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Vampires & Werewolves NOT mentioned in Justice System!
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭LionheartRichard wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
That's not true at all...
Dude seriously did you not see that I wrote that I remember?That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Unless of course you were referring to the fact I said that Oblivion vampires were funner in which case they were a lot more fun so there
Edited by Iago on January 28, 2015 6:03PMThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
No.
It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.
I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.
Explanation...its the smell. The undead stink of....well death. The more starved you are, the stinkier you get. Maybe the guards should have hounds that can smell vampires out...wouldn't be a big deal for werewolves because of the kinship.
Vampires are not dead and rotting. Those are zombies you're thinking of. Vampires are UNdead. They do not rot, they are supernaturally preserved forever. Ergo, no stench.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭I'm a Vampire. By Day I am a priest of Stendar, A Templar, Rightious, and powerful in the name of my God that I shall smite thee in thy evil doings.
But at night, i go around the province, sneaking into houses and kidnapping virgin girls which I take back to my lair, and feed on until they are old enough to breed. At this point I turn them, and am working towards figuring out a way to give my undead sons and daughters a prosperous future.
The one thing I have learned over the centuries, is that Humans in general are stupid, and easily mislead and fooled.Edited by Malpherian on January 28, 2015 7:34PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.3 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
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✭✭✭joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!
Who is this "mollock ball" that you speak of?
It's Mullet Ball's distant cousin twice removed on his mothers side .2 -
LionheartRichard✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.2 -
I went into Werewolf mode and after killing a few enemies and devouring them, I galloped into Riften and I was promptly set upon by a vicious canine hating guard. I didn't attack an NPC, for all they know I could have been some bodies mangy lap dog. We should sic PETA on them.Wicked Felina/ Khajiit NB DC0 -
Nivzruo_ESO✭✭✭✭Stage 4 vamps are the ones that don't feed thus of no threat to humans yet are KoS. Stage 1 feed on humans every hour or so yet get no hate? #WtfLogicNelgyntc- V14 NB2 -
Gix✭✭✭✭
No, Zombies are pretty much Undead too. Anything that should physically be dead and its still walking around is, by definition, Undead.MornaBaine wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
No.
It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.
I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.
Explanation...its the smell. The undead stink of....well death. The more starved you are, the stinkier you get. Maybe the guards should have hounds that can smell vampires out...wouldn't be a big deal for werewolves because of the kinship.
Vampires are not dead and rotting. Those are zombies you're thinking of. Vampires are UNdead. They do not rot, they are supernaturally preserved forever. Ergo, no stench.
If Vampires were to be supernaturally preserved, they wouldn't look as bad as they do. Their entire bodies are in constant struggle to stay preserved; that's why they instinctively drink blood. That's why they're monsters.
What's the point of the Vampiric stages, what's the point of feeding? The justice system should most definitely take vampiric stages into account.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »Stage 4 vamps are the ones that don't feed thus of no threat to humans yet are KoS. Stage 1 feed on humans every hour or so yet get no hate? #WtfLogic
Let me try to explain. A Stage 1 vampire represents a well fed and in control vampire. Further, they look close to "normal" and therefore do not elicit notice. Although I'd really enjoy the old ES comments about paleness and hungry eyes. LOL
A Stage 4 vampire represents a dangerous starving creature that may lose control and set upon anyone at any time. This does not happen only because the mechanics of vampires in this game were implemented SO BADLY. In virtually all legend and lore surrounding vampires, a vampire that does not (or is kept from) feeding either goes mad and snaps at some point, grabbing whoever happens to be nearest OR they sink into torpor, helpless and immobile. For reasons beyond my understanding ES games don't follow either lore but this is CLEARLY because of game mechanics and laziness. One of the two SHOULD happen. Logically there NEEDS to be an incentive to feed. At least in the previous ES games the incentive was there BECAUSE THE GUARDS AND TOWNSFOLK DID IN FACT NOTICE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING DRASTICALLY WRONG WITH YOU.
Understand now?PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Beerbill✭✭✭As a vampire i only think it's would be fair to be attacked on stage 4 if they increase the time to get there (just add a passive or something), 30 min for stage changing is ridiculous it should take a day at least and I don't want to be gang banged by the guards in the bank because i forgot to feed when I was sorting my items.
I think that a passive that reduces hunger would give people the possibility to choose the frequency of the changes, some may like it for RP or cosmetics while I personally hate it mostly because of the health regen i lose.
For the werewolves they have the option to transform and won't be really a problem as long it don't mess with the city quests and I think it should be wiser to run in fear from a f#king werewolf not try to kill him on sight but again just my opinion as someone who plays it.
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joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!
Wow. I'm..... Wow. Honestly, I'm flabbergasted.Holla holla get $1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!
Who is this "mollock ball" that you speak of?
It's Mullet Ball's distant cousin twice removed on his mothers side .
I always thought his name was Molag no BallsThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »Stage 4 vamps are the ones that don't feed thus of no threat to humans yet are KoS. Stage 1 feed on humans every hour or so yet get no hate? #WtfLogic
Stage 4 vampires are borderline feral. They're starved, and on the edge. Stage 1 vampires may be odd looking, but they're not instantly recognizable to the general population.
ESO Fumbles this a bit, but...
In Tamriel, Vampires with different feeding stages are fairly rare.
Most are savage monsters that need to be put down for public safety. These are also unmistakable monsters. This is why most of the bloodfiends you see in game are all locked at the same stage and don't wander through different ones... or, at least the lore justification for it.
The clan native to Cyrodiil are completely unidentifiable when fully fed. No off color eyes, not exceptionally pale. They're still monsters, but it's almost impossible to identify them.
Lamae's Bloodline (what the players are infected with in game) is apparently halfway between these points. Something is visibly wrong with a well fed member of the bloodline, but they don't look like the ravenous monsters that need to be put down on sight.1 -
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✭joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
A stage 4 vampire walks past a gate guard and the guard asks "Are you a vampire or just emmo?"I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over thatThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
Why? Just don't spend much time around anyone at dusk, and don't go near anyone in daytime. The only thing that was a real pain was the part of the main quest where you needed to be someplace at 6pm...2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
Why? Just don't spend much time around anyone at dusk, and don't go near anyone in daytime. The only thing that was a real pain was the part of the main quest where you needed to be someplace at 6pm...
You know you get caught up in a quest and fr get and then well...... you know. I havent played Morrowing in a long time I have it or PC I think Ill dig it out sometime this weekThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
Why? Just don't spend much time around anyone at dusk, and don't go near anyone in daytime. The only thing that was a real pain was the part of the main quest where you needed to be someplace at 6pm...
You know you get caught up in a quest and fr get and then well...... you know. I havent played Morrowing in a long time I have it or PC I think Ill dig it out sometime this week
It's a curse. You are cursed. This is all your fault. 1 -
LionheartRichard✭✭✭
As you should! Being able to continue to play the game normally as if nothing has happened even though the entire world know you are a werewolf is just silly.LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
Why? Just don't spend much time around anyone at dusk, and don't go near anyone in daytime. The only thing that was a real pain was the part of the main quest where you needed to be someplace at 6pm...
You know you get caught up in a quest and fr get and then well...... you know. I havent played Morrowing in a long time I have it or PC I think Ill dig it out sometime this week
It's a curse. You are cursed. This is all your fault. lmao I am cursed I play WW Khajjit whenever i can because I like being a cat dog..... Someday Ill learn That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭LionheartRichard wrote: »
As you should! Being able to continue to play the game normally as if nothing has happened even though the entire world know you are a werewolf is just silly.LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
At the very least some ill should come of it but also because of that they should have some kickass reasons to be a WW or VampThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LionheartRichard wrote: »
You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play
Morrowind had no stages. Vampires were instant, permanent, kill on sight for guards, and most NPCs. Only a handful would even talk to you.
Oblivion Vampires had 4 stages. Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. Stage 1 had no sunlight limitations whatsoever. Though the game threw a bright filter over everything if you were out in daylight.
Skyrim Vampires had 4 stages. Without Dawnguard installed, Stage 4 vampires were kill on sight. With Dawnguard, that's no longer the case. Transforming into a vampire lord is a kill on sight offense. Crimes as a vampire lord do not count against your bounty... I think.
In Morrowind, Wolfing out was involuntary, and would happen at nightfall. It was an instant 1000g crime (say it with me now, kill on sight), if you were seen transforming. Crimes committed as a werewolf do not count against your bounty.
Oblivion had no werewolves.
Skyrim, transformations are at will. I'm not sure if it's a crime, but I think it's a 1000g bounty. Crimes committed as a werewolf, do not count against your bounty.
I don't remember wolfing out being a crime in skyrin but I know in morrowind if you changed in front of someone it broke the game because it would say "You are a known Lycanthrope" and from that point on no one would talk to you ever again.
Yep. Back in the good old days when games were more immersive and less dumbed down and streamlined.
I had to reload soooo many times over that
Why? Just don't spend much time around anyone at dusk, and don't go near anyone in daytime. The only thing that was a real pain was the part of the main quest where you needed to be someplace at 6pm...
You know you get caught up in a quest and fr get and then well...... you know. I havent played Morrowing in a long time I have it or PC I think Ill dig it out sometime this week
It's a curse. You are cursed. This is all your fault. lmao I am cursed I play WW Khajjit whenever i can because I like being a cat dog..... Someday Ill learn
I still remember my wood elf assassin. Her sneak score would actually go down by 25 points whenever she transformed.1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Thats awesome Bosmer made good assasin but I did ok with my Khajiit and the boots I made from Vivec 400/400 soul... I miss those bootsThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nyghthowler wrote: »joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
A stage 4 vampire walks past a gate guard and the guard asks "Are you a vampire or just emmo?"
A Werewolf and a Vampire walk into a bar.
Werewolves can't duck, I don't know what the Vampire's excuse is.2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...
A stage 4 vampire walks past a gate guard and the guard asks "Are you a vampire or just emmo?"
A Werewolf and a Vampire walk into a bar.
Werewolves can't duck, I don't know what the Vampire's excuse is.
lolThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Oronell✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.
No.
It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.
I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.
Explanation...its the smell. The undead stink of....well death. The more starved you are, the stinkier you get. Maybe the guards should have hounds that can smell vampires out...wouldn't be a big deal for werewolves because of the kinship.
Vampires are not dead and rotting. Those are zombies you're thinking of. Vampires are UNdead. They do not rot, they are supernaturally preserved forever. Ergo, no stench.
Lol, I know. Just a lil inter-monster ribbing. They still stink though and I would pay to see vamps get chased out of town by a pack of hounds!
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✭I'm fine for stage 4 vamps to be killed on site, as long as they go to coldharbor and do their banking, crafting etc there.
I would have thought coldharbor is the one place vamps are safe... but that's just me.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm fine for stage 4 vamps to be killed on site, as long as they go to coldharbor and do their banking, crafting etc there.
I would have thought coldharbor is the one place vamps are safe... but that's just me.
...not so much, though. Lamae's Bloodline are... I guess you could say protestant vampires? They're rebelling against Molag Bal, and opposing his goals.
Of course this is also the game with a male "Daughter of Cold Harbour" so the player vampires are hardly the weirdest thing out there.2