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Is anyone afraid of what will happen to this community when f2p/b2p comes?
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✭My main concern is not so much the people coming in but the people leaving from either 1.6 changes or any future changes they don't agree with. There are some people who will choose to kill time at work trolling the forums of a game that they perceive slighted them in some manner after "quitting". Since there is no "quitting" in B2P these (admittedly probably few) individuals will just let their bitter feelings fester on the forums long after they decided to stop logging in - probably from a mixture of resentment and not being able to cope with "hurt feelings"/disappointment.
Even if this had been bugged in the past the forum design was at least to intend for an active sub be paid - which would likely deter at least a few of this already small bunch of people.Edited by BBSooner on February 4, 2015 2:59PM1 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭I am afraid we will start seeing more names and such like
"Kirito" and "Asuna"
SAO sucked .... now the forums will definitely move into that anime territory with the names and such...
We will have a lot of dual wielders jumping into the game thats for sure
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YstradClud✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Oh noes. the community is going to the pack. We have guys with x before and after their name..|Pascweten| Breton Templar PC NA
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10 MMOs at the same time?
This is a sad time when someone can play 10 games when once upon a time each single mmo was so enthralling it was impossible to play more than one at a time.
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Haha true, I suppose. But ever since I developed this mmo addiction I've become mmo ADD! I have a bad case of Altoholism too.0 -
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Haha true, I suppose. But ever since I developed this mmo addiction I've become mmo ADD! I have a bad case of Altoholism too.[/quote]
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Q.E.D.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Oh noes. the community is going to the pack. We have guys with x before and after their name..0 -
@stewhead2ub17_ESO
I've always been a hardcore casual. I don't play much because of life, but I have hardcore tastes and I expect games to last me for years.
I don't think that the community will be much impacted by the switch to b2p/f2p, but I'm definitely looking for a replacement game.
I have no interest investing myself in a game that will be not even worth the time spent in a few months.0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »I'm a tad bit concerned with what's going to happen to this well matured community when it goes into F2P/B2P. I'm concerned because most F2P games usually get a bad reputation with the community because it becomes very toxic, very fast. And because this game is subscription based currently, this means that the adults way out weight the children in numbers currently, and obviously this won't last when it goes into f2p/b2p.
What are your guy's thoughts on this? Does anyone share my concern about this?
Cause these forums were always sparking with intelligent civilized conversations and friendly witty banter about gameplay with subscription only people posting, instead of basic meandering arguments and trolling?5 -
dietlime✭✭✭✭Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »I'm a tad bit concerned with what's going to happen to this well matured community when it goes into F2P/B2P. I'm concerned because most F2P games usually get a bad reputation with the community because it becomes very toxic, very fast. And because this game is subscription based currently, this means that the adults way out weight the children in numbers currently, and obviously this won't last when it goes into f2p/b2p.
What are your guy's thoughts on this? Does anyone share my concern about this?
No. Maybe we can get some people in here who aren't caustic doomsayers.
Maybe I can actually play the game as intended rather than in strict trinity.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If one looks at the boards for the other Elder Scrolls games, where the only requirement for posting is to have a valid email address, the forums over there are quite sane. Some of that has to do with the Moderators, but more so, it's the people who make the community what it is. The moderators do their job by shutting down the trolls and flamers and other people just talk about the game.
So, I think we will get an influx of trolls, but they will be crowded out by people who just want to talk about the game.Edited by Nestor on February 4, 2015 3:34PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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dietlime✭✭✭✭The community is what you make of it. There will still be good people, and more will join them. There will be a fair sprinkling of immaturity, to say the least, but it won't be as bad as a lot of other F2P games, I think.
I"m hoping between the Angry Joe reviews, and WoW, most kiddo's will choose to stay away. Plus there is still the initial purchase.
My best advice would be to stick to PC version if it really concerns you. I'll make an uneducated guess and say that console versions will be slightly more toxic.
Edit: Reworded first paragraph, for Joe.
Hey nice ageism! In my experience 12 year olds are more mature about video games than most 20 year olds these days. For some reason the 90's batch has totally unrealistic expectations and an extreme know-it-all attitude.
If you think the community is going to get worse, you haven't played a pug in a while.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, considering that B2P meant I had several friends and family ready to jump in makes it ok for me. I will pay a sub, but they won't . They are willing to buy the game though, and I hope it stays B2P and never goes F2P."Get off my lawn!"2 -
dietlime✭✭✭✭This! TWO thousand times this! I literally own three copies of the game, two of which I can't use because *** $45 a month just to play one game with three players is ***. I have half a dozen friends and two relatives that are all going to start playing again, and that's sweet.1
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rotaugen454 wrote: »Well, considering that B2P meant I had several friends and family ready to jump in makes it ok for me. I will pay a sub, but they won't . They are willing to buy the game though, and I hope it stays B2P and never goes F2P.
It will have to.
Once they have received all the money from people like your friends and familly, they will need to exploit new alternative resources.
And that means appealing to people that wouldn't pay the box price at $60 but would buy a couple DLC at $20 if they could play for free.0 -
VampiricOmen✭✭✭I haven't played since Craglorn, but the community wasn't full of angels to begin with. That being said, it was one of the best communities I have been a part of, and certainly one of the less toxic ones. Zone chat was never particularily pleasant, but nobody was forced to read it. If anything I think a B2P model will encourage a wider variety of people to play, whether that's for better or for worse is yet to be seen. As someone who is returning because the game model is changing, I have hopes that the community is on some level still relatively pleasant, I might fly solo for the most part but playing around a lot of negativity isn't fun.0 -
AlayneStone✭✭✭I don't think it will be that bad, think more of the younger group will play on the consoles, I don't know many kids that bother to much with computers but I do know a ton who own a brand new ps4 or xbox1.0 -
Kerioko✭✭✭✭I am a member of a guild that has about 100 members....We have a very indepth recruitment policy and require members to be over 30....We have TS and our own website to communicate with each other, and don't really pay attention to what goes on in zone chat, and I don't think we will change our ways in 1.6. We run weekly content and often pug a few people, and if they end up as elitists or trolls, we kick them and find others.
I think this is what makes a good community is finding that group you like to play with and just ignore all the BS.Dinosaur Chicken Nuggets - Argonian mNB Tank/Heals (PVP)
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the method of payment probably has nothing to do with the community. the only trend i have ever seen, is as MMOs become more fisher-price age level in difficulty, the less people need of each other. since we have no dire need for each other theres no need to worry about losing contact with each other, which breeds a lack of consequence to actions. since one doesn't have to worry about being offensive, then they will likely feel more inclined to offend others.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭This community already consists mostly of teenagers alike. I don't think the community will change at all. People adjust to the environment, and are affected by each other.0
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rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »Far better those than the names I see with the facile 'x' at the beginning and end.
I'm waiting to see xASSASINx complete with caps and spelling error.
There is always one.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »10 MMOs at the same time?
This is a sad time when someone can play 10 games when once upon a time each single mmo was so enthralling it was impossible to play more than one at a time.
I have 5 games on the go, 3 MMO's, Planetside 2 and Warframe, on top of this.
There was a time I used to play 1 MMO at a time but I get burnt out playing the same game over and over and over. I have to spread my time between games or I end up leaving them after a few months.Edited by rawne1980b16_ESO on February 5, 2015 10:10AM1 -
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Right now I have active characters, by which I mean I play them at least once a week, in: WOW, Rift, FFXI, FFXIV, GW2, LoTRO, ESO, SW:TORfrosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Honestly, I don't think the sub model makes a difference. I dabble in 10 mmo's currently, some have subs others b2p and f2p and I haven't noticed any real difference. There are good people and *** everywhere. The sub model doesn't matter imo.
10 MMOs at the same time?
This is a sad time when someone can play 10 games when once upon a time each single mmo was so enthralling it was impossible to play more than one at a time.
Of course I don't play them all every day.
Last year I mainly played ESO and FFXI, I re-focused on WOW in November when the WOD expansion came out but not I've done my initial leveling and 'progression' work on my 8 level 100s there so I've picked up ESO as my main focus for a bit, especially until 1.6 comes out.
Rift is my second focus, still working on my first 65 after starting on the 3.0 expansion some time after release.
However, I'm still working on my 7th level 80 in GW2 while grinding my Mythic in FFXI and second Epic in FFXIV. In SW:TOR I really only log in for an hour or so to keep in touch with some friends, but I do go and group with them if they need a hand.
Thing is, there's no MMO in existence that can possible 'enthrall' me continuously year in year out, I really don't understand why call that 'sad'. NO GAME EVER has done that, it is just "this is a sad time".Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on February 5, 2015 12:24PM0 -
Mercutio✭✭✭✭I believe that if one expects the (hopeful) influx of new players to be immature, trollish mouth breathers that is what will be found.
Likewise, if you are looking for great new players who, for whatever reason, started playing because of the change in payment model, then you may make a lot of new friends.
Separate forums? Why stop there? What if we forced everyone who is not subscribed to have a flashing, neon '-$' sign over their head? Then we could easily spot the human refuse and not have to interact with them at all!
This Subscriber > Non Subscriber mentality is, quite frankly, ridiculous and smacks of petty elitism. Does anyone truly think that they have the moral high ground because they pay fifteen bucks a month? Is that truly the measure of your worth? If so you need to find new sources of personal affirmation.
It's a game. Treat all your fellow players with respect and kindness and you'll be amazed at the results.The problem with arguing with a jackass is that they never stop braying.
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Okay, this is going to sound like grumpy old man nostalgia, but hear me out.
Maybe it was because of the lack of choice back then, but I have never had the ability to play more than one MMO seriously. I lead guilds, even alliances sometimes and I do roleplay when there is a strong enough population to do it.
The social hooks made it imposible to be part of more than one community and the games had enough replayability to keep you going for years.
Nowadays, MMOs no longer are MMOs and aren't addressed to MMO players anymore.
With instancing and non interaction between players, there are little social hooks that can still exist. Their themepark content based approach is not sustainable for most companies and the games can be "finished".
One of the last true MMO in existence is Eve Online. ESO had some potential with implementing RvR, but they droped that concept since launch and I doubt we'll see it fulfilled with the new model change.
If you can feel satisfied playing 10 "MMOs" without getting involved in any of them, all the more power to you, but if I wanted a solo game to pass time, I have plenty in my steam library.
Take a read of this to understand a bit more:
http://mud.co.uk/richard/The Decline of MMOs.pdf
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cesmode✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »I'm afraid the community will no longer have spirited, friendly discussions and all posts will devolve into heated arguments and endless trolling.
oh wait....
Pretty much this...I think that people will split hairs with ZOS and always find something to cry about when there isn't anything to cry about.
Other than that? No, business as usual. This place will endure.1 -
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I don't play MMOs to play with large numbers of other people, I play them with a few friends .. if ESO was a multi-player co-op TES 6 then I'd be more than happy. In games like WOW, other players are competition, not co-operation, even in ESO there are times when other players are a hindrance in preventing me progressing, far worse in games with old-style mob 'claiming' or 'tapping' mechanics.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »but if I wanted a solo game to pass time, I have plenty in my steam library.
I play other MMOs entirely solo because most of them are far larger and have far more content that I enjoy doing and re-doing than off-line games ever do .. even TES games are finite because in spite of their being a million add-ons for Morrowing, Oblivion and Skyrim, when it comes down to it only a handful are actually appealing.
And of course, none of those game were officially supported by content updated even two years after release, let alone 11 years in the case of FFXI, 10 years for WOW, approaching 8 years for LOTRO , etc.
There are many reasons 'soloers' enjoy MMOs, and to be frank, it's the hardcore groupers that are usually be biggest turn-off of group content for me.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on February 5, 2015 1:54PM2 -
It's not about groupers or solo, it's about player interaction.
You aren't an MMO player, you just enjoy RPGs and themepark MMOs provide you with the content you enjoy.
You are colateral damage.2
