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Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P/B2P game at all?
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭RianaTheBosmer wrote: »RianaTheBosmer wrote: »Since when is an MMO competitive gaming. That's ridiculous. You are not winning anything at all, even in PvP. From the sounds of some of the people on this forum, you'd thinking gaming is your second job. It is not.
Spoken like a true casual, well played.
And again you throw insults around. You have no idea what my gaming is. I'm hard core PvE/raider in another gaming. I still don't consider it winning. I'm competing against myself and supporting my team. Keep your insults to yourself. I swear this community is as vitriol as WOW's is.
Sure you are.
Since when has "casual" been an insult?
People these days...
I consider it winning when I accomplish something others have not done.
I consider it winning when I beat someone in PvP, especially when it's a 1vX fight.
There are people with competitive attitude, not just in gaming but in everything life has to offer.
And I dare say those people do significantly better in life.6 -
Rescorla_ESO✭✭✭✭
I think you miss something. LOL is the game with the large cash shop income in any game at all. And right after come SWORT. There is a chart out there if you look it up.
I think you're missing something.
LoL doesn't require big content updates ranging from PvE/Crafting to PvP/RP etc. It does not require huge development power, nor does character strength matter much in a MOBA, where games last 15-30 minutes. MMO "matches" last a lifetime.
No but you talk like LOL has a cash shop as it dont need a high income and that is way it has it? But still it has the highest income at all so i don't see your point?
Has way it potato?
I'm having difficulty understanding what you're saying, but yeah LoL has a cash shop (and it gets a lot of income from sponsor deals etc)
Read my previous reply as to why you can't compare a MOBA and a MMO.
No but we talk cash shop and income its the same ***. Alot of money can be made on skins, effects, mount, xp boosters etc. with out making it P2W. And still run fine. So what im saying is i think you underestimate it.
What I'm still saying is, you can't compare a MOBA (or its Cash Shop) to a MMO (and its Cash Shop). Not possible.
Please provide an example of a MMO that does not have items providing direct or indirect advantages to players in its Cash Shop.
I'm waiting.
Of the MMOs I've played, only Neverwinter had blatantly P2W items in the cash shop. I'm not aware of anything else sold in cash shops of other MMOs that justifies the conniption fit a lot of doom and gloomers are having.2 -
Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
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https://www.warframe.com/
Warframe is another one. I haven't played it myself but everything I've read says the cash shop is very fair and not pay-2-win.Edited by Miszou on January 22, 2015 8:08PM0 -
LunaRae✭✭✭✭Rescorla_ESO wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Nope.
We already have soul gems confirmed in the Crown Store too.
If you believe having soul gems available for purchase in the cash shop equates to Pay 2 Win then you may as well quit playing now.
How about I buy 10000 stacks of soul gems and sell them 3k/each to vendors?
I'd be the the richest person in Tamriel for spending $$$.
I hope they work out a solution around that problem.
They already said several times on stream and in the forums you can't sell crown purchases. If you'd take the time to educate yourself before posting you wouldn't look like a fool.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
PoE, 2 updates a year. Very small MMO, completed in around 2 days with no real end game content. And yeah, having additional stash space for $$$ is bs.
Source: played it for a week, never looked back.
Firefall, can't comment since I haven't played/read about it.0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Rescorla_ESO wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Nope.
We already have soul gems confirmed in the Crown Store too.
If you believe having soul gems available for purchase in the cash shop equates to Pay 2 Win then you may as well quit playing now.
How about I buy 10000 stacks of soul gems and sell them 3k/each to vendors?
I'd be the the richest person in Tamriel for spending $$$.
I hope they work out a solution around that problem.
They already said several times on stream and in the forums you can't sell crown purchases. If you'd take the time to educate yourself before posting you wouldn't look like a fool.
Very well, I must've missed that. See, I can be wrong.
I think the "fool" was unnecessary
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Castagere✭✭✭✭✭So far i don't see p2w here at all. But the player that does only pve won't care one way or the other. From what i'm seeing its the pvp players that are afraid of p2w happening. And they are right to be upset about it. I have seen it happen in a lot of mmo's. The last one was Star Trek online. The cash shop started out fine but now it is so bad that pvp players left in droves. Not saying it will happen here but the cash shop track record in mmo's is not good.2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wouldn't consider GW2 P2W.
Oh please...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store
Only one crafting profession if I don't pay 10$?
Hundreds of $$$ to get full inventory & bank space?
WvW Experience Boosters? (AP equivalent)
Rare Item finder boosters? (now that'd be fun with Undaunted helms...)
Chest keys?
One of the most disgusting models out there, that creates inconveniences (such as bank/inventory space) in order to make people use $$$, as well as having P2W elements such as "boosters".Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2015 8:10PM4 -
Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
PoE, 2 updates a year. Very small MMO, completed in around 2 days with no real end game content. And yeah, having additional stash space for $$$ is bs.
Source: played it for a week, never looked back.
Firefall, can't comment since I haven't played/read about it.
Your rage is blinding you. Plenty of people have shown you very successful cosmetic-only payment models, yet every one of them somehow fails to pass your personal litmus test.5 -
Emencie✭✭✭✭The answer is flat out no.
The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact.
It doesn't matter how much you think LoL's shop isn't really that bad, or how TSW's shop has only minor things, or how much you don't think soulgems and potions wont be a big deal in ESO.
The point is, all of these games and every F2P game with a cash shop sells more than just cosmetic items. What you may consider pay to win may not be what others consider pay to win, but once a game sells any in game advantage in their cash shop they will be accused of pay to win. ZoS did that with their first day of F2P
As a side note, it is just laughable to me how many people think that the cash shop potions are going to be the vendor potions. No one will ever buy them if they are simply the vendor potions. They will be better, period. We get so many of them we vendor trash them! Why would they sell those!
I know ZoS said that alchemist potions would still be better. but seriously... A tri-potion that is 5% less healing is still worse than what is craft able. But I bet you people will flock to buy them if they become available at $1.00 for a stack of 5!
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
PoE, 2 updates a year. Very small MMO, completed in around 2 days with no real end game content. And yeah, having additional stash space for $$$ is bs.
Source: played it for a week, never looked back.
Firefall, can't comment since I haven't played/read about it.
Your rage is blinding you. Plenty of people have shown you very successful cosmetic-only payment models, yet every one of them somehow fails to pass your personal litmus test.
Have I said that they aren't succesfull? Nope.
Being succesfull has little to do with being a good MMO (or even game in general, just look at Skyrim & compare to previous titles...)
A game getting 2 updates a year is not a good MMO, nor is a game revolving around Cash Shop purchases and who has the most $$$.
Only example I don't have in-depth knowledge of is Firefall which you mentioned earlier, I'll read up on that later, whether it has interesting end game, frequent content updates & whether cash shop is purely cosmetic (like the OP of this thread is asking).
You know, maybe it's not about "personal litmus tests", but actually wanting to spend your time well, playing a quality game where you can feel competitive without the corrupting element of money.Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2015 8:19PM2 -
Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭The answer is flat out no.
The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/0 -
kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wouldn't consider GW2 P2W.
Oh please...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store
Only one crafting profession if I don't pay 10$?
Hundreds of $$$ to get full inventory & bank space?
WvW Experience Boosters? (AP equivalent)
Rare Item finder boosters? (now that'd be fun with Undaunted helms...)
Chest keys?
One of the most disgusting models out there, that creates inconveniences (such as bank/inventory space) in order to make people use $$$, as well as having P2W elements such as "boosters".
You could actually have two professions if I remember right but to get a third one you had to deactivate one of them and put it in a queue of sorts to raise the new one. So you could max all crafting on one toon if you wanted if you didn't mind activating/reactivating them. Also in GW2 people had tons of alts do it didn't matter.
You could get full inventory pretty easily w/o ever going to the cash store I had a ton of backpacks from doing the PVE content.
The bank didn't need to be full to get use out of it, it's there for hoarders mostly, especially since crafting materials went into a separate bank space that had a slot for each crafting material up to a stack of 250 per item.
WvW experience boosters weren't a big deal at all, WvW is account wide and easily upped just WvWing, I had some boosters, I never bothered with them. That's hardly P2W.
The magic find booster was a joke, it didn't effect hardly anything as this game was based on tokens. Maybe you got a couple of fractal shards which let you buy some good rings but if you did fractals you already had dozens of rings without using any booster.
chest keys were for black lion chests which had random items drop from them, people bought them for cosmetic things they held in them such as pets or dyes.
you never played this game did you?0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
edit:
https://www.warframe.com/
Warframe is another one. I haven't played it myself but everything I've read says the cash shop is very fair and not pay-2-win.
big ole nope on firefall played that game myself, they pulled a 100$ dollar bait and switch with the pre order vehicle. then made the new 100$ pack the only way to get a 2 person vehicle lol. might have changed it since then but i wasnt gonna spend another 100$ after all the bs we had already put up with
may not be pay to win but wouldnt call it a shinning exampleEdited by Naivefanboi on January 22, 2015 8:24PM0 -
Rescorla_ESO✭✭✭✭I wouldn't consider GW2 P2W.
Oh please...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store
Only one crafting profession if I don't pay 10$?
Hundreds of $$$ to get full inventory & bank space?
WvW Experience Boosters? (AP equivalent)
Rare Item finder boosters? (now that'd be fun with Undaunted helms...)
Chest keys?
One of the most disgusting models out there, that creates inconveniences (such as bank/inventory space) in order to make people use $$$, as well as having P2W elements such as "boosters".
Oh please give me a break. Everything you listed is either a convenience item which has absolutely nothing to do with P2W or a booster. As long as the booster doesn't give a combat advantage in PVP, who cares what kind of advantage it gives you in PVE?1 -
Emencie✭✭✭✭
Right... a F2P game, where paying gives in game advantage.The answer is flat out no.
The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
You will have to explain the context of your link for me to respond more.
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Kraven✭✭✭✭✭You can believe them when they say crafted potions are better. For now. But what is the point in spending real cash on an item you can get in game super cheap?
The ENTIRE point of a cash shop system is to entice players to buy the items. It REQUIRES players to buy the items in order for the company to make money. After all isn't it the fans of B2P saying that it will bring in more money than a sub?
So they lost quite a few subscribers long before this announcement but last numbers released were 600k? Let's say it they lost 1/3 of their entire player base (Over shooting here, I don't think they lost nearly that many. It's possible though). Leaving 400k subscribers, for a grand total of $6,000,000 per month in subs. Now, they have to make more than that per month. So for arguments sake let's say the lost a simple 1/8th from the announcement, now they'll be making $5.25M per month. So not only does the cash shop have to earn more money it has to first earn as much money. So it has to make 750k per month to be on par, shouldn't be hard initially. Additional consoles means you have the customers from both servers, But then there is the separate server maintenance to consider for additional servers, eh let's forget that for now.
In order to make money the cash shop HAS to have players spending money on it, it HAS to have items players want and feel are worth the money. So of course the items will get better over time until they are obviously better so as to be worth the money.
Add to that the DLC, it has to be released on 3 platforms simultaneously. Do you see how long of a delay between PC and console release was? Every bit of new content will be delayed so it can port to all three at the same time. On top of which it has to be cheap enough that B2P players won't shy away from the additional content and at the same time enticing enough that they will want to buy.
If you count in box sales for the consoles the numbers will probably look pretty good at the end of this year. Of course we're already aware of the DLC they've been sitting on. Thieves and DB were promised "shortly after release" (if only we had known they meant actual release in 2015 and not open beta release of 2014), Wrothgar is another one, completion of champion and justice system. All get split up and broken down to trickle DLC out at an acceptable pace.
They will fluff their numbers this year with these sales. Next year after they start to lose players again they'll drop the Spell Crafting. Spell crafting is going to completely change the entire game after all. So much like they're doing this year with 1.6 and the champion system, (Dropping something you were all looking forward to after delivering bad news, in an attempt to make more people pliable and accepting) they'll do similar next year with spell crafting.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"3 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wouldn't consider GW2 P2W.
Oh please...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store
Only one crafting profession if I don't pay 10$?
Hundreds of $$$ to get full inventory & bank space?
WvW Experience Boosters? (AP equivalent)
Rare Item finder boosters? (now that'd be fun with Undaunted helms...)
Chest keys?
One of the most disgusting models out there, that creates inconveniences (such as bank/inventory space) in order to make people use $$$, as well as having P2W elements such as "boosters".
You could actually have two professions if I remember right but to get a third one you had to deactivate one of them and put it in a queue of sorts to raise the new one. So you could max all crafting on one toon if you wanted if you didn't mind activating/reactivating them. Also in GW2 people had tons of alts do it didn't matter.
You could get full inventory pretty easily w/o ever going to the cash store I had a ton of backpacks from doing the PVE content.
The bank didn't need to be full to get use out of it, it's there for hoarders mostly, especially since crafting materials went into a separate bank space that had a slot for each crafting material up to a stack of 250 per item.
WvW experience boosters weren't a big deal at all, WvW is account wide and easily upped just WvWing, I had some boosters, I never bothered with them. That's hardly P2W.
The magic find booster was a joke, it didn't effect hardly anything as this game was based on tokens. Maybe you got a couple of fractal shards which let you buy some good rings but if you did fractals you already had dozens of rings without using any booster.
chest keys were for black lion chests which had random items drop from them, people bought them for cosmetic things they held in them such as pets or dyes.
you never played this game did you?
That's not only direct & indirect advantages (P2W), but also inconveniences that make you spend $$$, no matter how you spin it around. If I'm a "hoarder" (read: more dedicated player with more mats & gear sets than you), I have to pay extra? Disgusting.
And sounds like you enjoyed using that shop for those advantages.
Keep defending the corporate greed & bad practices, you're doing gaming a huge service...
And yes, I did play the game (for a week). Too much casual focus & cash shop made me want to vomit (I do admit, I should've done better research on the game before purchasing).Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2015 8:34PM2 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
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and that will be the first thing changed as selling stuff from the cash shop by players is actually the main source of income cash shops generate.Rescorla_ESO wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Nope.
We already have soul gems confirmed in the Crown Store too.
If you believe having soul gems available for purchase in the cash shop equates to Pay 2 Win then you may as well quit playing now.
How about I buy 10000 stacks of soul gems and sell them 3k/each to vendors?
I'd be the the richest person in Tamriel for spending $$$.
I hope they work out a solution around that problem.
They already said several times on stream and in the forums you can't sell crown purchases. If you'd take the time to educate yourself before posting you wouldn't look like a fool.
why restricting yourself to sell only one costume to one player - if you could sell 5 to him and him selling 4 for ig cash to other players.
as those who are in "desperate" need are buying anyway so that wont touch the income from those players but they do aquire a part of the F2P playerbase indirectly aswell thats alot of additional income.
Edited by Tankqull on January 23, 2015 12:29AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭jjf42001_ESO wrote: »https://www.pathofexile.com/shop
Path of Exile is cosmetic-only, with the minor exception that additional stash space is often accused of being pay-2-win, depending on who you ask.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
Firefall is also cosmetic/convenience only. Everything on the store can be purchased or earned in-game. There is a VIP subscription that gives similar things to ESO Plus - XP boosts, additional crafting capacity etc. but it is not required and 100% of the game content is available without it.
edit:
https://www.warframe.com/
Warframe is another one. I haven't played it myself but everything I've read says the cash shop is very fair and not pay-2-win.
big ole nope on firefall played that game myself, they pulled a 100$ dollar bait and switch with the pre order vehicle. then made the new 100$ pack the only way to get a 2 person vehicle lol. might have changed it since then but i wasnt gonna spend another 100$ after all the bs we had already put up with
may not be pay to win but wouldnt call it a shinning example
You've lost me.
Also, 2 person vehicles are not pay-2-win. In fact, you rarely even need a vehicle at all if you have a re-usable glider pad.
Actually, nothing in any of the supporter packs is pay-2-win either.
Your personal experience (spending $100 on a supporter pack) doesn't negate the fact that Firefall is a good example of a cosmetic/convenience only cash shop.
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Kraven✭✭✭✭✭All in all they need more money from you. The subscribers who have already proven they're willing to spend money on the game. At last count 20% of B2P/F2P MMO players actually spent money on in game cash shops. Meaning the weight of financially supporting the company falls on that 20% (of which subscribers are a part of). How many numbers does it take for 20% to float $5m per month, in order for you to spend an 'acceptable' amount? And if $5m per month is a loss then how many players does it take for that 20% to actually be enough?
You can think cash shop won't affect your game. Good luck with that.
V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
V2 - REDGUARD DRAGONKNIGHT - MELEE DPS
V1 - BRETON TEMPLAR - TANK/DPS
to be continued... Nevermind, no longer "to be continued"2 -
Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
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Right... a F2P game, where paying gives in game advantage.The answer is flat out no.
The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
You will have to explain the context of your link for me to respond more.
Yeah, don't make sarcastic remarks if you don't know what you're talking about.
Unfortunately, Firefall doesn't have their store contents available online, but feel free to download the game from here, check the store and get back to me when you find a pay-2-win item in there.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/download
Thanks.
edit: better download linkEdited by Miszou on January 22, 2015 8:39PM0 -
kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wouldn't consider GW2 P2W.
Oh please...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store
Only one crafting profession if I don't pay 10$?
Hundreds of $$$ to get full inventory & bank space?
WvW Experience Boosters? (AP equivalent)
Rare Item finder boosters? (now that'd be fun with Undaunted helms...)
Chest keys?
One of the most disgusting models out there, that creates inconveniences (such as bank/inventory space) in order to make people use $$$, as well as having P2W elements such as "boosters".
You could actually have two professions if I remember right but to get a third one you had to deactivate one of them and put it in a queue of sorts to raise the new one. So you could max all crafting on one toon if you wanted if you didn't mind activating/reactivating them. Also in GW2 people had tons of alts do it didn't matter.
You could get full inventory pretty easily w/o ever going to the cash store I had a ton of backpacks from doing the PVE content.
The bank didn't need to be full to get use out of it, it's there for hoarders mostly, especially since crafting materials went into a separate bank space that had a slot for each crafting material up to a stack of 250 per item.
WvW experience boosters weren't a big deal at all, WvW is account wide and easily upped just WvWing, I had some boosters, I never bothered with them. That's hardly P2W.
The magic find booster was a joke, it didn't effect hardly anything as this game was based on tokens. Maybe you got a couple of fractal shards which let you buy some good rings but if you did fractals you already had dozens of rings without using any booster.
chest keys were for black lion chests which had random items drop from them, people bought them for cosmetic things they held in them such as pets or dyes.
you never played this game did you?
That's not only direct & indirect advantages (P2W), but also inconveniences that make you spend $$$, no matter how you spin it around. If I'm a "hoarder" (read: more dedicated player with more mats & gear sets than you), I have to pay extra? Disgusting.
And sounds like you enjoyed using that shop for those advantages.
Keep defending the corporate greed & bad practices, you're doing gaming a huge service...
And yes, I did play the game (for a week). Too much casual focus & cash shop made me want to vomit (I do admit, I should've done better research on the game before purchasing).
So basically you don't know squat about the game and are talking out of your arse. You also don't know how to read. I said earlier mats had their own separate bank slots that weren't tied to your regular bank. They were free, to anyone.
You don't know how crafting worked.
You don't know how useless boosters are and how no one uses them
Also where did you get hoarder = dedicated? If that's your mindset that's just sad. You're utterly ignorant on the games mechanics and how anything works but yet choose to argue with someone who does. Pathetic.1 -
Emencie✭✭✭✭
Right... a F2P game, where paying gives in game advantage.The answer is flat out no.
The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/
You will have to explain the context of your link for me to respond more.
Yeah, don't make sarcastic remarks if you don't know what you're talking about.
Unfortunately, Firefall doesn't have their store contents available online, but feel free to download the game from here, check the store and get back to me when you find a pay-2-win item in there.
http://www.firefallthegame.com/download
Thanks.
edit: better download link
You brought up pay 2 win not me. I plainly and very simply stated
"The question was
Do cosmetic only cash shops exist in any F2P game?
No they do not!
This is just a fact."
This remains true, including Firefall which does not sell cosmetic items only.
Just because you feel that the item doesn't give a huge advantage doesn't mean everyone feels that way. Any advantage no matter how small can easily be thought of as P2W. 10% XP means nothing to me because I grind my face off, but a person who is bad at grinding or making money may feel it is very advantageous to get that bonus, While many PvE (non trial) players may not see that good cash shop potions could unbalance the game or soul gems as worthless. As a PvPer I find potions and everyone with infinite stacks of soulgems as game breaking.
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Cyhawk✭✭✭There are three games that I know of that are cosmetic only.
Soulblight Mud. My defunct MUD, but it was titles/equipment name changes only. A few other convience items like quick Guild creation (as opposed to 500k gold which was significant) This was back in 97-2002 even then I knew P2W was lame. Federation, another mud (that people might actually know) used something similar with Slyphies. I know they could be used to buy planet enhancements that had no real effect on gameplay.
Actual games people would know:
Path of Exile. Ok ok bank space/character slots are one thing, but everything else is cosmetic. Wish they'd let us buy a way to turn off rain...
Eve-online. 100% cosmetic. Mostly from community backlash. Also who the heck looks at their character in Eve? This was mostly a test for the WoD MMO (which I believe is never coming. Sadface)
Thats about it.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think, the worst think they are going to add, are 3 stat potions or food.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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