ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

the lfg is not good u can have that going for hours and not find anyone, everyone does it through chat, it seems pointless to me. maybe having a grouping system like ffxiv has would solve the problem the party finder and bonus for helping other players in low level dungeons or bonuses for redoing the dungeon. i do think it the lfg section had bonuses attacked for each doing and decent gear aimed at ur character would help here

Maybe get it working as well as FFXIV's but don't force down everyone's throats. The main reason FFXIV's is successful is because they force it on you like herpes and everything in that game is bloody instanced. No walking up to a door an entering. No you have to use that every single time. Don't get me wrong it works but I don't want to have to use it even when I'm standing right at the F'ing door.

That's always the main difference between the really successful MMORPGs and all the others.

I've always believed that's what skyrocketed World of Warcraft into the kind of success that it had. It was the first MMORPG to incorporate an effective LFG tool that allowed players to nearly instantly queue up with other players to do content. This is what the majority of players want. And this kind of function is pretty much mandatory for any game that wants to compete with the top dogs.

That isn't to say the old-school MMORPG formula doesn't work. It does. But only if it's actually kept old-school. If you speed up the process and decrease the challenge of general character progression to where groups are no longer needed to effectively level up your character: then you kill the incentive for players to take the time/trouble to form groups. So what you end up with is a single-player game most players get bored with and end up going to other games where group-player is more accommodated.

MMORPG developers need to get it through their head that most MMO players are actually interested in multi-play. And if you half-ass the multi-play part of your game you aren't going to be able to sustain a thriving base to support your game long-term.

In other words: group-play needs to be either a necessary and unavoidable part of the game or group-play needs to be instanced and readily accessible for players to access. One or the other.

It has nothing to do with the population. Nothing. I wish people would quit saying this because it's simply not true. There are WAY more people playing right now because of 1.6 and beyond than there were playing 3 months ago. The lower level zones are absolutely packed. Zone chat is flooded with new players asking new player questions, and active guilds are having no problem what so ever keeping their rosters full.

The LFG tool was working just fine a few months ago when the population was at it's lowest since launch before the Champion system was even announced. It stopped working when ZoS attempted to improve it by making key changes to it like requiring a full group to be ready before the group was formed, allowing people to que for every dungeon regardless of level, and the switch to dungeon scaling. It was all the tweaks to the LFG tool that busted it.

Right before the first change to the LFG tool I was able to find a group as a dps within 20 mins. Right after the first change to the LFG tool I was unable to find a group as a tank.

Working before the patch/not working after the patch. <---- this is the issue, not game population. I still manage to find dungeon groups just fine by asking in zone chat. There are PLENTY of people always looking for groups. It's not the population.

Razzak wrote: »

Still no news?

I don't think they actually know how to fix the grouping tool. if they did it would be working by now.
The best thing we can do is give up and go spam zone chat to find a group.

I remember the grouping tool working perfectly during the first few months after release. The only problem I had with it was the fact that it literally locked players out of dungeon groups if they were outside their level range even by a single level.

I actually think that the grouping tool used to work because the population in the game back then was astronomically higher than it is today. Remember how there used to something like 10 full PVP servers to choose from?

Back then everyone was more or less within a few levels of each other so everyone was picking the same dungeon.

Alliel wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

Still no news?

I don't think they actually know how to fix the grouping tool. if they did it would be working by now.
The best thing we can do is give up and go spam zone chat to find a group.

What I think is that nobody's using the LFG tool any more, due to poor experience in the past.

I know *I* haven't bothered with it for months. Need a group for dailies? Go to Wayrest and spam in zone chat. Want to do Vet content or Trials? Do the same in Craglorn (or Wayrest, as it seems to be where everybody in DC flocks to when they're not in Cyrodiil or Craglorn). Kind of makes it hard to tell whether LFG doesn't work because bugs or because nobody uses it.

Would be nice if they fixed the group leader bug while they're fixing the LFG tool. I'm occasionally still forced to disband a group sometimes up to 3x before I actually get the crown and can invite more people.

It would be a nice addition to be able to sign up for a "random dungeon" through the LFG tool and receive an XP reward along with a sack of coins or the like.

This should be able to be repeated. It will promote group play and make it on par with solo grinding experience wise.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, looks like there's something going on here, but we'd like to get some additional information to help nail this down. If you're not able to form any group using the tool, can you provide the following information:

• What role(s) you picked
• What activity you chose, and in which location if applicable
• Your class and level
• Were you queued for PvP at the same time

Even if it isn't broken it's not going to work if nobody is using it, and people are not using it because it's notoriously unreliable. This should have been a priority from day one because it's a lot more difficult to break people of habits once they get used to doing it a certain way.

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

I just finally give up using the LFG tool and just started spamming neutral_face:

Alexium wrote: »

After fixing this tool, they must to add more filters to it: Non-veteran dungeons for veteran players, then specific activities in Craglorn (not only overall zone), and probably specific quest.

Instead of a drop down menu it should have been radio buttons with check marks indicating which dungeons you want and whether you prefer vet or non vet. That way if you want either undaunted zone you can check both, if you already did one you check the one you didn't do only. If you have no preference as to which dungeon then you "check all". Simple.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any news about this issue?

daemonios wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno any news about this issue?

Gina: Guys, any news on the LFG tool fix?
Devs: Yeah, we'll get round to it some time.
Gina: People stopped using it because it didn't work!
Devs: Really? Great, we'll remove it in the next patch. Problem fixed! Now, how do you think we can go about putting Senche mounts in the crown store without pissing off the long-time subscribers?

Sounds about right.

How is this still not being addressed? This alone was enough to make me stop playing before 1.6. I don't want to hit that point again.

Having to spam chat for a group is incompatible with being able to play the game properly.

This pisses me off to no end, I HATE spamming chat for a group "HATE IT" I did that crap 15 years ago when I had no job and life, the good old days of play Everquest 1 for 12 hours a day,I just can't now, I spend over an hour at time not playing the game stuck in Wayrest trying to get a group.

The LFG tool should be "NUMBER ONE" on the to due list because this is game breaking for those with limited time to play and a waste of time when I could be out grinding champ points, but Nooo I have to be stuck in a starter city reading chat and spamming, I have canceled my sub twice over this and just came back to play 1.6 and love the changes but this broken LFG tool keeps me from really enjoying the game to it's fullest.

Kcttocs wrote: »

I haven't used the LFG tool since they implemented the pledges. I've never had very much luck with the LFG tool. Like some have suggested, use the /z chat window, and/or stand outside the dungeon for a bit, if that don't work, keep moving and leveling, you can always do them later. It is frustrating because that's a skill point you are giving up though, but I think most of the population today are all vets. Wait till the console release, and there should be tons of noobs to run them.

That's the problem, I can't spend an hour/hours in chat spamming LFG as my time is limited, when I log in to play I want to quest, PvP, grind champ ect. spending our time doing nothing in front of a dung or starter city is not how many want to spend the little time they have playing a MMO.

Not having a LFG system is what almost killed Swtor when it first came out and this game is no different, I mean fine crap breaks but the moment the LFG system broke Zenimax should fixed it right away, because it's a core feature, even shut down the server for a hot fix if need be, I mean that's what Blizzard's WoW would of done and now you see why it's the MMO king and has been going on 11 years, that is because they don't let game breaking bugs like that go unfixed for long.

I know I am not the only one who has stopped playing in the past over this, and as much as I love the 1.6 changes I fear I will not be playing if this is not fixed soon.