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Paid Beta is over now....can we please have a refund?
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Nocturnalis✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »
Some $15 a month barrier to keep out riffraff? Newsflash... Paid sub games still have plenty of trolls, jerks, 12 year olds, and ne'er-do-wells.Scarletblaze wrote: »Many of us believed they were improving the game and adding content to justify paying a monthly sub. Instead, we WASTED money on a sub.
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REFUND OUR MONTHLY SUBS FOR THIS GAME, AND WE CAN MOVE ON!
Yes, they do, but not nearly as bad. The "free plus microtransactions" formula attracts stupid people like nothing else. Do you really want to argue that people playing Candy Crush are no worse than people playing EVE or pre-F2P ESO?
I think this is where b2p helps over a totally f2p model, it keeps out gold sellers and the absolute low of the low to a degree. I experienced f2p with another recent MMO launch and the amount of spam characters, gold sellers, chat, griefing was horrible... I agree with you there. I think claiming sub based games are some sort of safe bastion against toxic gamers is at the least misleading. And no, sub fees have not necessarily meant more frequent or better content... Once again pointing to the biggest game in the MMO market which has been known to have 13 month stretches of no new content.
Dude, Candy Crush players are hardcore, not sure EVE player would handle them.
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
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✭✭✭Scarletblaze wrote: »Does anyone else not see the issue with charging for aYou say the game was "beta quality" as though somehow things are suddenly going to be dynamically different and better after the swap.
If you are calling it "beta quality" now, console users will still be calling it a "beta quality" game in the summer.
I would prefer to play a 'Beta quality' game for free.......which is what ZoS is NOW doing. There was no need to pay a sub if this was their plan from the start.
Then bask in the glory that you paid2win yourself an endgame character before any of the new f2p players get here."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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syxx210✭✭Scarletblaze wrote: »Without our consent, we all paid a subscription for a Beta quality game. Please refund our money for the past year. You failed to fully inform the public of your intentions and you failed to deliver on your promises.
I expect good things out of update 6, and you should too. I would understand this if after update 6, they continued with their same exact way of doing things; not to say they are doing things bad. We just don't hear about all of the things that game companies do.
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✭Simply pathetic to think anyone is entitled to anything other than what they knew they were buying. You bought the game. You played the game. Things change, so move on with your life. If you are still here, then you got what you paid for. You are entitled to nothing.5 -
Nocturnalis✭✭✭Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.Edited by Nocturnalis on January 21, 2015 9:37PM1 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Im really hoping the people crying about paying for access to the servers unsub and are never heard from again.
So many people whine about F2Pers. But youre the biggest entitled brats of them all.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
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✭Scarletblaze wrote: »Without our consent, we all paid a subscription for a Beta quality game. Please refund our money for the past year. You failed to fully inform the public of your intentions and you failed to deliver on your promises.
Full refund is the very least you guys could do.
No refund.
But I'm sure they'll offer you 500 free crowns in the new cash shop as a loyalty reward.
Just enough to buy something totally useless like a new hat.1 -
AlayneStone✭✭✭I agree with this as well, I'll still play and see if I like it but they should have been honest, they had to have known this was coming for awhile and should have announced it, I feel cheated.Edited by AlayneStone on January 21, 2015 10:26PM3 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If its your opinion the game is in beta state and you continued to pay into it. Thats your loss.
HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
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Nocturnalis✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.0 -
EinionYrth✭✭✭✭I've enjoyed my time and I'm not about to flounce out at this decision, although I am disappointed. If it goes the way of LotRO though, a game I loved for some years, then they can go bugger themselves with a rusty fencepost.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it) Edited by DDuke on January 21, 2015 9:59PM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax3 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
Except time (which I value highly, don't know about you)
That, and atleast I was fully expecting my money to make this a better game, not a worse one.
Bad answers are bad.
For extra education, take a look at the definition of investment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InvestmentEdited by DDuke on January 21, 2015 10:07PM2 -
Buck✭✭✭I don't want a refund but I also don't want to P2W either.
I do know ZOS lied to us and that for the last few months my sub fees have been paying for this model to be introduced in March and I was not made aware of it until now.
I haven't been even playing much lately because I was so excited to see what 1.6 would bring us, but now I have 23days left on my sub and not sure if I will ever log in again. I don't care what fluff they want to throw at the subscriber this P2W crap ruins the MMO genre and I'm sick of these greedy companies ripping me off. Justify the model how-ever you need too but this is the way I see it and it's pathetic for any real gamer.
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murphy.guyb16_ESOSoul ShrivenI was interested in ESO as a subscription based game, so that I could avoid a game that was wrapped around a cash-shop. So, it's kind of game-over for me. I've enjoyed the year, played through each of the factions content, so I don't mind over much... It is time for me however to find the next thing.2
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
Except time (which I value highly, don't know about you)
That, and atleast I was fully expecting my money to make this a better game, not a worse one.
Bad answers are bad.
For extra education, take a look at the definition of investment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Name one brokerage that returns your money in the form of 'time'.
Ill wait.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
Except time (which I value highly, don't know about you)
That, and atleast I was fully expecting my money to make this a better game, not a worse one.
Bad answers are bad.
For extra education, take a look at the definition of investment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Name one brokerage that returns your money in the form of 'time'.
Ill wait.
Let's take a look at what I said in my first post:Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
You cannot return time lost, but you can still return the money wasted, which is the exact reason why refund is not something out of the ordinary.Edited by DDuke on January 21, 2015 10:21PM0 -
Nocturnalis✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
Except time (which I value highly, don't know about you)
That, and atleast I was fully expecting my money to make this a better game, not a worse one.
Bad answers are bad.
For extra education, take a look at the definition of investment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Are they deleting any of our characters that we invested our time into?
No.
We don't know ultimately what the game will turn into by going b2p. I will reserve judgement until a few months into that change.
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✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »Analogy time:
An fund promises you a safe, long term investment. You take the offer and keep steadily depositing money in it.
Suddenly, the fund goes back on its promise & makes some high risk trades aiming for some quick money. You lose your money.
Some people would call this a scam.
Now replace the word "fund" with MMO and the word "money" with time.
Or the fund found out they couldn't continue investing in the sub fee market and stay afloat. So then the fund changed its investment tactics in order for them to remain profitable and still provide a return to their customers.
Rather than the fund continuing in something that is losing them money and in turn going under and unable to provide anything for their customers.
Sounds like a good business decision to me.
Except that's not how investment funds work (thus the analogy), and lawsuits would follow.
Source: what I do for a living
Yes, but a game company doesn't have the same tight restrictions as an investment fund. So that part of the analogy fails.
Maybe an individual broker would be more comparable.
I have plenty of experience with untrustworthy brokers, in fact I was part of a lawsuit against one & got my money back (well, most of it)
Why are we comparing an MMO sub to a brokerage and investments?
You werent investing anything in this MMO. You were purchasing monthly access to the game and any updates/new content that was added as time passed.
An investment would indicate you expected some form of financial return once you stepped away from ESO.
Bad analogies are bad.
Except time (which I value highly, don't know about you)
That, and atleast I was fully expecting my money to make this a better game, not a worse one.
Bad answers are bad.
For extra education, take a look at the definition of investment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Are they deleting any of our characters that we invested our time into?
No.
We don't know ultimately what the game will turn into by going b2p. I will reserve judgement until a few months into that change.
Sub fees do not necessarily make for a better game.
It will turn into utter crap, like every other B2P game out there.
Seen it on its worst, seen it on its best. Still sucks.
There is nothing to be optimistic on, as pretty much every aspect of the game will have lower quality in the future.
I have been right about things so far, and have no intent of stopping.
6 month subscriptions get pulled out, people say it's to "save money" and other bs reasons, I tell them it's not and something is up (F2P or B2P). This was the reaction:
Déjà vu... funny.Edited by DDuke on January 21, 2015 10:27PM0 -
marcmyb14_ESO✭✭✭They are retroactively rewarding subs with crowns, you'll use those to pay for upcoming DLC. I don't see what the issue is. Nothing has to change if you don't want it to. Just don't be a baby about it.GM Oghma Infinium - Ebonheart Pact
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corpse_run✭✭✭The amount of entitlement in today's society amazes me. They made a business decision to change payment model. That is their right and it entitles you to nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
The original 'contract' (it is not really a contract but that is a good word for it) between you (the player) and Zenimax was that they would provide the game, occasional updates and access to the servers for the price of the initial game purchase and $15 a month. They did exactly that. That is all they need to do.
They are now changing the business model for the future. That has no effect at all on prior subscriptions. Those have all been fulfilled and they provided exactly what they said they were going to provide.
Your choice is now whether to continue playing or not. They have no further commitment to you unless you do. Quit being entitled pricks.5 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭corpse_run wrote: »The amount of entitlement in today's society amazes me. They made a business decision to change payment model. That is their right and it entitles you to nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
The original 'contract' (it is not really a contract but that is a good word for it) between you (the player) and Zenimax was that they would provide the game, occasional updates and access to the servers for the price of the initial game purchase and $15 a month. They did exactly that. That is all they need to do.
They are now changing the business model for the future. That has no effect at all on prior subscriptions. Those have all been fulfilled and they provided exactly what they said they were going to provide.
Your choice is now whether to continue playing or not. They have no further commitment to you unless you do. Quit being entitled pricks.
Are you really calling people "entitled pricks", while defending B2P model & cash shop?
What would you call those people who want to play a game, but not pay a dime for future updates (other people will have to do that for them)? Or the credit card warriors that think they deserve extra stuff because they can come up with $$$?
Hypocrisy is strong in this thread
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Buck✭✭✭marcmyb14_ESO wrote: »They are retroactively rewarding subs with crowns, you'll use those to pay for upcoming DLC. I don't see what the issue is. Nothing has to change if you don't want it to. Just don't be a baby about it.
It's so called "gamers" like you that these scams I mean systems are designed for. P2W means nothing to some of you because you need it to compete, I think it's a pathetic way to play a GAME. And I have no interest in fluff. If they got you to fall for this, as it's no big deal, then they already have cash shop items ready for you.
Maybe when you get that PIG pet, with you fluff money, they'll already be selling you lip stick from the cash shop.Edited by Buck on January 21, 2015 10:42PM2 -
corpse_run✭✭✭corpse_run wrote: »The amount of entitlement in today's society amazes me. They made a business decision to change payment model. That is their right and it entitles you to nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
The original 'contract' (it is not really a contract but that is a good word for it) between you (the player) and Zenimax was that they would provide the game, occasional updates and access to the servers for the price of the initial game purchase and $15 a month. They did exactly that. That is all they need to do.
They are now changing the business model for the future. That has no effect at all on prior subscriptions. Those have all been fulfilled and they provided exactly what they said they were going to provide.
Your choice is now whether to continue playing or not. They have no further commitment to you unless you do. Quit being entitled pricks.
Are you really calling people "entitled pricks", while defending B2P model & cash shop?
What would you call those people who want to play a game, but not pay a dime for future updates (other people will have to do that for them)? Or the credit card warriors that think they deserve extra stuff because they can come up with $$$?
Hypocrisy is strong in this thread
I would call the people who want to play the game but don't want to pay a dime for future updates s@#t out of luck. Not going to happen, whether it is B2P or sub, you have to pay.
The so-called 'credit card warriors' are also entitled pricks but it also looks like they are s@#t out of luck because, at the moment, it doesn't look like its going to be P2W. I am fine with fluff items in the cash shop, potions that are not as good as the ones crafters make in the cash shop and similar items.
If they decide to go P2W, I am out but that is my decision and does not entitle me to anything. I am not an entitled prick that way.
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