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A Concern Regarding PvP and Tamriel Unlimited
Times are changing for ESO, as we all can see. While I am still up in the air regarding how I feel about these changes, I do believe I am willing to give things a chance before I make any judgement, good or bad, on what has happened and the future of ESO going forward.
I do have a concern however, that I feel needs to be addressed.
I like Cyrodiil PvP. I am very much so looking forward to the Justice System as well and what will be as close to 'open world PvP' as ESO can get, once the system is in full effect. My time in Cyrodiil will not diminish however as I am also looking forward to the Imperial City as well.
My concern comes in regarding recent changes that were made to the population cap and the attempt to stem the lag issues within Cyrodiil. The reduction in the population cap, while it has reduced the lag and made game-play a bit smoother and manageable, has had the unfortunate effect of saddling the player-base with a queue, especially on NA Thornblade during prime-time. At times an inconvenient queue that can last upwards of 2 hours. This darkens the luster of Cyrodiil, especially if you only have a limited time to play and that time is taken up with a queue.
What is going to happen when Tamriel Unlimited goes live in March, and what one can assume will be thousands of new players purchasing ESO? I assume that Cyrodiil PvP will be accessible by anyone that has purchased the game, whether or not they purchase an ESO Plus Membership.
It can be assumed that many of the new players to ESO will be PvPers and with that we may very well see a significant jump up in queue times for Cryodiil. Perhaps a significant enough jump up to alienate a good portion of the already existing player-base. Prime-time PvP may even see large portions of the player-base never setting foot in Cyrodiil again simply because of the increased queue times.
So my question is this:
With the implementation of Tamriel Unlimited and the possibility of an influx of thousands of new players to ESO, what is being done to ensure that ALL players will still be able to enjoy PvP within Cyrodiil and not have to wait on ever-increasing queue times?
I do have a concern however, that I feel needs to be addressed.
I like Cyrodiil PvP. I am very much so looking forward to the Justice System as well and what will be as close to 'open world PvP' as ESO can get, once the system is in full effect. My time in Cyrodiil will not diminish however as I am also looking forward to the Imperial City as well.
My concern comes in regarding recent changes that were made to the population cap and the attempt to stem the lag issues within Cyrodiil. The reduction in the population cap, while it has reduced the lag and made game-play a bit smoother and manageable, has had the unfortunate effect of saddling the player-base with a queue, especially on NA Thornblade during prime-time. At times an inconvenient queue that can last upwards of 2 hours. This darkens the luster of Cyrodiil, especially if you only have a limited time to play and that time is taken up with a queue.
What is going to happen when Tamriel Unlimited goes live in March, and what one can assume will be thousands of new players purchasing ESO? I assume that Cyrodiil PvP will be accessible by anyone that has purchased the game, whether or not they purchase an ESO Plus Membership.
It can be assumed that many of the new players to ESO will be PvPers and with that we may very well see a significant jump up in queue times for Cryodiil. Perhaps a significant enough jump up to alienate a good portion of the already existing player-base. Prime-time PvP may even see large portions of the player-base never setting foot in Cyrodiil again simply because of the increased queue times.
So my question is this:
With the implementation of Tamriel Unlimited and the possibility of an influx of thousands of new players to ESO, what is being done to ensure that ALL players will still be able to enjoy PvP within Cyrodiil and not have to wait on ever-increasing queue times?
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NotSo✭✭✭✭Yeah, won't just be thornblade exclusive funtimes anymore.Gar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade2 -
MrGhosty✭✭✭✭✭I'm kind of the opinion everyone who is currently subbed should get queue priority for the life of their account, then all new subbers, then unsubs."It is a time of strife and unrest. Armies of revenants and dark spirits manifest in every corner of Tamriel. Winters grow colder and crops fail. Mystics are plagued by nightmares and portents of doom."2 -
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✭When the new mob comes to play, I picture a lot of pvp downtime or very long queues everywhere.
I still predict DC will have the lowest wait time, cause everyone loves ad cause all the chars look female and everyone loves buff nords in the ep and the dark elves.
Also given the plus membership is focus on increase char progression, predict they will add one final touch to it ap gainsEdited by RedTalon on January 22, 2015 8:03AM0 -
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✭✭A few months later after the change, when the first new players hitting max. Level:
"Okay guys queue only 548 today, join you in around 4 hours!"
*epic sound * 4 hours later
"I am finally in, invite me pls."
20 minutes later - game crash
Relogging and see myself back in the PvE zones.
"Queue 789, okay guys see ya tomorrow. "
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Would prolly rather look like this:A few months later after the change, when the first new players hitting max. Level:
"Okay guys queue only 548 today, join you in around 4 hours!"
*epic sound * 4 hours later
"I am finally in, invite me pls."
20 minutes later - game crash
Relogging and see myself back in the PvE zones.
"Queue 789, okay guys see ya tomorrow. "
4 hours later: "***, I got me smth to eat and missed my queue".
I hope they increase the pop limits again. It didnt help with the lag at all. Might as well remove the queues.
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✭✭✭✭As long as there are still nearly empty campaigns during prime time, there is absolutely no need to raise the population caps. Instead of stubbornly queuing for a campaign like Thornblade and cry about population caps, move to a different campaign.
In the case of EU, Azura's Star was nearly empty during prime time last night and Chillrend is still a DC buff campaign asking for a revolution. Take your pick!Edited by Lava_Croft on January 22, 2015 9:26AM0 -
suycyco✭✭✭Let's hope that new players choose massively DC and AD since EP is already quite full.3 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭They removed campaigns in the past, so they can add them again if needed.
edit: right now not even all of the existing campaigns are full, so yeah. If you're stuck in queue it's your decision. Although it is true that I also hope for more DC and AD players to even out the population balance.Edited by r.jan_emailb16_ESO on January 22, 2015 10:04AMLairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭I think you'll find those who sub will jump to the front of the queue for PvP. Anyway, let's hope so...
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As to how an influx will effect campaigns as they are now, assuming that they are in the same state then, and that there is a large net influx of PC players interested in AvA (recall that many will go from PC to console), then yes there will be overflow into the emptier campaigns but many players will still want to join a 30-day because it allows more sense of investment and a back and forth for supremacy. Plus, at least initially, many will want to go to the "it" campaign, which will likely still be Thornblade.
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bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭they'll add some more campains again, prob solved
so u say reducing pop cap has improved the lagg....? I didn't notice any difference except more Q timeHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »They removed campaigns in the past, so they can add them again if needed.
Adding campaigns is exactly what I think will happen. Right now with the PVP populations slowly but steadily increasing, every campaign sees at least two factions reach two bars or more during NA prime time. Thornblade might not be the only campaign to see all three populations regularly locked once 1.6 arrives. More campaigns are definitely going to be needed for the XBox One and PS4 players.
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Jahosefat✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »They removed campaigns in the past, so they can add them again if needed.
Would adding campaigns that are exclusive to ESO Plus members help alleviate some of these problems?
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Agreed. Queue priority is also an interesting suggestion, but may result in quite a bit of QQ-ing.
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Would adding campaigns that are exclusive to ESO Plus members help alleviate some of these problems?r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »They removed campaigns in the past, so they can add them again if needed.
What I think they might do is close all existing Campaigns on March 16 and start a new round on March 17, redistributing the population into blank Cyrodiils once again. This will kill all existing buff servers, and hopefully spread out the population more evenly. Perhaps they will change the setup as well, and have, say, 3x 30 days, 2x 10 days (averaging the lengths of Haderus and Chillrend, and meaning the score reset is not on the same day of the week) and a couple of 10-day non-Vet Campaigns.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
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Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
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Maidenname✭✭✭Let's hope that new players choose massively DC and AD since EP is already quite full.
Totally agree... Need more for DC and AD!
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Maidenname✭✭✭bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »they'll add some more campains again, prob solved
so u say reducing pop cap has improved the lagg....? I didn't notice any difference except more Q time
And only subbers can enter Cyrodil legitimately ....period .He who knows others is intelligent; he who understands himself is enlightened;
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r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »They removed campaigns in the past, so they can add them again if needed.
Adding campaigns is exactly what I think will happen. Right now with the PVP populations slowly but steadily increasing, every campaign sees at least two factions reach two bars or more during NA prime time. Thornblade might not be the only campaign to see all three populations regularly locked once 1.6 arrives. More campaigns are definitely going to be needed for the XBox One and PS4 players.
Would adding campaigns that are exclusive to ESO Plus members help alleviate some of these problems?
They don't need to add stuff for console players, those will have their very own servers anyway. So it doesn't affect our PC campaigns.Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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One of the best improvement to lag is coming into 1.6 with the partial removal of the aoe target cap.
It has been know for months that this was one of the main cause of server side lag and while it won't fix all the issues, it should be a huge step forward.0 -
My concern comes in regarding recent changes that were made to the population cap and the attempt to stem the lag issues within Cyrodiil. The reduction in the population cap, while it has reduced the lag and made game-play a bit smoother and manageable, has had the unfortunate effect of saddling the player-base with a queue, especially on NA Thornblade during prime-time. At times an inconvenient queue that can last upwards of 2 hours. This darkens the luster of Cyrodiil, especially if you only have a limited time to play and that time is taken up with a queue.
so hopefully, instead of 3/4 of the pvp base all playing thorn, we will start spreading out. if there is actually a 2 hour wait on each faction we could pop-cap another campaign with the que numbers
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