Thank you ZOS!!!

Mortuum

Ethona wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

How could you possibly Play LOTRO or SWTOR without spending any money?

Are we talking about you playing 3 hours a month or something?

SWTOR has a lockout to everything, literally! You cannot do any end game content, or PvP. Last time I was in LOTRO it was in the same boat. Can you even get to SWTOR level cap without paying these days? I'm pretty sure you cannot. 3 dungeons a week, no raids, 5 PvP matches, and you cant even equip 80% of the end game gear without purchasing a pass!


Hell Just in expansions SWTOR is over $50.00 right now... Do you not have any expansion? Even if you are spending every waking moment creating characters to achievement farm cartel points you are maxing out at roughly 10cc/hour a value so minimal it's laughable.

I'm calling BS on this, either you don't play enough to even get to the locked content, which means you barely count as casual, or you have spent a lot more than you think on micro transactions.

A) It would be a good thing to be a bit more mindful and not assume every player desires end-game content such as raiding or pvp. I play SWTOR as F2P and exp the story and buy the expansion content. I never said I didn't buy expansions or that I wouldn't spend money in a cash shop for fluffy items. I only said that in all of these games less than 50 dollars in the cash shop got me what I need to enjoy the game forever and ever along with buying expansions if they were worth it. You either didn't read all I said or you can't read or you're so emo right now that it's clouded your thoughts.

Both expansions for SWTOR does come to 50 dollars, and? Once again I enjoy buying good expansions and will do so for ESO if the expansions/DLC are worth it.

C) BS? How can you call BS on someone else playing and buying habits? Some ppl don't always play a game for stuff like raids and pvp. You know well enough like I do that you can exp all of SWTOR levels and Story driven content for free and that's exactly what I play that game for ONLY! When it comes to LOTRO I buy just the expansions and that's all I need to exp the story and leveling in LOTRO.

Why don't you go and grab some drink and food and cool off a little because you're not thinking straight.

ESO is now B2P and I will only buy DLC if it's worth it! That is how I wanted this game to be and I'm very much happy that the game is B2P now. I will enjoy the game for what's worth rather folks like you play it or not. Honestly I won't miss any of you if you leave.

+previous BS posts.

Best example of new B2P players. I dont raid, or PVP or do dungeons and I dont want them. More people like you, and devs will stop creating group content exactly same like in LOTRO, because of few nuub kids being so loud, that they will be considered ''majority of players''.

Also your opinion about games(LOTRO in this case) is so wrong, that you can only be a person who log in, run around Bree 20 times, watch NPCs and log off. Buy guys above me pointed it out perfectly, no need to repeat it.

Edit: there is literally no difference between B2P and F2P in long run, you are wrong again. What you think will happen when 50 euro box sales will be not as high as they expected? Price will drop to 20-15. And then again to 10-5. And that is F2P in pure form. Later on, when boxes stop selling, they will force people into store with P2W items, as everyone will be feed up/bored with cosmetic items, or like you, they will never buy any...

And then you can quietly sing to well known Queen melody

STORE must go on...

Kraven

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

Already, from their FB page:

The Elder Scrolls Online
35 mins ·

Look I get the sub fee on pc but not on consoles I was planning on getting this the day it came out but after finding out theres a 15/month fee for xbox one I decided not to along with hundreds of others its bad enough we have to pay 60/year for xbox live amd 60$ a game i averaged 180/year with this for xbox so pleasr do us a fav and drop the monthly fees for consoles thats just robbery!

Elder scrolls charge 60 for thw game and 15 a month to play add thay to xbox one 60/year no game yet charged you to play you just need gold membership why cant they be the same



‎The Elder Scrolls Online
7 hrs ·

Is this game charging a subscription fee to play ??? Keep being told it is ????

thanks fella wass gutted when i heard bout them charging loved skyrim
Like · 6 hrs


The Elder Scrolls Online
14 hrs · Edited ·

I must say after playing the alpha and beta and being disgusted by the utter disgrace of screwing over the elder scrolls fanbase for bratty WoW mmo fanboys and making it p2p , I am glad to hear this is going b2p ( hopefully it stays b2p and does not go full f2p). The game still has issues but as long as Zenimax does not micro-transaction the crap out of this game ( like EA and SWTOR) then this game will see a surge of new players and a new age. Just remember Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great and you will stay successful.



You silly subscribers "Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great" obviously refers to those who quit after a week,

These are your new players. Those expecting Skyriim. Those that were previously 'Disgusted' with game play. And those already bitching that sub still exists at all.

Gameplay is the same.
It's still not Skyriim online.
Those of you continuing to pay the sub are now the elitist *** you throw a fit about others being.

Sooooo, how long do you really expect these players to hang around? Long enough to keep the MMO up and running for over a decade like sub based games do? Or in for a quick buck like all other fly by night MMOs that have come out recently?


Considering the developers reason for being subscription based anyway was quoted on several occasions as being "To deliver a top quality game they could be proud of making and the players would enjoy to play. To not make developmental sacrifices that the other models require."
And now? They have already admitted that not only will quality of content decline but that their developers can't even be proud of the game their making now because of the sacrifices to content and integrity of the product.

Hey defend it all you want. And some of you have gotten quite defensive about it, but IF you believe what they say then you have to believe it all. Pick and choose when they're being honest? Based on?

Just to know with the "over a decade" game you are referring to WOW.....
GRATZ it was the first and only MMO of his time..... they have the 90% of the word subscriptions but i do belive that even blizzard if coming out with a new game it will be B2P or F2p.... o wait it has already happened.... WOW is the last of his genere now move on please.

And there you go folks, Wow was the first and only mmo of it's time....Yep real winners defending the decision. LOL

After making this winning statement then it no longer matters what you believe so could have just stopped there.

BBSooner

Kraven wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

Already, from their FB page:

The Elder Scrolls Online
35 mins ·

Look I get the sub fee on pc but not on consoles I was planning on getting this the day it came out but after finding out theres a 15/month fee for xbox one I decided not to along with hundreds of others its bad enough we have to pay 60/year for xbox live amd 60$ a game i averaged 180/year with this for xbox so pleasr do us a fav and drop the monthly fees for consoles thats just robbery!

Elder scrolls charge 60 for thw game and 15 a month to play add thay to xbox one 60/year no game yet charged you to play you just need gold membership why cant they be the same



‎The Elder Scrolls Online
7 hrs ·

Is this game charging a subscription fee to play ??? Keep being told it is ????

thanks fella wass gutted when i heard bout them charging loved skyrim
Like · 6 hrs


The Elder Scrolls Online
14 hrs · Edited ·

I must say after playing the alpha and beta and being disgusted by the utter disgrace of screwing over the elder scrolls fanbase for bratty WoW mmo fanboys and making it p2p , I am glad to hear this is going b2p ( hopefully it stays b2p and does not go full f2p). The game still has issues but as long as Zenimax does not micro-transaction the crap out of this game ( like EA and SWTOR) then this game will see a surge of new players and a new age. Just remember Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great and you will stay successful.



You silly subscribers "Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great" obviously refers to those who quit after a week,

These are your new players. Those expecting Skyriim. Those that were previously 'Disgusted' with game play. And those already bitching that sub still exists at all.

Gameplay is the same.
It's still not Skyriim online.
Those of you continuing to pay the sub are now the elitist *** you throw a fit about others being.

Sooooo, how long do you really expect these players to hang around? Long enough to keep the MMO up and running for over a decade like sub based games do? Or in for a quick buck like all other fly by night MMOs that have come out recently?


Considering the developers reason for being subscription based anyway was quoted on several occasions as being "To deliver a top quality game they could be proud of making and the players would enjoy to play. To not make developmental sacrifices that the other models require."
And now? They have already admitted that not only will quality of content decline but that their developers can't even be proud of the game their making now because of the sacrifices to content and integrity of the product.

Hey defend it all you want. And some of you have gotten quite defensive about it, but IF you believe what they say then you have to believe it all. Pick and choose when they're being honest? Based on?

Just to know with the "over a decade" game you are referring to WOW.....
GRATZ it was the first and only MMO of his time..... they have the 90% of the word subscriptions but i do belive that even blizzard if coming out with a new game it will be B2P or F2p.... o wait it has already happened.... WOW is the last of his genere now move on please.

And there you go folks, Wow was the first and only mmo of it's time....Yep real winners defending the decision. LOL

After making this winning statement then it no longer matters what you believe so could have just stopped there.

I'm like 90% sure WoW invented wizards ... and pop tarts.

Ethona

Mortuum wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

How could you possibly Play LOTRO or SWTOR without spending any money?

Are we talking about you playing 3 hours a month or something?

SWTOR has a lockout to everything, literally! You cannot do any end game content, or PvP. Last time I was in LOTRO it was in the same boat. Can you even get to SWTOR level cap without paying these days? I'm pretty sure you cannot. 3 dungeons a week, no raids, 5 PvP matches, and you cant even equip 80% of the end game gear without purchasing a pass!


Hell Just in expansions SWTOR is over $50.00 right now... Do you not have any expansion? Even if you are spending every waking moment creating characters to achievement farm cartel points you are maxing out at roughly 10cc/hour a value so minimal it's laughable.

I'm calling BS on this, either you don't play enough to even get to the locked content, which means you barely count as casual, or you have spent a lot more than you think on micro transactions.

A) It would be a good thing to be a bit more mindful and not assume every player desires end-game content such as raiding or pvp. I play SWTOR as F2P and exp the story and buy the expansion content. I never said I didn't buy expansions or that I wouldn't spend money in a cash shop for fluffy items. I only said that in all of these games less than 50 dollars in the cash shop got me what I need to enjoy the game forever and ever along with buying expansions if they were worth it. You either didn't read all I said or you can't read or you're so emo right now that it's clouded your thoughts.

Both expansions for SWTOR does come to 50 dollars, and? Once again I enjoy buying good expansions and will do so for ESO if the expansions/DLC are worth it.

C) BS? How can you call BS on someone else playing and buying habits? Some ppl don't always play a game for stuff like raids and pvp. You know well enough like I do that you can exp all of SWTOR levels and Story driven content for free and that's exactly what I play that game for ONLY! When it comes to LOTRO I buy just the expansions and that's all I need to exp the story and leveling in LOTRO.

Why don't you go and grab some drink and food and cool off a little because you're not thinking straight.

ESO is now B2P and I will only buy DLC if it's worth it! That is how I wanted this game to be and I'm very much happy that the game is B2P now. I will enjoy the game for what's worth rather folks like you play it or not. Honestly I won't miss any of you if you leave.

+previous BS posts.

Best example of new B2P players. I dont raid, or PVP or do dungeons and I dont want them. More people like you, and devs will stop creating group content exactly same like in LOTRO, because of few nuub kids being so loud, that they will be considered ''majority of players''.

Also your opinion about games(LOTRO in this case) is so wrong, that you can only be a person who log in, run around Bree 20 times, watch NPCs and log off. Buy guys above me pointed it out perfectly, no need to repeat it.

Edit: there is literally no difference between B2P and F2P in long run, you are wrong again. What you think will happen when 50 euro box sales will be not as high as they expected? Price will drop to 20-15. And then again to 10-5. And that is F2P in pure form. Later on, when boxes stop selling, they will force people into store with P2W items, as everyone will be feed up/bored with cosmetic items, or like you, they will never buy any...

And then you can quietly sing to well known Queen melody

STORE must go on...

Just because I do not raid/pvp in one game (swtor) doesn't mean I don't raid/pvp in other games FF14/ESO/Elite Dangerous. You can talk all the stink matter stuff that you will to try and force your opinions on me. I will never accept anything I wish not to accept. You won't change my mind, EVER, you mean nothing to me, NOTHING. I will play games how i see fit and I will pay for what I find value in. The hate I'm getting from others on this B2P topic just makes me happy that I still keep my wits about and don't lose control and spiral into mindless oblivion. LOL.

Ethona

Kraven wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

Already, from their FB page:

The Elder Scrolls Online
35 mins ·

Look I get the sub fee on pc but not on consoles I was planning on getting this the day it came out but after finding out theres a 15/month fee for xbox one I decided not to along with hundreds of others its bad enough we have to pay 60/year for xbox live amd 60$ a game i averaged 180/year with this for xbox so pleasr do us a fav and drop the monthly fees for consoles thats just robbery!

Elder scrolls charge 60 for thw game and 15 a month to play add thay to xbox one 60/year no game yet charged you to play you just need gold membership why cant they be the same



‎The Elder Scrolls Online
7 hrs ·

Is this game charging a subscription fee to play ??? Keep being told it is ????

thanks fella wass gutted when i heard bout them charging loved skyrim
Like · 6 hrs


The Elder Scrolls Online
14 hrs · Edited ·

I must say after playing the alpha and beta and being disgusted by the utter disgrace of screwing over the elder scrolls fanbase for bratty WoW mmo fanboys and making it p2p , I am glad to hear this is going b2p ( hopefully it stays b2p and does not go full f2p). The game still has issues but as long as Zenimax does not micro-transaction the crap out of this game ( like EA and SWTOR) then this game will see a surge of new players and a new age. Just remember Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great and you will stay successful.



You silly subscribers "Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great" obviously refers to those who quit after a week,

These are your new players. Those expecting Skyriim. Those that were previously 'Disgusted' with game play. And those already bitching that sub still exists at all.

Gameplay is the same.
It's still not Skyriim online.
Those of you continuing to pay the sub are now the elitist *** you throw a fit about others being.

Sooooo, how long do you really expect these players to hang around? Long enough to keep the MMO up and running for over a decade like sub based games do? Or in for a quick buck like all other fly by night MMOs that have come out recently?


Considering the developers reason for being subscription based anyway was quoted on several occasions as being "To deliver a top quality game they could be proud of making and the players would enjoy to play. To not make developmental sacrifices that the other models require."
And now? They have already admitted that not only will quality of content decline but that their developers can't even be proud of the game their making now because of the sacrifices to content and integrity of the product.

Hey defend it all you want. And some of you have gotten quite defensive about it, but IF you believe what they say then you have to believe it all. Pick and choose when they're being honest? Based on?

Just to know with the "over a decade" game you are referring to WOW.....
GRATZ it was the first and only MMO of his time..... they have the 90% of the word subscriptions but i do belive that even blizzard if coming out with a new game it will be B2P or F2p.... o wait it has already happened.... WOW is the last of his genere now move on please.

And there you go folks, Wow was the first and only mmo of it's time....Yep real winners defending the decision. LOL

After making this winning statement then it no longer matters what you believe so could have just stopped there.

The WoW Effect is what I call it! It's utter evil and dripping with mindless zombies. So glad I got away from that company/game after the Wrath's expansion. On a side note.. It's very easy to spot a blizzard zombie!

seanvwolf

Ethona wrote: »

B2P didn't kill Skyrim did it?

Yeah, didn't you hear about the new DLC coming out for Skyrim? No? I wonder why.

Darklord_Tiberius

dietlime wrote: »

I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Its not FREE TO PLAY, its not Archage or any other free to play game. This is a Buy to Play model, meaning you have to BUY the game to PLAY the game. Get educated ffs.

Joejudas

I would merely pointed out that epremium content of this game will be behind a pay way....and you still need to buy the game. There is a fucntion in game called an ignore button that you can use for the trolls. This doesnt change anything for currently subbed people. This change does give access to the game to people who might not have the money for a sub. More choice is always better for gamers...and the console gamers didn't derserve to get the shaft by paying for two subs. I get the concern that the game is going to fail in a year because of a history of other games failing that does this....but if you have that concern then the soulton is to play the free version and wait and see. Im not trying to sound like a fan boy and anyone that knows me from the forums knows im very critical of ZOS. I just think a rational, clear head is the best approach to this.

Mortuum

Ethona wrote: »

Mortuum wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

How could you possibly Play LOTRO or SWTOR without spending any money?

Are we talking about you playing 3 hours a month or something?

SWTOR has a lockout to everything, literally! You cannot do any end game content, or PvP. Last time I was in LOTRO it was in the same boat. Can you even get to SWTOR level cap without paying these days? I'm pretty sure you cannot. 3 dungeons a week, no raids, 5 PvP matches, and you cant even equip 80% of the end game gear without purchasing a pass!


Hell Just in expansions SWTOR is over $50.00 right now... Do you not have any expansion? Even if you are spending every waking moment creating characters to achievement farm cartel points you are maxing out at roughly 10cc/hour a value so minimal it's laughable.

I'm calling BS on this, either you don't play enough to even get to the locked content, which means you barely count as casual, or you have spent a lot more than you think on micro transactions.

A) It would be a good thing to be a bit more mindful and not assume every player desires end-game content such as raiding or pvp. I play SWTOR as F2P and exp the story and buy the expansion content. I never said I didn't buy expansions or that I wouldn't spend money in a cash shop for fluffy items. I only said that in all of these games less than 50 dollars in the cash shop got me what I need to enjoy the game forever and ever along with buying expansions if they were worth it. You either didn't read all I said or you can't read or you're so emo right now that it's clouded your thoughts.

Both expansions for SWTOR does come to 50 dollars, and? Once again I enjoy buying good expansions and will do so for ESO if the expansions/DLC are worth it.

C) BS? How can you call BS on someone else playing and buying habits? Some ppl don't always play a game for stuff like raids and pvp. You know well enough like I do that you can exp all of SWTOR levels and Story driven content for free and that's exactly what I play that game for ONLY! When it comes to LOTRO I buy just the expansions and that's all I need to exp the story and leveling in LOTRO.

Why don't you go and grab some drink and food and cool off a little because you're not thinking straight.

ESO is now B2P and I will only buy DLC if it's worth it! That is how I wanted this game to be and I'm very much happy that the game is B2P now. I will enjoy the game for what's worth rather folks like you play it or not. Honestly I won't miss any of you if you leave.

+previous BS posts.

Best example of new B2P players. I dont raid, or PVP or do dungeons and I dont want them. More people like you, and devs will stop creating group content exactly same like in LOTRO, because of few nuub kids being so loud, that they will be considered ''majority of players''.

Also your opinion about games(LOTRO in this case) is so wrong, that you can only be a person who log in, run around Bree 20 times, watch NPCs and log off. Buy guys above me pointed it out perfectly, no need to repeat it.

Edit: there is literally no difference between B2P and F2P in long run, you are wrong again. What you think will happen when 50 euro box sales will be not as high as they expected? Price will drop to 20-15. And then again to 10-5. And that is F2P in pure form. Later on, when boxes stop selling, they will force people into store with P2W items, as everyone will be feed up/bored with cosmetic items, or like you, they will never buy any...

And then you can quietly sing to well known Queen melody

STORE must go on...

Just because I do not raid/pvp in one game (swtor) doesn't mean I don't raid/pvp in other games FF14/ESO/Elite Dangerous. You can talk all the stink matter stuff that you will to try and force your opinions on me. I will never accept anything I wish not to accept. You won't change my mind, EVER, you mean nothing to me, NOTHING. I will play games how i see fit and I will pay for what I find value in. The hate I'm getting from others on this B2P topic just makes me happy that I still keep my wits about and don't lose control and spiral into mindless oblivion. LOL.

Keep insulting people like that to show how low new B2P crowd will be, thank you for proving my point. I must be drunk, or blind, because i cant see where i was trying to change your mind. But anyway, thank you, now we see what to expect.

seanvwolf

Joejudas wrote: »

...and the console gamers didn't derserve to get the shaft by paying for two subs.

I blame Microsoft for this situation. For over a year, maybe two, Playstation had already stated that no Plus subscription would be required to access ESO on their system. Although I don't know what happened with Microsoft, I suspect they were the reasons ESO was forced to go the B2P route in regards to console release.

egosumacunnus

Oh look a Zos employee posting with an ALT account.

Joejudas

is anyone else excited about the pts next week ?
Cheers OP for having the courage to post this in a sea of rage.
Im betting that alot of the people who are unsubbing now will play the version of the free game...which is a good thing we need people around

BBSooner

Joejudas wrote: »

is anyone else excited about the pts next week ?

Very much. I'm mostly looking forward to how different (hopefully more fluid) combat feels with the new animations - primarily for my dest/rest character and my 1h&shield/2h characters.

Tonnopesce

Kraven wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

Already, from their FB page:

The Elder Scrolls Online
35 mins ·

Look I get the sub fee on pc but not on consoles I was planning on getting this the day it came out but after finding out theres a 15/month fee for xbox one I decided not to along with hundreds of others its bad enough we have to pay 60/year for xbox live amd 60$ a game i averaged 180/year with this for xbox so pleasr do us a fav and drop the monthly fees for consoles thats just robbery!

Elder scrolls charge 60 for thw game and 15 a month to play add thay to xbox one 60/year no game yet charged you to play you just need gold membership why cant they be the same



‎The Elder Scrolls Online
7 hrs ·

Is this game charging a subscription fee to play ??? Keep being told it is ????

thanks fella wass gutted when i heard bout them charging loved skyrim
Like · 6 hrs


The Elder Scrolls Online
14 hrs · Edited ·

I must say after playing the alpha and beta and being disgusted by the utter disgrace of screwing over the elder scrolls fanbase for bratty WoW mmo fanboys and making it p2p , I am glad to hear this is going b2p ( hopefully it stays b2p and does not go full f2p). The game still has issues but as long as Zenimax does not micro-transaction the crap out of this game ( like EA and SWTOR) then this game will see a surge of new players and a new age. Just remember Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great and you will stay successful.



You silly subscribers "Zenimax to remember the fans that made you great" obviously refers to those who quit after a week,

These are your new players. Those expecting Skyriim. Those that were previously 'Disgusted' with game play. And those already bitching that sub still exists at all.

Gameplay is the same.
It's still not Skyriim online.
Those of you continuing to pay the sub are now the elitist *** you throw a fit about others being.

Sooooo, how long do you really expect these players to hang around? Long enough to keep the MMO up and running for over a decade like sub based games do? Or in for a quick buck like all other fly by night MMOs that have come out recently?


Considering the developers reason for being subscription based anyway was quoted on several occasions as being "To deliver a top quality game they could be proud of making and the players would enjoy to play. To not make developmental sacrifices that the other models require."
And now? They have already admitted that not only will quality of content decline but that their developers can't even be proud of the game their making now because of the sacrifices to content and integrity of the product.

Hey defend it all you want. And some of you have gotten quite defensive about it, but IF you believe what they say then you have to believe it all. Pick and choose when they're being honest? Based on?

Just to know with the "over a decade" game you are referring to WOW.....
GRATZ it was the first and only MMO of his time..... they have the 90% of the word subscriptions but i do belive that even blizzard if coming out with a new game it will be B2P or F2p.... o wait it has already happened.... WOW is the last of his genere now move on please.

And there you go folks, Wow was the first and only mmo of it's time....Yep real winners defending the decision. LOL

After making this winning statement then it no longer matters what you believe so could have just stopped there.

oooo wait you refer as ultima online and others who have begun the genere?
i'm actually referring to a game who had made numbers, real numbers not 100k people but milions like it was "Gran Turismo" for the racing genere
millions of copies sold and now? millons of games like it but not it; like the wow sindrome millons of games like wow but not wow.

Joejudas

http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/

free game...makes more than wow.

Tonnopesce

Joejudas wrote: »

http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/

free game...makes more than wow.

"free"

fixed for you but we now that and is not a problem imho

Joejudas

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/

free game...makes more than wow.

"free"

fixed for you but we now that and is not a problem imho

yeah your right i know this game is b2p....i just figured i would post that so the people crying about f2p games not making money and not being sustainable would have some understanding in the matter.

Emencie

Ethona wrote: »

Mortuum wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

How could you possibly Play LOTRO or SWTOR without spending any money?

Are we talking about you playing 3 hours a month or something?

SWTOR has a lockout to everything, literally! You cannot do any end game content, or PvP. Last time I was in LOTRO it was in the same boat. Can you even get to SWTOR level cap without paying these days? I'm pretty sure you cannot. 3 dungeons a week, no raids, 5 PvP matches, and you cant even equip 80% of the end game gear without purchasing a pass!


Hell Just in expansions SWTOR is over $50.00 right now... Do you not have any expansion? Even if you are spending every waking moment creating characters to achievement farm cartel points you are maxing out at roughly 10cc/hour a value so minimal it's laughable.

I'm calling BS on this, either you don't play enough to even get to the locked content, which means you barely count as casual, or you have spent a lot more than you think on micro transactions.

A) It would be a good thing to be a bit more mindful and not assume every player desires end-game content such as raiding or pvp. I play SWTOR as F2P and exp the story and buy the expansion content. I never said I didn't buy expansions or that I wouldn't spend money in a cash shop for fluffy items. I only said that in all of these games less than 50 dollars in the cash shop got me what I need to enjoy the game forever and ever along with buying expansions if they were worth it. You either didn't read all I said or you can't read or you're so emo right now that it's clouded your thoughts.

Both expansions for SWTOR does come to 50 dollars, and? Once again I enjoy buying good expansions and will do so for ESO if the expansions/DLC are worth it.

C) BS? How can you call BS on someone else playing and buying habits? Some ppl don't always play a game for stuff like raids and pvp. You know well enough like I do that you can exp all of SWTOR levels and Story driven content for free and that's exactly what I play that game for ONLY! When it comes to LOTRO I buy just the expansions and that's all I need to exp the story and leveling in LOTRO.

Why don't you go and grab some drink and food and cool off a little because you're not thinking straight.

ESO is now B2P and I will only buy DLC if it's worth it! That is how I wanted this game to be and I'm very much happy that the game is B2P now. I will enjoy the game for what's worth rather folks like you play it or not. Honestly I won't miss any of you if you leave.

+previous BS posts.

Best example of new B2P players. I dont raid, or PVP or do dungeons and I dont want them. More people like you, and devs will stop creating group content exactly same like in LOTRO, because of few nuub kids being so loud, that they will be considered ''majority of players''.

Also your opinion about games(LOTRO in this case) is so wrong, that you can only be a person who log in, run around Bree 20 times, watch NPCs and log off. Buy guys above me pointed it out perfectly, no need to repeat it.

Edit: there is literally no difference between B2P and F2P in long run, you are wrong again. What you think will happen when 50 euro box sales will be not as high as they expected? Price will drop to 20-15. And then again to 10-5. And that is F2P in pure form. Later on, when boxes stop selling, they will force people into store with P2W items, as everyone will be feed up/bored with cosmetic items, or like you, they will never buy any...

And then you can quietly sing to well known Queen melody

STORE must go on...

Just because I do not raid/pvp in one game (swtor) doesn't mean I don't raid/pvp in other games FF14/ESO/Elite Dangerous. You can talk all the stink matter stuff that you will to try and force your opinions on me. I will never accept anything I wish not to accept. You won't change my mind, EVER, you mean nothing to me, NOTHING. I will play games how i see fit and I will pay for what I find value in. The hate I'm getting from others on this B2P topic just makes me happy that I still keep my wits about and don't lose control and spiral into mindless oblivion. LOL.

You are getting zero hate. In fact no one has said a single unkind thing to you. Just that you are wrong, in the way you presented yourself at first. claiming to spend nothing but get everything. Now that you clarify that you did spend money or do spend money when games are not free to play and simply stop spending once they go free to play, and also have confirmed that in those free to play games you spend very little time and effort to do anything outside of level, your comments are now in context.

You are a great example of another reason why free to play has bad results. You play less, and spend less money on the game. As do many people.

seanvwolf

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

oooo wait you refer as ultima online and others who have begun the genere?
i'm actually referring to a game who had made numbers, real numbers not 100k people but milions

Wut? EQ had nearly half a million subscribers a year before WoW launched. At a time when less than half the households in the western world had internet access, those are real numbers.

EQ showed that the world would pay for a 3D-rendered MMO with a sub model. Blizzard learned their best lessons from others.

Ethona

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Mortuum wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

How could you possibly Play LOTRO or SWTOR without spending any money?

Are we talking about you playing 3 hours a month or something?

SWTOR has a lockout to everything, literally! You cannot do any end game content, or PvP. Last time I was in LOTRO it was in the same boat. Can you even get to SWTOR level cap without paying these days? I'm pretty sure you cannot. 3 dungeons a week, no raids, 5 PvP matches, and you cant even equip 80% of the end game gear without purchasing a pass!


Hell Just in expansions SWTOR is over $50.00 right now... Do you not have any expansion? Even if you are spending every waking moment creating characters to achievement farm cartel points you are maxing out at roughly 10cc/hour a value so minimal it's laughable.

I'm calling BS on this, either you don't play enough to even get to the locked content, which means you barely count as casual, or you have spent a lot more than you think on micro transactions.

A) It would be a good thing to be a bit more mindful and not assume every player desires end-game content such as raiding or pvp. I play SWTOR as F2P and exp the story and buy the expansion content. I never said I didn't buy expansions or that I wouldn't spend money in a cash shop for fluffy items. I only said that in all of these games less than 50 dollars in the cash shop got me what I need to enjoy the game forever and ever along with buying expansions if they were worth it. You either didn't read all I said or you can't read or you're so emo right now that it's clouded your thoughts.

Both expansions for SWTOR does come to 50 dollars, and? Once again I enjoy buying good expansions and will do so for ESO if the expansions/DLC are worth it.

C) BS? How can you call BS on someone else playing and buying habits? Some ppl don't always play a game for stuff like raids and pvp. You know well enough like I do that you can exp all of SWTOR levels and Story driven content for free and that's exactly what I play that game for ONLY! When it comes to LOTRO I buy just the expansions and that's all I need to exp the story and leveling in LOTRO.

Why don't you go and grab some drink and food and cool off a little because you're not thinking straight.

ESO is now B2P and I will only buy DLC if it's worth it! That is how I wanted this game to be and I'm very much happy that the game is B2P now. I will enjoy the game for what's worth rather folks like you play it or not. Honestly I won't miss any of you if you leave.

+previous BS posts.

Best example of new B2P players. I dont raid, or PVP or do dungeons and I dont want them. More people like you, and devs will stop creating group content exactly same like in LOTRO, because of few nuub kids being so loud, that they will be considered ''majority of players''.

Also your opinion about games(LOTRO in this case) is so wrong, that you can only be a person who log in, run around Bree 20 times, watch NPCs and log off. Buy guys above me pointed it out perfectly, no need to repeat it.

Edit: there is literally no difference between B2P and F2P in long run, you are wrong again. What you think will happen when 50 euro box sales will be not as high as they expected? Price will drop to 20-15. And then again to 10-5. And that is F2P in pure form. Later on, when boxes stop selling, they will force people into store with P2W items, as everyone will be feed up/bored with cosmetic items, or like you, they will never buy any...

And then you can quietly sing to well known Queen melody

STORE must go on...

Just because I do not raid/pvp in one game (swtor) doesn't mean I don't raid/pvp in other games FF14/ESO/Elite Dangerous. You can talk all the stink matter stuff that you will to try and force your opinions on me. I will never accept anything I wish not to accept. You won't change my mind, EVER, you mean nothing to me, NOTHING. I will play games how i see fit and I will pay for what I find value in. The hate I'm getting from others on this B2P topic just makes me happy that I still keep my wits about and don't lose control and spiral into mindless oblivion. LOL.

You are getting zero hate. In fact no one has said a single unkind thing to you. Just that you are wrong, in the way you presented yourself at first. claiming to spend nothing but get everything. Now that you clarify that you did spend money or do spend money when games are not free to play and simply stop spending once they go free to play, and also have confirmed that in those free to play games you spend very little time and effort to do anything outside of level, your comments are now in context.

You are a great example of another reason why free to play has bad results. You play less, and spend less money on the game. As do many people.

Now we're finally almost on the same track here. I have to find my play style for a game rather it's Sub/B2P/F2P and of course I'm going to find a way to pay less while enjoying my time. I love ESO but I don't think it's worth 15 dollars month sub for the content that has thus far been put into the game. Now I'm not ranting on ZOS here because I think those guys care about the game and have some good content in store for us.

I'm currently buying two months of sub, skip two months, buy two months of sub, ect... That way I don't burn my self out on this great game and I also enjoy playing other MMOs. It's my opinion that thus far I've paid ZOS a fair amount, at least I'm still paying and playing the game unlike those that have abandon ESO.

The reason why I love the change to B2P is it now allows me to take that money and use it in a way that would enhance my time while playing ESO. I'm not buying subs for ESO, but I will buy some cosmetic and useful stuff at times, and I will buy DLC/Expansions because I'm sure the content is going to be great.

I hope ESO stay away from F2P! I'm not a fan of F2P and what it brings with the larger stores with tons of junk to sell. At that point I stop spending any money because the game as a whole (content for sure) becomes utter repulsive and oppressive (esp the players).

I'm not going to chunk money at ZOS, but I will pay for every good content that they can muster up to a reasonable amount, which will be around 145 dollars a year (that's more than the 89.94 a year which i had plan to pay them).

Samadhi

Joejudas wrote: »

http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/

free game...makes more than wow.

The disposability involved in how League of Legends is set up really does work in their favour.
The MOBA setting of the game attracts a lot of players that do not want to commit to character growth over the duration associated with an MMORPG, and the ability to buy new characters and costumes with rapid rate of updating such cash-based features makes it quite lucrative.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

u will not have to pay for the dlc just re sub before update

Bouvin

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

oooo wait you refer as ultima online and others who have begun the genere?
i'm actually referring to a game who had made numbers, real numbers not 100k people but milions like it was "Gran Turismo" for the racing genere
millions of copies sold and now? millons of games like it but not it; like the wow sindrome millons of games like wow but not wow.

LOL. I started playing Ultima Online when 56.6k modems were "fast" and the "new thing".

I also had metered Internet.

Not really to compare to WoW which launched when most households had DSL to a time when few households had Internet access at all.

Bouvin

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Plantagenet wrote: »

I spend more than $30 a month on beard oil and salted almonds.

If you cant afford a subscription based game, you should prob look at your life/career choices rather than expect the game/world to conform to your lack of socioeconomic status.

Ever thought that fifteen a month goes to important *** like a heating bill, medical costs of various sorts, food, etc? It's a hell of a lot harder to pay that fifteen a month when you're borderline poverty in America or unemployed, etc, spending money on survival instead of luxury items like beard oil and salted almonds.

Then stop playing video games, get off your butt and work.

I worked 2 full-time jobs for nearly three years to support 6 people on my income only.

You don't hear me whining about paying $15 a month for a sub now do you?

eisberg

Orchish wrote: »

Well you better start saving that $30 each month because you can bet for sure any new content in future will come with a price tag. Starting with Wrothgar and the other zone. Nothing is ever free.

Unless Zenimax really want it to fail hard, at best it will cost no more than $7 a month on the average. MMO developers in the past have mentioned that 85+% of the people who spend money in F2P/B2P MMOs spend $7 or less a month on the average. If it costs the same as a $15 subscription to keep up with the content, then they will fail, when their competition is giving better, just as good, or nearly as good game/service.

eisberg

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

u will not have to pay for the dlc just re sub before update

You only get access to that DLC while you sub, if you cancel your sub, you lose access to the DLC. If you want access to the DLC while not subbed, you have to purchase that DLC.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Mjollnir_NL wrote: »

For some people you really have to spell everyting out.

First you can buy a second hand pc for a few 100 dollar. And you can still play this game. You dont need a 1000+ dollar pc

Second. Yes nothing is for free. But if you buy the game you can play for months with different alts. Not everyone plays every day for hours and hours. Second you can save money for a DLC and play months again after buying it. I am sure it is much cheaper then pay every month when your a "normal" player

the bold being the biggest drawback to F2P..... if you pay less or not at all, then you are not contributing to the develop.

Ethona wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Let me explain EXACTLY why "Free to play" is not really "free to play"(even though technically ESO is going Buy to play)

You may not have to pay a sub fee, but you and your girlfriend will still have to pay for DLC(the new zones like wrothgar, murkmire, etc) as well as anything else ZOS charges for. They have to make money somehow.

Now that there is no 15 a month sub fee, you could find yourself paying MORE than the original sub fee to play the game.

Tell me, how is that "free to pay"?

It isn't. so enjoy that mentality of yours; because soon reality is going to come crashing down VERY hard on you.

Let me explain to you that in every B2P and F2P forums I find folks like you preaching about how we'll end up spending tons more. I have played tons of B2P/F2P games and in almost all but a few I spent ZERO cash ever mainly because the games were never worth it. However, in those that I did spend cash I never had to spend any at all. I only spent cash for some things I valued for my char and playtime. At NO time EVER in any of those games have I spent more than 50 dollars in their cash shop over the years of playing those games. I have spent money buying expansions (DLC) though so long as the content was worth playing. I'm talking about the only few good B2P/F2P games here such as RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO. This LIE about how players will find themselves spending more than before is just that LIES lest these ppl have zero control at spending their money. That's a problem they have and not for me to worry about. This game is going B2P so man up and deal with it or go back to ["World of Crycraft: Money Coming To Me" note all money goes to blizzard]

uh.... admitting that you won't help cover zos's bills doesn't help your case, but proves the problem with f2p.

f2p tends to provide more burst cash flow; a subscription provides a more consistent cash flow. f2p tends to be better for short term gains, but can yield more overall income, but is far less predictable. sub fees are less in the short run, but can be more in the long run, as well as being more predictable. to say you won't spend more isn't accurate, just as saying you will spend more isn't accurate. the problem is that people that don't spend, leads to people being forced to some how cover the bills of those that don't spend. so if i sub/buy in the cash shop, i am covering your share of the bill. the reason f2p transitions into pay-to-win, is because the market begins to wane and dry up, so the company starts having to push more desirable items. the one constant between the two, is people that play at some point must pay.

economics is a system of simple math with a system of relationships, with no "yes or no" questions. thats what makes it complex- its not black and white, nor set in hard concrete answers. people that pay, cover those that don't (a relationship). people that pay give the company the ability to produce more content (a relationship). if no one pays, no one plays because the game shuts down (effect). (see the definition of relationship below, for those that will argue the meaning)

example:

1)if they made this game suddenly have laser weapons and nuclear bombs, it wouldn't matter if it was p2p or f2p, the population would drop and they would sooner rather than later, have to shut down. (bad idea)

2)the fees generated (f2p or p2p) generates the most godly elder scroll style class system,this would promote over all success. (good idea)

good business decisions will dictate whether either system works, not that using one system or the other would lead to overall success. for example, rift has a pay to win component in their store, which i am against. i would still highly recommend rift because it is pretty good game, with pretty great ideas/mechanics. LOTRO, whether pay to win or f2p, killed themselves after the last expansion, and there for i would NOT recommend it anymore regardless of the fee model.



relationship:
noun
1.
a connection, association, or involvement.
2.
connection between persons by blood or marriage.
3.
an emotional or other connection between people:
the relationship between teachers and students.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relationship?s=t

Bouvin

BBSooner wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.

Ya.

Just look at LoTRO after F2P.

It pretty much died, despite the influx of new players at the beginning of the switch.

Why did that happen? Because you actually need revenue to pay for game development. And when revenue starts to drop off, guess what? Game development ceases.

That's exactly what happened with LoTRO.

WHAT? What you've stated about LOTRO is 100% completely false! LOTRO has had a handful of fairly large expansions with good content since it's F2P conversion and the world has tons of active players. You shouldn't spread misleading info because you're emo taking arrows to both knees at random.

Uh, no. The quality of content has been steadily decreasing since SoA. LotRO is a shell of what it was, even if we part opinions in what "quality content" LotRO has to different people it's clear the store is pointed to at every opportunity, and was confirmed by Sapience around a year ago iirc that they have no plans on developing new raids in the foreseeable future (content that apparently didn't have the quality/support to be created when compared to the return they could get by popping out some more landscape fetch quests and sell it in the store). It truly is a shame what happened to LotRO (founder here).

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

I'd say Mines of Moria (which was before F2P) was a quality expansion.

Everything after that was pretty crappy and the players knew it.

Mirkwood was "okay" but most of us blazed through it in about a week. It just went downhill after that.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Bouvin wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Ethona wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

I somehow doubt the game collapses now that it's free to play. Think about all the people that just sort of like it, bought it, but don't subscribe because they don't feel that strongly about it? Those people will actually play now.

Ya.

Just look at LoTRO after F2P.

It pretty much died, despite the influx of new players at the beginning of the switch.

Why did that happen? Because you actually need revenue to pay for game development. And when revenue starts to drop off, guess what? Game development ceases.

That's exactly what happened with LoTRO.

WHAT? What you've stated about LOTRO is 100% completely false! LOTRO has had a handful of fairly large expansions with good content since it's F2P conversion and the world has tons of active players. You shouldn't spread misleading info because you're emo taking arrows to both knees at random.

Uh, no. The quality of content has been steadily decreasing since SoA. LotRO is a shell of what it was, even if we part opinions in what "quality content" LotRO has to different people it's clear the store is pointed to at every opportunity, and was confirmed by Sapience around a year ago iirc that they have no plans on developing new raids in the foreseeable future (content that apparently didn't have the quality/support to be created when compared to the return they could get by popping out some more landscape fetch quests and sell it in the store). It truly is a shame what happened to LotRO (founder here).

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

I'd say Mines of Moria (which was before F2P) was a quality expansion.

Everything after that was pretty crappy and the players knew it.

Mirkwood was "okay" but most of us blazed through it in about a week. It just went downhill after that.

last year (2014) was supposed to be "fix the game" year. they may have an expansion for the end of 2015 though.

mirkwood is for sure when things went down hill.... they didn't even release ALL of mirkwood- just the southern portion.

jerryDboutwellb14_ESO

I for one will be joining for the first time since the initial betas. I'm excited that they are treating this sort of like Guild Wars 2. Frankly, its how the game should have launched. I've already informed 2 gaming buddies and they are excited to be playing come March. I've gone ahead and bought the game and will at least be giving Zenimax one months worth of subscription. If the main game keeps me interested I'll happy pay for expansions/add-on content later. It's how I play LOTRO.