Thank you ZOS!!!
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✭✭✭Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)
You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.
Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.
Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?
It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.Edited by Cody on January 23, 2015 3:27AM7 -
Dedhed✭✭✭Been looking at other forums where MMO players are and I see a bunch of people really happy about this. A lot of them played beta some and just didn't think it was worth a subscription.
Yup yup. Plenty of gamers simply don't like subscriptions for whatever individual reasons they have. It's all cool by me as long as the cash shop is alright. Time will tell on that, no reason to stress about it.Edited by Dedhed on January 23, 2015 3:27AM"This is like talking to breakfast cereal" -- Fredericks in Otherland talking about Wicked Tribe. Also a great description of zone chat.2 -
Darlantan✭✭✭Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)
You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.
Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.
Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?
It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.
Euh.... They did not remove the sub. You can still sub and get the DLC free plus some other goodies with that.We are One
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grimjim398✭✭✭In my experience its not the cash shop that destroys the mmo but the community. One of my first online experiences gaming was battle.net chat for Diablo and that was mostly a toxic environment that evolved and still remains prevalent today... and that game didn't even have a cash shop.
A majority of the people here are equating cash shop = horrendous community when its in fact the community itself that incurs the majority of vicious and inappropriate behaviour. Look at how people who have abused exploits to garner an advantage over others are treated currently. In this very game no less.
This is the human condition and the very basis of our conflict. If you haven't been able to identify the problem by now after years of community gaming, I suggest you to take a page out of real life experiences with social interaction. This is coming from someone who pvps for his job in real life.
On a more deeper note, The Elder Scrolls is the Flagship IP of Bethesda and I highly doubt they would make deliberate decisions to destroy the integrity of the label.
You see integrity in all those noble comments about all the reasons to use the subscription model and how we take inspiration from our fans and all; then turning that on its head nine months or so down the road because all those fans inspired us to shove the subscription model aside for a cash shop? The little integrity this developer had flew out the window over the last couple of days; heck, for people who were more savvy than I turned out to be, there was never any integrity here in the first place. ZOS knew a long time ago that it could never put console game play into place alongside the subscription model, and that has become painfully clear. The community that's here now is pretty horrendous at moments and I don't see how this can do anything but make it worse, since people will be able to duck in and out of the game with no commitment whatsoever. As for me, I'll be playing something else as soon as I get bored with revenge-posting and move on. Four more characters to delete and I don't ever have to come back here.3 -
HoosierPappy✭✭✭Rescorla_ESO wrote: »My son is 14. He displays more maturity than what I am seeing from a lot of posters today.
And you jumped to that conclusion from seeing online game forum posts?
Wow dad.
Poor kid.
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✭✭✭✭✭I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.
They won't stay for long. These people weren't commited before, why should they be commited now when they are not even investing anything?
I suspect most new players won't even reach max level.
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on January 23, 2015 5:33PMAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.6 -
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✭✭✭15$ doesnt kill me in anyway... i spent 24.99 at a rib joint for all i can eat ribs... vs 15$ for entire month of fun the free to play will be fine for me also i'll cut off sub during dry periods of no new costumes and DLC and re sub when it it gets fun again save here and there2 -
Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)
You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.
Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.
Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?
It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.
Or maybe we have some money because we work and we can spend on our hobby.
Maybe we don't want to mindless grind everything.
Maybe we want to buy something...with money, you know4 -
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✭Plantagenet wrote: »I spend more than $30 a month on beard oil and salted almonds.
If you cant afford a subscription based game, you should prob look at your life/career choices rather than expect the game/world to conform to your lack of socioeconomic status.
WOW is pretty rude dude!
A game is a hobby not evryone has the money to spend due to a looooooooot of RL issues dont be so blind.....
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I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.
They won't stay for long. These people weren't commited before, why should they be commited now when they are not even investing anything?
I suspect most new players won't even reach max level.
And it's bad....why?
I just know that in every games I played that are f/b2p I have no problems to join a party, I can't say the same for eso.
And that's the only thing I care about. (for hard contents I have guilds, but sometimes I want to just hop in a pug and go into the unknown
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Sorry for my bad english
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭So do 6 year olds have $60 bucks laying around and knowledge to login into a pc and purchase a video game now ??? Cause I'm not sure they do. This game will be fine. The sky isn't falling.5
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BlueIllyrian✭✭✭Ahh yes, moochers and freeloaders starting to arrive, it will get even better when B2P is replaced with F2P1
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Mjollnir_NL✭✭✭For some people you really have to spell everyting out.
First you can buy a second hand pc for a few 100 dollar. And you can still play this game. You dont need a 1000+ dollar pc
Second. Yes nothing is for free. But if you buy the game you can play for months with different alts. Not everyone plays every day for hours and hours. Second you can save money for a DLC and play months again after buying it. I am sure it is much cheaper then pay every month when your a "normal" player
Edited by Mjollnir_NL on January 23, 2015 11:47AMAmrunor: Redguard Templar
Disciples of Disorder
We are mostly PVE players. We are determined to tackle challenges, but we do not reject anyone based on their skill.
So no one is left behind.
Calculated disorder is our team tactic :-)
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BlueIllyrian✭✭✭So do 6 year olds have $60 bucks laying around and knowledge to login into a pc and purchase a video game now ??? Cause I'm not sure they do. This game will be fine. The sky isn't falling.
You are trying to convince us or yourself, or do you just enjoy rehashing empty pr slogans?
Oh yes, it will be fine, like say LOTRO, STO, NWO, AOC and some other living dead with bloated cash shop. It will make devs money, the quality of the game and customer satisfaction are different matter entirely. I couldn't care less if ZOS makes money if their product happens to be a cash shop travesty with thin coating of Elder Scrolls on top.5 -
BlueIllyrian wrote: »So do 6 year olds have $60 bucks laying around and knowledge to login into a pc and purchase a video game now ??? Cause I'm not sure they do. This game will be fine. The sky isn't falling.
You are trying to convince us or yourself, or do you just enjoy rehashing empty pr slogans?
Oh yes, it will be fine, like say LOTRO, STO, NWO, AOC and some other living dead with bloated cash shop. It will make devs money, the quality of the game and customer satisfaction are different matter entirely. I couldn't care less if ZOS makes money if their product happens to be a cash shop travesty with thin coating of Elder Scrolls on top.
So, if you are right, you can always leave, right?
And if you are not really convinced you could play for free and see how it goes.
OR, zenimax should have stayed true to her claims, and shut down the game, because it's painfully obvious they can't stay open with the people playing and paying right now.
Not if they want to offer a great game to their customers.2 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »No MMO with an ingame cash shop is worth playing. F2P ruins games in sooo many ways.
Yet Blizzard have P2P + in game cash shop and see people still keep playing WoW and use there cash shop and say that only F2P te ruin games is very short sight of you say and now blizzard is work on sell in game token that gave you can subscribe time for in game gold which you can other use or sell to other player.
Personal i have say that what blizzard is 100 time worst then what ZoS is doing.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity4 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »No MMO with an ingame cash shop is worth playing. F2P ruins games in sooo many ways.
Yet Blizzard have P2P + in game cash shop and see people still keep playing WoW and use there cash shop and say that only F2P te ruin games is very short sight of you say and now blizzard is work on sell in game token that gave you can subscribe time for in game gold which you can other use or sell to other player.
Personal i have say that what blizzard is 100 time worst then what ZoS is doing.
Blizzard cash shop is pure fluff, also proof on Blizzard selling sub time for in game gold please.
So either you are badly informed, or spreading rumors.2 -
ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Hi there,
As stated in our Community Code of Conduct, we do not allow selling or trading of ESO accounts on our forums:
"Selling, Trading, and Sharing Game Accounts: The act of selling, trading, or sharing your ESO account is a violation of our Terms of Service. As such, we also do not allow discussion about selling, trading, or sharing game accounts on our forums."
The concerned posts have been removed.
Please keep in mind that we encourage discussion on the forums, but we do ask that all threads and posts created have a constructive and clear topic of discussion.
Thanks for your understanding.3 -
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✭e.chiesa73b16_ESO wrote: »BlueIllyrian wrote: »So do 6 year olds have $60 bucks laying around and knowledge to login into a pc and purchase a video game now ??? Cause I'm not sure they do. This game will be fine. The sky isn't falling.
You are trying to convince us or yourself, or do you just enjoy rehashing empty pr slogans?
Oh yes, it will be fine, like say LOTRO, STO, NWO, AOC and some other living dead with bloated cash shop. It will make devs money, the quality of the game and customer satisfaction are different matter entirely. I couldn't care less if ZOS makes money if their product happens to be a cash shop travesty with thin coating of Elder Scrolls on top.
So, if you are right, you can always leave, right?
And if you are not really convinced you could play for free and see how it goes.
OR, zenimax should have stayed true to her claims, and shut down the game, because it's painfully obvious they can't stay open with the people playing and paying right now.
Not if they want to offer a great game to their customers.
There have been no discussions for why B2P was launched. It very well could be that subs weren't covering costs. It could also be Microsofts unwillingness to compromise with 1.) Their Xbox live fee and 2.) Their "no outside networked servers" policy requiring an entire dedicated megaserver for the Xbox version (both reasons why FF XIV, a subscription mmo, is only releasing on PS4). I would say it's a combination of both subs and console issues since clearly an Xbox version had been ported - not releasing it isn't worth maintaining a sub mmo.
It's also not about "if you are right, you can just leave. " People discussing the long term effects of cash shops on an MMO don't want to be right. I myself want to be dead wrong - I want the developer focus to stay on developing fun and interesting systems and content (as they were forced to do previously when they were trying to justify a sub to the consumer). I, however, can immediately count 9 pure MMORPGs (not moba/mmofps/etc, granted all starting with different models) that suffer in the long term over the cash shop either being a focus and having content designed around the cash shop or the cash shop not being the focus and little to no content being released after the developers eat through their previously designed and held releases.
It's also kind of sad how quickly people throw "whining/crying" to describe people who just simply don't agree with them. But that speaks to the maturity of the accuser I suppose (not speaking about you specifically, just generally about the forums).Edited by BBSooner on January 23, 2015 2:44PM4 -
Nacario✭✭✭This is Bethesda's MMO, and their only MMO. It's not going to get thrown to the wayside. Many of the changes being made are specifically to make sure it has a future. Many of them modernize the game in really critical ways.
If you can't see that, I'm sorry.
The ONLY concern we should have now is obviously PAY TO WIN. It's a fine line. Sony has left a bad taste in my mouth with Planetside 2. I hope ESO doesn't end up feeling that way.
My concern is that they more easier now with this model keep adding ontop instead of fixing core bugs and issues, that theyve yet to fix since launch and earlier patches. That they keep chosing what to comment on as its easier fixable,while feeding the shop with lore appropriate fluff.1 -
Mordria✭✭✭✭Wow, MMO players are pretty stupid as a demographic. I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.
Talk about a petty, selfish, short-sighted mentality.
Yep.. they are pretty stupid. Which is why they will fall for the "freetoplay-buytoplay" scam.
lol... if you say so oh great Yoda![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
I didn't mean that. I'm just disappointed with how it was all handled.
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Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Plantagenet wrote: »I spend more than $30 a month on beard oil and salted almonds.
If you cant afford a subscription based game, you should prob look at your life/career choices rather than expect the game/world to conform to your lack of socioeconomic status.
Ever thought that fifteen a month goes to important *** like a heating bill, medical costs of various sorts, food, etc? It's a hell of a lot harder to pay that fifteen a month when you're borderline poverty in America or unemployed, etc, spending money on survival instead of luxury items like beard oil and salted almonds.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!2 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Plantagenet wrote: »I spend more than $30 a month on beard oil and salted almonds.
If you cant afford a subscription based game, you should prob look at your life/career choices rather than expect the game/world to conform to your lack of socioeconomic status.
Not everyone of the face of this planet are in the medium to top income bracket. Plus we do not know what out going's the poster has.
Mortgages, children, schooling, food, insurance, medical insurance/bills, dental work, rates etcetera, even running a vehicle can be expensive due high price of petrol & other cost's related to vehicles. Financial side of life is not easy for everyone, so paying a monthly sub for a game could be a luxury.
If things are so tight you can't afford a $15 a month sub, how did you pay for that $2k+ gaming machine?
Just curious....
To date, going back 7 years now, mines only cost me $1500 so far. That's what happened when you don't buy a super beast constantly and slowly upgrade over time.
It's like none of you have ever been the Poor Kid that wanted what the Rich Kids had.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!0 -
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✭Go play free in your stupid console and leave PC version as it is.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<3 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »Hi there,
As stated in our Community Code of Conduct, we do not allow selling or trading of ESO accounts on our forums:
"Selling, Trading, and Sharing Game Accounts: The act of selling, trading, or sharing your ESO account is a violation of our Terms of Service. As such, we also do not allow discussion about selling, trading, or sharing game accounts on our forums."
The concerned posts have been removed.
Please keep in mind that we encourage discussion on the forums, but we do ask that all threads and posts created have a constructive and clear topic of discussion.
Thanks for your understanding.
That's right! If you're going to sell your account take it out side the forums. Then it's okay.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"1 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭Khivas_Carrick wrote: »Plantagenet wrote: »I spend more than $30 a month on beard oil and salted almonds.
If you cant afford a subscription based game, you should prob look at your life/career choices rather than expect the game/world to conform to your lack of socioeconomic status.
Ever thought that fifteen a month goes to important *** like a heating bill, medical costs of various sorts, food, etc? It's a hell of a lot harder to pay that fifteen a month when you're borderline poverty in America or unemployed, etc, spending money on survival instead of luxury items like beard oil and salted almonds.
If they can't afford $15 a month sub then they can't afford DLC and the Cash shop, which completely negates the theory that they'll make more money in the long term.
So F2P/B2P you want to act like they are better for those with a lower income? And yet in order for the game to not even thrive but just to survive they HAVE to spend money, otherwise what was the point? If $15 per month was the difference between freezing or starving to death then perhaps they should pawn that brand new console system. I've been poor and unemployed, know what happened? I quit playing my damn game until I could afford it.
Entertainment is not a necessity nor is it a right that you deserve, it's a splurge whether it is gaming, movies, books, sports or w/e it is you do for entertainment.
V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
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Ethona✭✭✭I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.
Ya.
Just look at LoTRO after F2P.
It pretty much died, despite the influx of new players at the beginning of the switch.
Why did that happen? Because you actually need revenue to pay for game development. And when revenue starts to drop off, guess what? Game development ceases.
That's exactly what happened with LoTRO.
WHAT? What you've stated about LOTRO is 100% completely false! LOTRO has had a handful of fairly large expansions with good content since it's F2P conversion and the world has tons of active players. You shouldn't spread misleading info because you're emo taking arrows to both knees at random.
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