How soon you get bored with Justice System?

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    Besides what I needed to do for the Thieves guild quests i've never been much into stealing in any of the other Elder Scrolls games. I didn't kill friendly or neutral NPC's outside of Dark Brotherhood quests either.

    I know many people wanted the justice system but it's not something i've personally got any interest in.

    The only reason i'm happy it's here is because i'm hoping it's a precursor to DB and Thieves.

    As for the justice system itself, it doesn't interest me.

    Even from an RP aspect, my Nightblade is a Ranger so wouldn't be killing NPC's or robbing things in towns.

    That's very much my overall view too.

    The only thing I would add is a concern at the effect any eventual addition of PvP to the Justice System will have on the atmosphere outside of Cyrodil. Taking an extreme example, I really don't want to have to run through a town filled with naked PvPers exploiting the NPC guards and filling the chat window with epeen-talk, but if we can avoid that kind of extreme scenario then PvP may well have a decent place in the Justice System - which certainly can't be judged without it at this stage.
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    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    I can wait longer.

    The longer they keep it on the PTS the better it will be.

    And the longer they keep it on the PTS the more mats I can grab from towns before I have to stop taking them.

    Well if they dont hurry up and publish this they will again fail on a promise. This time they promised us this would go live before the March 17th B2P switch. Fact is my characters have been in limbo for two months. Its time to stop tweaking crap and put it out. They have had months and months to work on this.

    Also those mats you are collecting are going to be worthless anyways unless you want to sell em to a vendor for 10g each.
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    There is already mass hysteria. If they go live with a bunch of bugs and glitches, the mob will go into a frenzy and make things even worse. There will be bugs anyways of course, but give the PTS some time to do it's job. They have already found a bunch of problems and fixed then with 1.6.1

    It's a major overhaul and it's only been on the PTS for a week. Give it some time.

    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    They have been working on it for months, but it's only been tested by the community for a week. That's why MMOs have a PTS - Public Test Server.
    If you want to contribute and speed things up, then feel free to download it and contribute to the test.

    Edited by Alphashado on February 4, 2015 5:51PM
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    Also those mats you are collecting are going to be worthless anyways unless you want to sell em to a vendor for 10g each.

    Once again, we have FUD. What they said was that they were going to convert many mats and recipes, and the ones that no longer have use as the materials are going to be consolidated would become stale. They didn't say all mats. They also didn't say what they're going to do to compensate the players for the mats that go stale- so no idea where the 10g is coming from. Some of them are not even worth any gold currently.
    Edited by wraith808 on February 4, 2015 5:53PM
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Alphashado wrote: »
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    There is already mass hysteria. If they go live with a bunch of bugs and glitches, the mob will go into a frenzy and make things even worse. There will be bugs anyways of course, but give the PTS some time to do it's job. They have already found a bunch of problems and fixed then with 1.6.1

    It's a major overhaul and it's only been on the PTS for a week. Give it some time.

    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    They have been working on it for months, but it's only been tested by the community for a week. That's why MMOs have a PTS - Public Test Server.
    If you want to contribute and speed things up, then feel free to download it and contribute to the test.

    So the community has to test it now for how long? How will me logging in speed anything up? I have been on PTS its ready to go live. There are minor bugs yes mainly with high end trials and pvp. That stuff ALWAYS has bugs and balancing is an ongoing issue that me logging into PTS wont help speed up.

    Fact is if they dont hurry up and publish this live what few people they do have left will find someplace else to go. Enough delay. We have been waiting since summer.
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    ... since ... summer?

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    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.

    I think this preview is hardly a "test". This can easily be done on live. Its just players playing the game. I bet if you check less than 0.1% ever bother putting in a bug report. Meanwhile all the people on live are stuck because they arent tracking our progress. Id prefer to actually be able to play the game rather than waiting and waiting. They announced the Justice system and showed previews of it in July of last year. How much longer is this going to take?
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    Tandor wrote: »
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.

    I think this preview is hardly a "test". This can easily be done on live. Its just players playing the game. I bet if you check less than 0.1% ever bother putting in a bug report. Meanwhile all the people on live are stuck because they arent tracking our progress. Id prefer to actually be able to play the game rather than waiting and waiting. They announced the Justice system and showed previews of it in July of last year. How much longer is this going to take?


    These are all the issues they have already found and fixed within less than a week on the PTS because of the community testing the content. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149987/pts-patch-notes-v1-6-1/p1

    That patch was the result of only 5 days on the PTS and look how huge it is.

    Many changes were made including changes to the Justice System which is the OP of this thread currently getting derailed. Give the PTS time to do what it's designed to do - Find the majority of issues before it goes live.
    Edited by Alphashado on February 4, 2015 6:21PM
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.

    I think this preview is hardly a "test". This can easily be done on live. Its just players playing the game. I bet if you check less than 0.1% ever bother putting in a bug report. Meanwhile all the people on live are stuck because they arent tracking our progress. Id prefer to actually be able to play the game rather than waiting and waiting. They announced the Justice system and showed previews of it in July of last year. How much longer is this going to take?


    These are all the issues they have already found and fixed within less than a week on the PTS because of the community testing the content. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149987/pts-patch-notes-v1-6-1/p1

    That patch was the result of only 5 days on the PTS and look how huge it is.

    Many changes were made including changes to the Justice System which is the OP of this thread currently getting derailed. Give the PTS time to do what it's designed to do - Find the majority of issues before it goes live.

    I think its cute how you believe all that stuff was community based lol. Like they found all that stuff AND fixed it in a week. More likely very little to none of it was reported during the PTS phase and were bugs they already knew about and had fixes in the works for.
  • Alphashado
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.

    I think this preview is hardly a "test". This can easily be done on live. Its just players playing the game. I bet if you check less than 0.1% ever bother putting in a bug report. Meanwhile all the people on live are stuck because they arent tracking our progress. Id prefer to actually be able to play the game rather than waiting and waiting. They announced the Justice system and showed previews of it in July of last year. How much longer is this going to take?


    These are all the issues they have already found and fixed within less than a week on the PTS because of the community testing the content. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149987/pts-patch-notes-v1-6-1/p1

    That patch was the result of only 5 days on the PTS and look how huge it is.

    Many changes were made including changes to the Justice System which is the OP of this thread currently getting derailed. Give the PTS time to do what it's designed to do - Find the majority of issues before it goes live.

    I think its cute how you believe all that stuff was community based lol. Like they found all that stuff AND fixed it in a week. More likely very little to none of it was reported during the PTS phase and were bugs they already knew about and had fixes in the works for.

    This thread is about the justice system and whether or not you think it will be boring after a while. I will not discuss anymore off topic issues with you. You have your opinion and you have voiced it quite loudly and rudely.

    In regards to the topic of the thread, I encourage anyone who is curious about the justice system to DL the PTS and play around with it some.

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    I must admit that I don't see the point of the JS without the pvp aspect. Ok a guard can kill me, but this is nothing special. I can also get killed by doing a story line quest, so why should I fight guards in towns?

    Another aspect is, why should I kill NPCs that have no real purpose than just being bait?

    A justice system to me is a system where I witness a crime and then step in and kill the person who did commit it. Or I get the task to steal a ring and on my way another player scouts me and we battle for that ring.

    You know, an interactive system where the unexpected can happen. A PVE justice system however is a scripted environment, that's just not a lot.


    My biggest concern right now is the fact that spell weaving is on hold right now and might never come. Could this also apply to the justice systems pvp part? As someone else said, it would be soulless.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Alphashado wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I wish they would publish his 1.6 update already to the live servers. We have been waiting far too long already.

    There are still a lot of things to Iron out before it goes live.

    There is always crap to iron out. Nothing will ever be perfect. They can push this live and work on it until Fall because we dont get any new content at all until well after the console launch. All this balancing etc for PVP will never be perfect anyways.

    I'd rather they took their time and got it right, rather than have to put up with even more hate posts on the forums about how they rushed it and got it all wrong.

    They have already had months. How much longer do you think? A year? 6 months?

    We're talking about transferring 1.6 from PTS to Live. They've had a couple of weeks for testing by NA players, a few days for testing by EU players.

    I think this preview is hardly a "test". This can easily be done on live. Its just players playing the game. I bet if you check less than 0.1% ever bother putting in a bug report. Meanwhile all the people on live are stuck because they arent tracking our progress. Id prefer to actually be able to play the game rather than waiting and waiting. They announced the Justice system and showed previews of it in July of last year. How much longer is this going to take?


    These are all the issues they have already found and fixed within less than a week on the PTS because of the community testing the content. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149987/pts-patch-notes-v1-6-1/p1

    That patch was the result of only 5 days on the PTS and look how huge it is.

    Many changes were made including changes to the Justice System which is the OP of this thread currently getting derailed. Give the PTS time to do what it's designed to do - Find the majority of issues before it goes live.

    I think its cute how you believe all that stuff was community based lol. Like they found all that stuff AND fixed it in a week. More likely very little to none of it was reported during the PTS phase and were bugs they already knew about and had fixes in the works for.

    This thread is about the justice system and whether or not you think it will be boring after a while. I will not discuss anymore off topic issues with you. You have your opinion and you have voiced it quite loudly and rudely.

    In regards to the topic of the thread, I encourage anyone who is curious about the justice system to DL the PTS and play around with it some.

    All I did was say I wish they push it live. You didnt have to comment on it you could have just went about your business. Now you act like I somehow commented to you first. Next time just move along if you dont want to discuss something.

    As far as the justice system being boring I believe without the pvp aspect it will become rather boring fast.
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    Also those mats you are collecting are going to be worthless anyways unless you want to sell em to a vendor for 10g each.

    I'm using them to level my professions.

    I want to get them levelled before 1.6 hits and all containers get locked. As I said, i've got no interest in stealing and guard dodging and there is no way i'm paying 10g per mat.

    They still have over a month before March 17th so it's all good.
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    I just wana kill guards.
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    Also those mats you are collecting are going to be worthless anyways unless you want to sell em to a vendor for 10g each.

    I'm using them to level my professions.

    I want to get them levelled before 1.6 hits and all containers get locked. As I said, i've got no interest in stealing and guard dodging and there is no way i'm paying 10g per mat.

    They still have over a month before March 17th so it's all good.

    I have all the professions maxxed out already. As far as they have said 1.6 will hit the servers before March 17th.
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    I just wana kill guards.

    Guards are invulnerable and cannot be killed unfortunately.
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    As far as they have said 1.6 will hit the servers before March 17th.

    I know that, but it's only February 4th.

    They still have 40 days until March 16th, well over a month. It will still be out before the 17th so no one can complain.

    Win/win.
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    As far as they have said 1.6 will hit the servers before March 17th.

    I know that, but it's only February 4th.

    They still have 40 days until March 16th, well over a month. It will still be out before the 17th so no one can complain.

    Win/win.

    Pretty sure its going to be about another two weeks. They have done two character copies already. I doubt they do another one. I bet next week they will put out a date. It HAS to be before March 17th. Anything major happens between PTS and live they need time to fix it before the relaunch.
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    I don't know about bored but if they don't make stealing worth xp then it's unlikely I will spend much time with it because it doesn't generate champion points, which is a major flaw in the system from what I can see. Why introduce two new systems and they don't interact at all? Fail.
    Edited by AssaultLemming on February 4, 2015 9:54PM
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    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    Have you gone on and tested all aspects of the game on the PTS? If you had, you would not be wanting this tomorrow. I am not saying it is a complete mess, but it does need some tweaks, fixes and more importantly, balance work done.

    Provisioning alone is not ready for Prime Time based on the changes made in 1.61.

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    I also got bored after around 5 minutes. Most of the thieving/killing that I did in Skyrim/Oblivion was related to the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines. If I didn't need to kill anyone or steal anything, then I didn't. Hopefully ZOS doesn't really expect the justice system alone to be able to keep people occupied for the next few months. The justice system should have been released along with the Thieve's Guild. What I saw in the pts just seemed like it is something for people to play with when they're bored.

    I am another person who is trying to loot as much as I can from places like the Wayrest Bank before doing so becomes illegal.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Nestor wrote: »

    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    Have you gone on and tested all aspects of the game on the PTS? If you had, you would not be wanting this tomorrow. I am not saying it is a complete mess, but it does need some tweaks, fixes and more importantly, balance work done.

    Provisioning alone is not ready for Prime Time based on the changes made in 1.61.

    This kind of stuff can all be adjusted after it hits the live servers. So mats cost a little more. Thats something I doubt they even need a patch to change. Balance work is something that is on going. Its never going to be achieved before March for sure. So at some point you have to say "This is it go with it.".
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    Nestor wrote: »

    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    Have you gone on and tested all aspects of the game on the PTS? If you had, you would not be wanting this tomorrow. I am not saying it is a complete mess, but it does need some tweaks, fixes and more importantly, balance work done.

    Provisioning alone is not ready for Prime Time based on the changes made in 1.61.

    This kind of stuff can all be adjusted after it hits the live servers. So mats cost a little more. Thats something I doubt they even need a patch to change. Balance work is something that is on going. Its never going to be achieved before March for sure. So at some point you have to say "This is it go with it.".
    Given that some of that balance involves how existing materials in inventories are converted over, no it's not something that can be adjusted after it hits live servers. There are also several crucial bugs that must be fixed before it goes live, such as the one that causes anything in your inventory above your base bag space (ie. stuff that you can carry only because you are using a horse with increased inventory capacity) to vanish.

    1.61 is not ready for live. Hopefully it won't take more than a couple of weeks to get it to a point where it can be taken live, and later tweaked, but it is definitely not at that point now.
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »

    Give it some time?! We havent had any new content since friggin last summer and this guy says give it time. They have been working on 1.6 for months. How much more friggin time do they need?

    Have you gone on and tested all aspects of the game on the PTS? If you had, you would not be wanting this tomorrow. I am not saying it is a complete mess, but it does need some tweaks, fixes and more importantly, balance work done.

    Provisioning alone is not ready for Prime Time based on the changes made in 1.61.

    This kind of stuff can all be adjusted after it hits the live servers. So mats cost a little more. Thats something I doubt they even need a patch to change. Balance work is something that is on going. Its never going to be achieved before March for sure. So at some point you have to say "This is it go with it.".
    Given that some of that balance involves how existing materials in inventories are converted over, no it's not something that can be adjusted after it hits live servers. There are also several crucial bugs that must be fixed before it goes live, such as the one that causes anything in your inventory above your base bag space (ie. stuff that you can carry only because you are using a horse with increased inventory capacity) to vanish.

    1.61 is not ready for live. Hopefully it won't take more than a couple of weeks to get it to a point where it can be taken live, and later tweaked, but it is definitely not at that point now.

    Horse inventory bug thing is already fixed according to the patch notes...
  • Garwulf
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    Bored already ...

    Need a real reason to be thieving other than gold . With no economy in this game, gold is very unimportant.
    Edited by Garwulf on February 5, 2015 3:31AM
  • Psychobunni
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    My taste on PTS was enough for me. Not personally interested if/when they add pvp aspect either.
    If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!

  • NordJitsu
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    The only part I was really excited for was the PvP aspect.

    Now they're saying they may never add that, so I really could care less about the Justice System.
    @NordJitsu - Guild Master (Main Character = Hlaalu Idas)
    GREAT HOUSE HLAALU
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