ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning

Mettaricana · January 2015

not gonna lie i absolutely hate daedric summoning there is nothing i wanna use on the skill bar... my sorc as pretty much become a fun to look at not to play character as she fades into uselessness with every patch. seriously just yank the summoning give us a Frost or Fire skill line that can synergy with melee and ranged combats. i wanna player my sorc i really really do but class skill wise she sucks at everything.

honestly i'd be okay if you took out dark magic and gave us another elemental skill line with more offensive options rather than just dark crystal(woopdeedoo...)

also improve the Overload skill its useless in vr level enemies they just have too much health for a skill that doesn't scale. after about 45-vr1 overload is pointless and slow

timidobserver · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Another poster trying to use "we" in place of "I" in order to add more credibility to their opinion.

So are you saying that you use Pets in virtually all of your builds, including competitive end-game group content? Please confirm.

Why ask me what I am saying when you can scroll up and read it? Hint, it was all about presenting your personal opinion as more than a personal opinion.

Dedhed · January 2015

I like sorc pets. Also wish they were more effective. Sounds like this is coming, so that's cool.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

I think some people here are confused. Not everyone is into the competitive trial stuff. Some of us actually play the game to have fun believe it or not.

Maotti · January 2015

I love my pets!

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because any sorc build plows through all the content like its nothing, somehow super casuals managed to get vr content nerfed when the opposite needed to happen, sub vr content needed to be made harder.

As it is leveling is such an insignificant part of the game that you can do it with any old build. Mainly what we are talking about it end game content and pvp which are the only semblance of a challenge in this game.

Please give us a frost class at the very least.

Kilandros · January 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

I obviously wasn't speaking for people who, like you, main other classes.

Yes, because obviously everyone in the world who plays a sorcerer as their main must agree with you. Obviously there is not a single sorc player who actually likes the idea of being a summoner. Obviously you can read the mind of every single person who plays ESO.

You seem to have a problem with not understanding the difference between your opinion and facts. The fact is that some sorcerer players want summoning and some don't. Your opinion is that you don't want it. Understand the difference now? You don't speak for everyone.

Congratulations on fretting over semantics. Fact vs. Opinion, oh noes!

My OP is clearly targeting the problem of Pets in end-game group content (trials, PvP, etc.) where most (is that an acceptable pronoun?) players tend to agree that Pets are woefully underpowered. Furthermore, I clearly state in my OP that summons could be made a world line for people who want to use them.

But please keep nitpicking a thread title and exclaiming that I cannot speak for everybody (duh). That's super persuasive, and really goes to the core of the discussion.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Kilandros · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think some people here are confused. Not everyone is into the competitive trial stuff. Some of us actually play the game to have fun believe it or not.

Thus why I recommend keeping it as a skill tree available to all players. This was in my OP. It's literally at the top of the page.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because any sorc build plows through all the content like its nothing, somehow super casuals managed to get vr content nerfed when the opposite needed to happen, sub vr content needed to be made harder.

As it is leveling is such an insignificant part of the game that you can do it with any old build. Mainly what we are talking about it end game content and pvp which are the only semblance of a challenge in this game.

Please give us a frost class at the very least.

So you want a bunch of people's playstyles destroyed so you can min max better at PVP? Really?

newtinmpls · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Another poster trying to use "we" in place of "I" in order to add more credibility to their opinion.

So are you saying that you use Pets in virtually all of your builds, including competitive end-game group content? Please confirm.

Yes. I only play socerers as I insist on a familar/summoned ally and that was the only class that had one. I play hardcore tanks, mega-damage mages and occasional healer types.

After all it's only 3 skill lines that your class determines; the rest are either available to anyone or divided by race. So any "class" is pretty mutable. To a creative person, anyway.

As for bound armor; I wasn't too crazy about it in Morrowind (my preferred ES game), but it's pretty useful here. Combine with that storm turn-to-lightining ability (I can't recall the name of it) and my tank charges in with her maul and has fun.

NotSo · January 2015

Making daedric summoning a world skill line, I support completely.

Ouranos · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

I obviously wasn't speaking for people who, like you, main other classes.

Yes, because obviously everyone in the world who plays a sorcerer as their main must agree with you. Obviously there is not a single sorc player who actually likes the idea of being a summoner. Obviously you can read the mind of every single person who plays ESO.

You seem to have a problem with not understanding the difference between your opinion and facts. The fact is that some sorcerer players want summoning and some don't. Your opinion is that you don't want it. Understand the difference now? You don't speak for everyone, and you only make yourself look like an ass when you pretend that you do.

Congratulations on fretting over semantics. Fact vs. Opinion, oh noes!

My OP is clearly targeting the problem of Pets in end-game group content (trials, PvP, etc.) where most (is that an acceptable pronoun?) players tend to agree that Pets are woefully underpowered.

Actually, it isn't clear if, by your own admission, your rhetoric is clearly unclear. You should probably edit it with this new statement to keep more posters from replying with the same.

Kilandros · January 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Another poster trying to use "we" in place of "I" in order to add more credibility to their opinion.

So are you saying that you use Pets in virtually all of your builds, including competitive end-game group content? Please confirm.

Why ask me what I am saying when you can scroll up and read it? Hint, it was all about presenting your personal opinion as more than a personal opinion.

I think you get the award for today's most intentionally obtuse poster. Let me guess, you also become incensed with rage when you turn on the T.V. and hear a commercial like "Gillette, the best a man can get!"

"That's not fact!! That's opinion!! Rabble rabble rabble."

We get it. Now relax. Want to discuss Pets now?

RDMyers65b14_ESO · January 2015

I broke my clanfear yesterday. I summon him and he just stands there doing nothing. I like my pets when they work.

The key is if you don't want pets don't put points into the skill line. There is nothing anywhere saying that you have to use the skill line. It is ALL optional.

Kilandros · January 2015

Ouranos wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

I obviously wasn't speaking for people who, like you, main other classes.

Yes, because obviously everyone in the world who plays a sorcerer as their main must agree with you. Obviously there is not a single sorc player who actually likes the idea of being a summoner. Obviously you can read the mind of every single person who plays ESO.

You seem to have a problem with not understanding the difference between your opinion and facts. The fact is that some sorcerer players want summoning and some don't. Your opinion is that you don't want it. Understand the difference now? You don't speak for everyone, and you only make yourself look like an ass when you pretend that you do.

Congratulations on fretting over semantics. Fact vs. Opinion, oh noes!

My OP is clearly targeting the problem of Pets in end-game group content (trials, PvP, etc.) where most (is that an acceptable pronoun?) players tend to agree that Pets are woefully underpowered.

Actually, it isn't clear if, by your own admission, your rhetoric is clearly unclear. You should probably edit it with this new statement to keep more posters from replying with the same.

My rhetoric is quite clear and no edit is necessary. Indeed, everything I've written is quite clear to those who bothered to read it. Intentionally obtuse readers like you and the other guy tend to exist all over the internet--you were going to come in here and pick a fight regardless.

thelordoffelines · January 2015

Wow, people are seriously arguing FOR daedric summoning?

Garion · January 2015

Whatever you do with that skill line, don't get rid of my hardened ward. ty.

Cuyler · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

So you want a bunch of people's playstyles destroyed so you can min max better at PVP? Really?

Please explain how creating a new world skill line for necromancy destroys your build? If it happened, you'd more than likely be refunded your skill points in daedric summoning and given a 1:1 xp transition to the new related skill in that skill line.

The players saying no to this want to effectively restrict 90% of sorcs to using only 2/3 of their class skills. That is the injustice here. Not your misplaced fear that your build would be destroyed, which it wouldn't.

OP, you should of known there are relatively few people actively competing in the trials and PvP on the general discussion forums. Unfortunately ZOS wants to cuddle with the "I

cats" crowd and feels 100% of sorcs want to as well. IMO it's one of the worst design decisions of the game and certainly doesn't fall into the games cliché "play as you want".

By moving the skill line out of the sorc class, it would significantly improve build diversity. It's a win-win, but obviously players want to look past that. Can anyone even come up with a valid reason why it needs to be in the sorc skills? We want to make it available to everyone for @#$% sake.

Shunravi · January 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

So you want a bunch of people's playstyles destroyed so you can min max better at PVP? Really?

Please explain how creating a new world skill line for necromancy destroys your build? If it happened, you'd more than likely be refunded your skill points in daedric summoning and given a 1:1 xp transition to the new related skill in that skill line.

The players saying no to this want to effectively restrict 90% of sorcs to using only 2/3 of their class skills. That is the injustice here. Not your misplaced fear that your build would be destroyed, which it wouldn't.

OP, you should of known there are relatively few people actively competing in the trials and PvP on the general discussion forums. Unfortunately ZOS wants to cuddle with the "I cats" crowd and feels 100% of sorcs want to as well. IMO it's one of the worst design decisions of the game and certainly doesn't fall into the games cliché "play as you want".

By moving the skill line out of the sorc class, it would significantly improve build diversity. It's a win-win, but obviously players want to look past that. Can anyone even come up with a valid reason why it needs to be in the sorc skills? We want to make it available to everyone for @#$% sake.

Let's remove classes and skill lines in their current iterations all together.

But untill then, summoning is as part of the sorc class as dark magic and stormcalling.

Spellcrafting will also be coming along sometime in the future. That will probably change up a lot of things, and sorcs will have an advantage because of their reduction and regen pasives.

Xjcon · January 2015

Do you have a frog in your pocket? This is something others seem to want.

MornaBaine · January 2015

If the Pets were more interesting, varied and useful I could get behind it. But I agree with those who think it should be a World Skill Line. My HOPE is that Spellcrafting, whenever they get around to it, is going to open up more interesting Pet specs...including the ability to summon various undead.

Psychobunni · January 2015

+1 For giving sorc something more useful than pets.

Or change the class name to "Summoner", at the very least change the description to something like "Sorcerers depend on pets to for viability, blah, blah, blah"
Because choosing Sorcerer you assume reading the description that your strength will be spells and magic use

MasterSpatula · January 2015

What's this "we" ***, Kemosabe?

Shunravi · January 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

+1 For giving sorc something more useful than pets.

Or change the class name to "Summoner", at the very least change the description to something like "Sorcerers depend on pets to for viability, blah, blah, blah"
Because choosing Sorcerer you assume reading the description that your strength will be spells and magic use

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Comment. About. Names. And. Descriptions.

Feidam · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

People do not use pets now in end game content, however with the right amount of love from ZOS they could very well become viable.

While I personally do not like pets that doesn't mean there are not those that do enjoy that play style. Asking for part of a class to taken away because you do not like it isn't fair to those that do enjoy the pets. Sorc is the only class available for those that want pets. The love ZOS is giving to that aspect of the class will hopefully help those that enjoy pets.

Cuyler · January 2015

Feidam wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

People do not use pets now in end game content, however with the right amount of love from ZOS they could very well become viable.

While I personally do not like pets that doesn't mean there are not those that do enjoy that play style. Asking for part of a class to taken away because you do not like it isn't fair to those that do enjoy the pets. Sorc is the only class available for those that want pets. The love ZOS is giving to that aspect of the class will hopefully help those that enjoy pets.

We are not asking for this^. We do not want to take away your pets....we want to give pets to everybody. And get something useful for a sorc in return.

In regards to your comment about endgame pets. Could you imagine a twelve (12) man dungeon done by all sorcs with 3 pets each? That's 36 pets and 12 players for a total of 48 bodies on your screen in a dungeon with often confined spaces.

It would be a cluster!@#$, and that's an extreme example but that is why wholesale pet builds will never be viable for trials. PvP maybe.

Sallington · January 2015

/signed for a CC/Group Buff tree.

ForsakeMe · January 2015

I want Daedric Summoning to stay. I don't care which skill tree it's in. But the summons do need improvement so I'm looking forward to Update 1.6

WhiskyBob · January 2015

I just want to know: will pets take heals from raid healers? what will be their priority. IF there is any chance SMALLEST CHANCE pet will receive healing before player in need - dump the whole tree please.

EinionYrth · January 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

We are not asking for this^. We do not want to take away your pets....we want to give pets to everybody. And get something useful for a sorc in return.

As a melee sorc who uses the clannfear as an off tank may I just say; this would be fine but I also play a NB and some of the shadow line is appealing, so can everyone have that too, please?

In brief, lose classes altogether and choose from all the skill lines, or shut up, stop whinging, and soldier.