragon just before we hop in the next jyggalag instance.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · February 2015

you think zos will make a cash shop mount and only sell em to a very small part of the player base....?

and it better look like this

LtCrunch · February 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

you think zos will make a cash shop mount and only sell em to a very small part of the player base....?

and it better look like this

Basically a cat-mammoth. Do want.

UrQuan · February 2015

There's absolutely nothing in the lore that says that only khajiit can ride senche, although the lore certainly implies that it would be rare at best for a non-khajiit to ride one. So there's no real lore-based reason to restrict them to only khajiit.

Having said that, I don't really like the idea of seeing everyone and their cousin riding senche. When a few non-khajiit here and there are doing it, it's not lore-breaking at all. When more non-khajiit are doing it than khajiit, then it becomes lore-breaking.

I prefer the idea of giving each race a signature mount, or of having mounts such as the senche (I'm not including guar in this category - they are commonly available for purchase in the province of Morrowind) only available after completing a fairly difficult quest. I mean, the lore does say that senche choose their riders as much as their riders choose them, so a quest to gain the loyalty of the senche seems like it would make sense.

Tapio75 · February 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing in the lore that says that only khajiit can ride senche, although the lore certainly implies that it would be rare at best for a non-khajiit to ride one. So there's no real lore-based reason to restrict them to only khajiit.

Having said that, I don't really like the idea of seeing everyone and their cousin riding senche. When a few non-khajiit here and there are doing it, it's not lore-breaking at all. When more non-khajiit are doing it than khajiit, then it becomes lore-breaking.

I prefer the idea of giving each race a signature mount, or of having mounts such as the senche (I'm not including guar in this category - they are commonly available for purchase in the province of Morrowind) only available after completing a fairly difficult quest. I mean, the lore does say that senche choose their riders as much as their riders choose them, so a quest to gain the loyalty of the senche seems like it would make sense.

Lot of insight you have there, especially the bolded part.

Yes, my impression is, that Senche would not allow just anyone to ride them. They are sentient species like other Khajit we play. They are not just animals like Guar.. Even while some Argonians seem to think them as integral part of family, still as work animals.

I only wish that horses are kept as the main mount in ESO. have them sell many different breeds with different characteristics like real horses. Guar fits here too, i am not that much against seeung them and i font see too many using them in the end..

But as cool mounts as MMO people put it, come to shop. They should be cool but nothing that makes game scenery ridiculous by filling too many players with too many characters with Senche. I do hope Senche are available to player eventually.. but i also hope that they are something that are given to few players only.. So that it will be much like Swift Zulian tiger in WOW. They are rare and in occasion you see someone riding them.. But they should not be something you see even every week.

AaronMB · February 2015

I didn't read many of the replies but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed that your own quotes serve to demonstrate that these mounts were common to the Khajit - nothing about them being only used by the Khajit or the Senches being uncommon for other races.

Tapio75 · February 2015

You just say so, since you want to ride Senche like too many others, no regards to anything else.

BBSooner · February 2015

AaronMB wrote: »

I didn't read many of the replies but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed that your own quotes serve to demonstrate that these mounts were common to the Khajit - nothing about them being only used by the Khajit or the Senches being uncommon for other races.

So you would take the stance that a nord on a senche mount is not uncommon to find roaming Windhelm, or not uncommon to find a Breton riding a senche down the streets of Daggerfall? Or even to have whole armies clashing in northern Cyrodiil where the majority of dunmer and redguards rode senche?

Metrobius · February 2015

As a tax paying dunmer who is currently being forced to ally with so many of you lisping, moonsugar addled layabout slave-stock, I am offended that you suggest that I shouldnt be allowed to subjugate these filthy Kajiit who ARE NOT protected by any major faction in Tamriel. Next thing you know, I wont be allowed to beat tamed guar to death with a sack full of kittens.

AlexDougherty · February 2015

Metrobius wrote: »

As a tax paying dunmer who is currently being forced to ally with so many of you lisping, moonsugar addled layabout slave-stock, I am offended that you suggest that I shouldnt be allowed to subjugate these filthy Kajiit who ARE NOT protected by any major faction in Tamriel. Next thing you know, I wont be allowed to beat tamed guar to death with a sack full of kittens.

Hey, leave both the nice Guar and the Kittens alone, back away slowly, or my Khajiit Templar will start running around with a Dunmer Skin Hat.

Nobody messes with Kitty.

timidobserver · February 2015

Pretty much everyone in the player base that is willing to spend money in the crown store is going to buy a guar and a senche. Why would ZOS reduce that number from all willing spenders to all willing spenders who also have the correct race.

AlexDougherty · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Pretty much everyone in the player base that is willing to spend money in the crown store is going to buy a guar and a senche. Why would ZOS reduce that number from all willing spenders to all willing spenders who also have the correct race.

Well yes, but I want one for my Khajiit Templar, I want a Guar for my Dunmer Dragonknight, a Bear for my Orc NightBlade (maybe for my Nord Dragonknight too).

The rest will be on horses still.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · February 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

When a few non-khajiit here and there are doing it, it's not lore-breaking at all. When more non-khajiit are doing it than khajiit, then it becomes lore-breaking.

Your lore reference for this assertion would be .. what?