1.6 - No Forward Camps Sold by Siege Merchants

LonePirate · January 2015

Siege merchants in 1.6 do not have any forward camps for sale. If they are coming back to the game, they are not present in the current 1.6 build on the PTS.

Columba · January 2015

Yeah!

ThyIronFist · January 2015

Yeah we need an answer on this as they said camps would return in 1.6, but revamped. They either forgot to add them or they flat out lied.

Camps need to come back, literally it's made the game so boring. Riding, riding, riding, only places where you see fighting nowadays is between outposts and keeps, as EP its the usual boring Chalman > Bleakers and BRK > Sej > Alessia...

Some people thought it would stop the zerging/zergballing... well. Nope. And it's made the game more boring.

Ghostbane · January 2015

Camps were removed during a subversion of the game and can easily come bac k on the PTS via a subversion.

1.6 won't go to live, it'll be 1.6.x

kijima · January 2015

^ This guy gets it.

The sky isn't falling, these are notes that will ideally shape the game as it stands right now, but they aren't final. ZOS will listen to player feedback (contrary to popular belief) and make small changes that they feel are necessary to improve the game.

LunaRae · January 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

synnerman wrote: »

What happened to the promised return of revamped forward camps that was stated on ESO live???

I might be remembering wrong, but I don't believe we shared a timeframe. We are still considering bringing them back, revamped. We don't have an ETA at this time, though.

It won't happen for 1.6 - or 1.6.1, or 1.6.2, or any other 1.6.x - game is fine w/o forward camps right now.

WebBull · January 2015

LunaRae wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

synnerman wrote: »

What happened to the promised return of revamped forward camps that was stated on ESO live???

I might be remembering wrong, but I don't believe we shared a timeframe. We are still considering bringing them back, revamped. We don't have an ETA at this time, though.

It won't happen for 1.6 - or 1.6.1, or 1.6.2, or any other 1.6.x - game is fine w/o forward camps right now.

Key words "right now" but after the changes to buff keeps, buff siege, and for siege to ignore armor, there very well may be a need for modified camps going forward.

NotSo · January 2015

No forward camps please. Those things suck.

KBKB · January 2015

Did you check the crown store

heng14rwb17_ESO · January 2015

I wan my FC now !

Teargrants · January 2015

Let us all /lute to Dee Tick in prayer, that FCs may never again emerge from the darkness of Oblivion to corrupt our souls and despoil our women!

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

1.6 is not finished yet either, plus I never seen them say they were coming back in 1.6, sometime in the future is all I have seen the say. Maybe by 1.6.1,2,3 etc who knows

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Huge patch. Long list of patch notes. Who cares about those silly camps anyway? Stop dying so much, I'd say.

rendolpheb16_ESO · January 2015

Forward camp mechanic was bad before and they should keep it dead until they have a real solution.

The Forward camp removed any strategies while attacking or defending. Pop a camp in a resource camp or inside the keep and you have a continuously non-end fight.

Seem cool at first, but doesn't make sense to kill the same guy 5 time in 4 minutes.

The death should be meaningful and a mistake on either side could cost the keep.

Without camp atm, we have a real reinforcement line that ganker can feed and is essential to this game.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · January 2015

LunaRae wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

synnerman wrote: »

What happened to the promised return of revamped forward camps that was stated on ESO live???

I might be remembering wrong, but I don't believe we shared a timeframe. We are still considering bringing them back, revamped. We don't have an ETA at this time, though.

It won't happen for 1.6 - or 1.6.1, or 1.6.2, or any other 1.6.x - game is fine w/o forward camps right now.

Game is terrible without forward camps.

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · January 2015

rendolpheb16_ESO wrote: »

Forward camp mechanic was bad before and they should keep it dead until they have a real solution.

The Forward camp removed any strategies while attacking or defending. Pop a camp in a resource camp or inside the keep and you have a continuously non-end fight.

Seem cool at first, but doesn't make sense to kill the same guy 5 time in 4 minutes.

The death should be meaningful and a mistake on either side could cost the keep.

Without camp atm, we have a real reinforcement line that ganker can feed and is essential to this game.

maybe you didnt notice, since they removed forward camps CYRODIIL PVP HAS DIED. 200PEOPLE IN Cyrodiil at PRIME TIME.

Asgari · January 2015

No need for camps. Only losers need camps.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

No need for camps. Only losers need camps.

Only boring pvpers don't need camps.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · January 2015

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

maybe you didnt notice, since they removed forward camps CYRODIIL PVP HAS DIED. 200PEOPLE IN Cyrodiil at PRIME TIME.

Certainly we are not playing same game. I play on EU server and pvp wasnt ever populated more than these days . Yesterday 3 campaigns locked for all sides and usually 2 campaigns locked for all sides . I play on blue side and even Chillrend is now much better populated on opponents side - which is good

Soulac · January 2015

Cause they reduced the caps.
It's just boring to see 3 huge Zergballs and maybe 3 smaller groups on the whole map.
Action only between two keeps, 1vsX very hard to find.
Our group would like to go far in the north but we all don't like this riding simulator.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

No need for camps. Only losers need camps.

Only boring pvpers don't need camps.

Only bad PvP players need camps, because the good ones don't die often enough to justify the existence of camps.

Lord_Draevan · January 2015

If ZOS insists on bringing FCs back, it'd be best if they make them:

1) Much more expensive, at least 3-4 times the previous 7,200 AP.
2) You can only spawn at one if you died in its radius.
3) Decrease said radius by at least 50%.
4) Most importantly, make it do that you can only place X number of camps near a keep within X amount of time. Once that's reached, X amount of time cooldown. Ergo, no more hours upon hours of camp spamming that make sieges last forever...

eliisra · January 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Cause they reduced the caps.
It's just boring to see 3 huge Zergballs and maybe 3 smaller groups on the whole map.
Action only between two keeps, 1vsX very hard to find.
Our group would like to go far in the north but we all don't like this riding simulator.

Exactly this, less fun, less strategy, more zerging, more riding.

It's no fun riding for 10 minutes only to get wiped by half a faction, with no means to recover. That's why there's only fighting on 1-2 places on the entire map these days. No one wants to ride behind enemy territory, engage in guerilla warfare, do strategic attacks or anything that's not running with a safe lemming train. No camps = no ***.

Only reasons we still see rare strategic attacks on EU, is because certain players still have camps left.

I had my hopes up for limited radius camps a cool-down(or guild camps). Would prevent people from suicide-jumping half the map, but offer a second chance for brave groups willing to take some initiatives.

Dalglish · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

No need for camps. Only losers need camps.

Only boring pvpers don't need camps.

Only bad PvP players need camps, because the good ones don't die often enough to justify the existence of camps.

Not all of us hide in the shadows waiting to ambush > fear and then go back into shadows

Camps need to be brought back with a maximum radius of death and a res sickness.

Poxheart · January 2015

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

maybe you didnt notice, since they removed forward camps CYRODIIL PVP HAS DIED. 200PEOPLE IN Cyrodiil at PRIME TIME.

There are a lot of other reasons why PvP populations have dropped, the removal of forward camps may be a contributor, but it's not the only reason. Personally, I think the lag in big keep fights is the main culprit.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · January 2015

Why would anyone expect them to be back?
They are out of the game and that's a good thing.

They said they were testing things internally, that's just them doing their job at making sure they couldn't salvage a bad mechanic into something usable. That's it. It doesn't mean they'll be coming back.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · January 2015

We are still looking at forward camps and whether they will be coming back in a modified form but for now and the foreseeable future, they are still not going to be sold by merchants or the crown store.

DDuke · January 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are still looking at forward camps and whether they will be coming back in a modified form but for now and the foreseeable future, they are still not going to be sold by merchants or the crown store.

I called it.

Lord_Draevan · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are still looking at forward camps and whether they will be coming back in a modified form but for now and the foreseeable future, they are still not going to be sold by merchants or the crown store.

I called it.

I'm glad they won't, FCs in the crown store would be annoying...

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

No need for camps. Only losers need camps.

Only boring pvpers don't need camps.

Only bad PvP players need camps, because the good ones don't die often enough to justify the existence of camps.

If you justify good as hiding in the back of a 50 people zerg then never spawn at a camp which is placed.

If you try being good enough to fight against the odds 12 vs 40+ and try things on the map then you would see that this stimulates more varied and interesting pvp in cyro.

Or perhaps you like the lag of 60 reds inside Alessia flipping the flags by numbers alone at 1am because it means the zerg cant die as no abilities or siege is working due to the fact that the fight is concentrated in one area because there are no camps.

TheBull · January 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are still looking at forward camps and whether they will be coming back in a modified form but for now and the foreseeable future, they are still not going to be sold by merchants or the crown store.

Thanks for chiming in.