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Does this mean no new content for 6 months?? Yes, it does.
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✭✭✭HippieTheGreat wrote: »After we get update 6, you probably won't see anything but bug fixes until August. Which sucks...remember that "4-6 week for content updates" promise? Sigh.
Enjoy update 6 for as long as you can, cause update 7 is a looong ways off
well there are quite a few bugs that need fixing. I myself would rather see bug fixes than new content.2 -
Darlantan✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....We are One
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Rydik✭✭✭✭HippieTheGreat wrote: »After we get update 6, you probably won't see anything but bug fixes until August. Which sucks...remember that "4-6 week for content updates" promise? Sigh.
Enjoy update 6 for as long as you can, cause update 7 is a looong ways off
well there are quite a few bugs that need fixing. I myself would rather see bug fixes than new content.
Don't worry, you will see ONLY bug fixes for a veeeery long time...2 -
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Yup 15$ per months, good(big) updates per 3-6 months - this is real problem...Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
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✭✭✭✭✭geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »I'm not sure why people see money they paid to subscribe in previous months as entitling them to future content...
If the subscription model stayed as is, then you'd still have to pay a monthly fee to access that content. The only difference in this system is that you might opt to pay a one-time fee for certain content instead.
People feel that way because: 1) that is what sub fees have always been for; 2) ZoS has always said that subscription fees support the development of regular content updates every 4-6 weeks; and 3) it's preposterous to think that the 135 dollars of sub fees paid by each person that has subbed for the last 9 months would be for anything else.
Please explain.
If they had stayed on the current model, would you expect your prior subscription payments to have paid for anything except the months you already played? Of course not. So why is it that your money suddenly applies to future developments? And how is being an ESO Plus member different?----
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NadiusMaximus✭✭✭✭✭geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »ZoS: Will 1.7 be available on the PC before console launch or not. A simple yes or no will do. (Hint: I'm really hoping you say Yes.)
Who else is gonna test it for them, why stop now, we've been doing it all year.
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and where did you get that 3-6 month thing... do you have a link since i did not read anything on that?
Yup 15$ per months, good(big) updates per 3-6 months - this is real problem...Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
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HippieTheGreat✭✭✭HippieTheGreat wrote: »After we get update 6, you probably won't see anything but bug fixes until August. Which sucks...remember that "4-6 week for content updates" promise? Sigh.
Enjoy update 6 for as long as you can, cause update 7 is a looong ways off
well there are quite a few bugs that need fixing. I myself would rather see bug fixes than new content.
Ya there are, and there will be more with update 6 I imagine. I'll be happy for the bug fixes as well, but as with any mmo new content keeps you playing. Aside from the big gap between update 5 to update 6, we were getting content updates pretty regularly.
Now that idea is up in the air somewhere. I cannot speak for others in this, but I'm not big on alts. I've done Caldwell's Silver and Gold, and PvP just makes me sad. Dungeon Grinding is fun to an extent, but it gets old. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't do alts so what are we to do between updates 6 and console launch if there is no content update? Updates 1-5 came with enough regularity that it kept me entertained and happy 0 -
Jando✭✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
Your post is extremely ironic. I'll let you figure out what that means and why it's so.
It's not that I am taking issue with the revenue model, per se. It's that we have not gotten confirmation from ZoS that updates on the PC version will not be stalled until updates are released on console. It's a PC vs. console issue...not a revenue model issue. I do not want to wait 6+ months for new content/updates etc. They should let us know now, so that we can decide whether or not it's worth subbing for the next 6+ months without any additional released content.Edited by Jando on January 23, 2015 4:51AMDear ZoS - Sell us great content at a reasonable price. Stop the Grind!!3 -
Dave2836✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Xbox will probably buy rights to get DLC first.
Seeing as how Xbox treated this game from the beginning with its non-negotiating stance, I doubt they will get priority access. ZOS did xbox a big solid by complying with their terms and bringing this game to fruition on their console.0 -
Buck✭✭✭geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »I think it's pretty obvious that they decided to hold back a lot of the content they'd been working on (imperial city, orsinium, murkmire, etc) to sell as DLC . And, In some ways i feel as if i will have to pay for the development of that content twice (the 9+ months of sub already paid, plus the DLC price or continued sub price). That being said, the thing that worries me the most is that we might have to wait until June 9th, assuming day 1 DLC (which in and of itself is offensive) or later until they release any additional real content.
Will they be holding back PC content updates so that additional content launches simultaneously on console and PC??
To be clear, even though 1.6 is a big update, i don't really consider it to be a major content update given that, for the most part, it's a series of updates to fix broken systems and poor decisions. Yes, i know some people might consider "phase 1" of the Justice System to be new content, but frankly, being able to pickpocket/steal some mundane items or kill npc's (only to be swiftly destroyed by an indestructible guard) isn't particularly compelling without the Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood.
So, when will we get some real content???
Yes and it's quite sad to think while I run lag against a wall in PvP for three minutes before being able to move I ofter ponder... I hope I can one day have enough crowns to purchase that wedding dress... It's nice they've been working on that dream. lol /sigh2 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
If Eso stayed sub based, we would already have 1.6, as they wouldn't devote their time to cash shop transition and items. If ESO stayed sub based, we would be talking about testing justice system and/or 1.7 at this moment. If ESO stayed sub based new content would probably still be on 4-6 weeks development cycle. Simply because no one from the development would be working on cash shop as it wouldn't exist.
Yes, you do get all new content if you are subbed when new content is released, but those 15$/month will bring you new content and new cash shop items. Meaning, the same number of devs will be working on two different things. Do you really think this new content can be equal in size as it would be if ESO stayed sub based?
Edit: So, basically, for the same amount of money you will get less content and more baubles.Edited by Razzak on January 23, 2015 8:28AM3 -
Darlantan✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
If Eso stayed sub based, we would already have 1.6, as they wouldn't devote their time to cash shop transition and items. If ESO stayed sub based, we would be talking about testing justice system and/or 1.7 at this moment. If ESO stayed sub based new content would probably still be on 4-6 weeks development cycle. Simply because no one from the development would be working on cash shop as it wouldn't exist.
Yes, you do get all new content if you are subbed when new content is released, but those 15$/month will bring you new content and new cash shop items. Meaning, the same number of devs will be working on two different things. Do you really think this new content can be equal in size as it would be if ESO stayed sub based?
Edit: So, basically, for the same amount of money you will get less content and more baubles.
Sorry, but unless you can show some real proof what you are saying is nothing more than speculation.We are One3 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
If Eso stayed sub based, we would already have 1.6, as they wouldn't devote their time to cash shop transition and items. If ESO stayed sub based, we would be talking about testing justice system and/or 1.7 at this moment. If ESO stayed sub based new content would probably still be on 4-6 weeks development cycle. Simply because no one from the development would be working on cash shop as it wouldn't exist.
Yes, you do get all new content if you are subbed when new content is released, but those 15$/month will bring you new content and new cash shop items. Meaning, the same number of devs will be working on two different things. Do you really think this new content can be equal in size as it would be if ESO stayed sub based?
Edit: So, basically, for the same amount of money you will get less content and more baubles.
Sorry, but unless you can show some real proof what you are saying is nothing more than speculation.
You are correct, I have no proof. But you would have to be really naive to believe I am completely wrong in my assessment. But, there's always a chance I really could be.
What do you think? Will we have the SAME amount of work being done to new content with B2P as we would have if ESO remained sub based?0 -
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✭Will we have the SAME amount of work being done to new content with B2P as we would have if ESO remained sub based?
This game wouldn't stay alive if they chose to stick to the current business model, so it's a moot question, isn't it? The new business model won't necessarily help either. They are probably neither greedy nor dishonest, just struggling to stay in business. They are just not making enough money, because the game they created was not well enough made, and did not become the huge success they imagined.
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »Will we have the SAME amount of work being done to new content with B2P as we would have if ESO remained sub based?
This game wouldn't stay alive if they chose to stick to the current business model, so it's a moot question, isn't it? The new business model won't necessarily help either. They are probably neither greedy nor dishonest, just struggling to stay in business. They are just not making enough money, because the game they created was not well enough made, and did not become the huge success they imagined.
Does this mean we get less, more or the same amount of new content, for the same amount of money/month?0 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭Try a year, while I like say SWTOR's model (gimped F2P forcing you to sub) cash shop definitely slowed down new content.
Developer resources are limited and no, they won't hire a new team for cash shop, they'll reshuffle what they have, fire some, hire others to keep expenses same or lower.1 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭No content till June is a tragic prospect but a realistic one. No impact on consoles, no extra DLC needed before console even releases, no impact on new players jumping on the B2P bandwagon.
The only people effected are the original customers who have done all the content. In all reality we are has beens and are not the focus so are acceptable casualties in the grand scheme of things.5 -
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✭✭There is absolutely no reason to pay the sub after 1.6 comes out until they provide new content.
ZOS have promised ( ) that the shop will only sell baubles and fripperies, so there's no need to have crowns. Just play 1.6, and gain those CP grinding in Craglorn, for free.
New content will come out - they've already developed the content we were promised but was withheld until it went pay to play - but we don't know how much or how regularly, so again it doesn't make sense to permanently sub.
As for when it comes out, well either they stagger PC and console releases (so we can test for them) or PC releases will be delayed until console players need new content, which won't be for a while...
Either way I think it might be a while before we get anything new after 1.6.
And as for 1.7 and the removal of VR... well, don't hold your breath.4 -
Berbecca✭✭burningcrow wrote: »It will be like GW2... if they want to be successful at the B2P model at least.
I may be wrong, but since release GW2 didn't charge for new content. Only for costumes and extend inventory and stuff like that.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »There is absolutely no reason to pay the sub after 1.6 comes out until they provide new content.
ZOS have promised ( ) that the shop will only sell baubles and fripperies, so there's no need to have crowns. Just play 1.6, and gain those CP grinding in Craglorn, for free.
New content will come out - they've already developed the content we were promised but was withheld until it went pay to play - but we don't know how much or how regularly, so again it doesn't make sense to permanently sub.
As for when it comes out, well either they stagger PC and console releases (so we can test for them) or PC releases will be delayed until console players need new content, which won't be for a while...
Either way I think it might be a while before we get anything new after 1.6.
And as for 1.7 and the removal of VR... well, don't hold your breath.
Except by your own peculiar brand of logic, the only way they'll be earning money is if they continue to release new content. So why would they hold back on releasing that content?----
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✭✭✭✭✭geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »So, when will we get some real content???
Given they're also trying to sell content on the consoles? We're probably looking at 3 to 4 DLC a year. Judging by DCUO's history. For PC only titles, you're right, it'd probably slow down to one every 6-9 months. But, we'll see.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Geez some people are *** pathetic when it come time to reading and understating a text.
The information we have right now stated that if you are a ESO Plus member you will get free access to all DLC. The only people who will be required to pay for the DLC are the one who are not a ESO Plus member.
What part is hard too understand. You pay 15$ a month = free DLC plus some other free goodies. 0$ = you need to pay for the DLC....
If Eso stayed sub based, we would already have 1.6, as they wouldn't devote their time to cash shop transition and items. If ESO stayed sub based, we would be talking about testing justice system and/or 1.7 at this moment. If ESO stayed sub based new content would probably still be on 4-6 weeks development cycle. Simply because no one from the development would be working on cash shop as it wouldn't exist.
Yes, you do get all new content if you are subbed when new content is released, but those 15$/month will bring you new content and new cash shop items. Meaning, the same number of devs will be working on two different things. Do you really think this new content can be equal in size as it would be if ESO stayed sub based?
Edit: So, basically, for the same amount of money you will get less content and more baubles.
Frankly, I don't think the cash shop will deter that much from content development. What they will do is develop as normal, and then fork some of the content they created into the cash shop, separately.
Let's say they would have added Craglorn as a DLC back then, they time would not add the Way of Fire / Air / Martial Knowledge sets to the game, but use those styles as a costume to put into the store ("Yokuda Pack", something). Similarly, they would add a Welwa and Camel mount as well as Fellrunner and Wormmouth pets.
That items in the cash shop are relatively low in development cost is part of the catch - minimal investment for maximum return.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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starkerealm wrote: »
Given they're also trying to sell content on the consoles? We're probably looking at 3 to 4 DLC a year. Judging by DCUO's history. For PC only titles, you're right, it'd probably slow down to one every 6-9 months. But, we'll see.
And IF that content is as lean as the pathetic DLCs in DCUO I will MOST certainly be gone before the nails are in this coffin. This is the first MMO I have played in 10 years to begin this slide downward so quickly and it is sad.
This is a GREAT OP btw - many in my circle of friends and guild have all been asking this as from what we are seeing 1.6 is not new content per se. Most of us are pretty burned out as it is and the lag and zergs in PvP makes that almost an unbearable Band-Aid for the lack of new end game content.
And despite all the naysayers and fanbois on these forums there is no doubt the silence from Zos coupled with empty promises warrants the foul mood on the forums nowadays. I have been an optimist since beta, perhaps a fool now, but while my original guild went from MANY enthusiastic players to cancelled subs I continued plugging away at ESO and bragging about all the improvements to the game. I'm now a much more reserved optimist and I think it is unlikely we will see any new content other than the systems they have already revealed to us. Spellcrafting, Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, etc. will be in the cash shop as DLCs for sure or free for Premium subscribers.
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✭✭✭✭✭bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »I read somewhere Wrothgar would be comming together with the F2P or console release so I assume 1.6 will be already out and Wrothgar is 1.7
I remember something about Wrothgar being tied to the Justice system, as a kind of criminal playground. But, that was at or after Quakecon.jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Given they're also trying to sell content on the consoles? We're probably looking at 3 to 4 DLC a year. Judging by DCUO's history. For PC only titles, you're right, it'd probably slow down to one every 6-9 months. But, we'll see.
And IF that content is as lean as the pathetic DLCs in DCUO I will MOST certainly be gone before the nails are in this coffin. This is the first MMO I have played in 10 years to begin this slide downward so quickly and it is sad.
If I'm just musing, it's possible the entire MMO framework is doomed, thanks to Asian free to grinds.
We'll see. If Craglorn is a good example of what's coming our way for a DLC release. And they're able to push them out every three to four months, ESO could have some life in it. There's always going to be people that will burn through the content faster than you can release it. And catering to those players alone will burn everyone else in the process, because you need to treat the game like a full time job just to keep up.
But, we'll see.jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 wrote: »I'm now a much more reserved optimist and I think it is unlikely we will see any new content other than the systems they have already revealed to us. Spellcrafting, Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, etc. will be in the cash shop as DLCs for sure or free for Premium subscribers.
Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild will (almost certainly) have associated skill lines. (The way Mage's and Fighters' guild do now.) If that's the case, and barring a change in philosophy for content gating, those guilds will have to be accessible to non-subscribers.
It's possible the guild questlines will be DLC, while anyone can just join it. Spellcrafting is almost certainly going to be open to everyone, simply because it would be too disruptive to gate.Edited by starkerealm on January 23, 2015 2:24PM1 -
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We were never going to see Akavir. ZOS pretty much confirmed that right back at the beginning; BGS do not want ZOS ruining the mystery of other continents.So.... We can pretty much give up hope on ever seeing Akavir...
Funny, I assumed Wrothgar was going to be the first paid DLC, and that Imperial City will be 1.7... I hope ZOS give a timeframe for some of these things in the Road Ahead next week.starkerealm wrote: »bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »I read somewhere Wrothgar would be comming together with the F2P or console release so I assume 1.6 will be already out and Wrothgar is 1.7
I remember something about Wrothgar being tied to the Justice system, as a kind of criminal playground. But, that was at or after Quakecon.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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We were never going to see Akavir. ZOS pretty much confirmed that right back at the beginning; BGS do not want ZOS ruining the mystery of other continents.So.... We can pretty much give up hope on ever seeing Akavir...
Funny, I assumed Wrothgar was going to be the first paid DLC, and that Imperial City will be 1.7... I hope ZOS give a timeframe for some of these things in the Road Ahead next week.starkerealm wrote: »bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »I read somewhere Wrothgar would be comming together with the F2P or console release so I assume 1.6 will be already out and Wrothgar is 1.7
I remember something about Wrothgar being tied to the Justice system, as a kind of criminal playground. But, that was at or after Quakecon.
No, they've said Wrothgar will be the first DLC pack. I'm guessing that means it's specifically designed to work as a "criminal playground." Which, honestly was kind of what they said back at Quakecon. Just, then, it was going to be free content for everyone.
I suspect, Wrothgar's going to be out with the Unlimited launch, or out day of the console launch. But, again, I don't know.0
