Meteor Changes Needed

Verdwhisper · January 2015

I dont know wht zos gonna do with the meteor but i know ppl will sneak in zergballs and purge.

Asgari · January 2015

Verdwhisper wrote: »

I dont know wht zos gonna do with the meteor but i know ppl will sneak in zergballs and purge.

The Zerg ball mentality will end fairly quickly come 1.6 if the changes intended work out. Although some of the current Zerg busting skills won't work in 1.6 which stinks.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

In all of your responses you have given zero positive feedback, just QQ. Meteor ulti hits just like the undaunted set. Of course it should be reflected, it's a spell projectile. You have 2 ulti for a reason. This just sounds like another nerf DK thread or buff this because the big bad DK makes it not as good!

It's not easy giving positive feedback when you open with a response like your first one. Let me remind you:

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

because fantasy and lore outweigh all that blabber you spewed onto my screen. Also thanks for opening admitting you will use alts to cheat.

Which clearly didn't even address the content of the original post.

That being said, it's not an attack specifically at nerfing DK's per se, but you would be hard pressed to formulate a justifiable reason that such a minor and spammable ability such as flappy wing negates an ultimate ability, especially one as costly as Meteor currently is.

But let me tell you something, IT IS OK to disagree with someone's opinion. This may come as a surprise to you, so sit down, take a deep breath, and go to your happy place. Once you're there, try to formulate a response based on facts and reasons why you disagree rather than your previous approach. This would be helpful and likely foster that positive feedback you desire.

Btw, unless I'm confusing you with someone by a similar name, you were in Distortion right? That's where I believe I know you from if you were curious.

Bouvin · January 2015

It's definitely underpowered for its Ult cost compared to Bat Swarm, DK Banner, Veil of Blades, and Negate. Not to mention how much better Flawless Dawnbreaker is in comparison.

Tankqull · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

In all of your responses you have given zero positive feedback, just QQ. Meteor ulti hits just like the undaunted set. Of course it should be reflected, it's a spell projectile. You have 2 ulti for a reason. This just sounds like another nerf DK thread or buff this because the big bad DK makes it not as good!

would actually love to see the sea of tears if standart could be dispelled by clensing ritual and purge ^^
and your argumentation would actually support this as soul strike actually is, and it is nothing else then an overtime effect like the standart.

i hope you get how stupid the dk argumentation is...
beside the self defending part don´t touch my precious....

Asgari · January 2015

DK reflect is being nerfed to 4 projectiles in 1.6 .. How about we wait and see ALL of the changes before making threads like this to stir a pot of nonsense again. Are people still not aware that a majority of the 1.6 changes affect DKs? The devs have listened and multiple changes are coming to them, along with other classes obviously.

Wait and see what's in store for you with 1.6 patch notes before complaining to the nerf gods about how this and that isn't fair. Welcome to pvp where one class has an ability other classes don't and that isn't fair right...

Lord_Bidr · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

It's definitely underpowered for its Ult cost compared to Bat Swarm, DK Banner, Veil of Blades, and Negate. Not to mention how much better Flawless Dawnbreaker is in comparison.

Texts do not convey sarcasm properly...not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or genuine.

Asgari · January 2015

sc_prabhu1986rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

It's definitely underpowered for its Ult cost compared to Bat Swarm, DK Banner, Veil of Blades, and Negate. Not to mention how much better Flawless Dawnbreaker is in comparison.

Texts do not convey sarcasm properly...not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or genuine.

Flawless dawnbreaker is only good because of the passive. So essentially you are getting no dps out of that ulti spot. I think once in the last 2 months I've been hit for a decent dawnbreaker and that was with multiple players and guards hitting me all at once. The passive it gives is great though.

Huntler · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

It's definitely underpowered for its Ult cost compared to Bat Swarm, DK Banner, Veil of Blades, and Negate. Not to mention how much better Flawless Dawnbreaker is in comparison.

Oh look at that... no templar ultimates in your list.... Its sad because its true

but seriously meteor is pretty good for ganking, not as good as other ultimates for group fights but nothing wrong with that. Making meteor unreflectable and be done with it, its then an insta 1K~ish damage or a 1 shot to vamps... pretty good.

booksmcread · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Oh look at that... no templar ultimates in your list.... Its sad because its true

It's ok, it's ok. One day, one day...nova will eminate a shockwave that will decimate all non-templars of all factions, killing them instantly, sending them to their gate and transporting the templars to the nearest inn where we will raise toasts to one another while we advance our plans for a new faction, a master faction, a templar faction.

Huntler · January 2015

booksmcread wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Oh look at that... no templar ultimates in your list.... Its sad because its true

It's ok, it's ok. One day, one day...nova will eminate a shockwave that will decimate all non-templars of all factions, killing them instantly, sending them to their gate and transporting the templars to the nearest inn where we will raise toasts to one another while we advance our plans for a new faction, a master faction, a templar faction.

Something I can believe in.

Soulac · January 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

2. Due to its supposed velocity, targets should not be able to reduce damage of meteor by blocking.

I need you to be louder, with your mouth way way way more open.

Gorthax · January 2015

Nijjion wrote: »

First off #2 is laughable no one is going to do that. Yeah some people might 'try' but I very much doubt it will be effective.

So many threads are such a waste of everyones time at the moment as with the changes to 1.6.

Even if you make it an AoE ability and not targetable... 1.6 all aoes will be blockable, why should meteor be special and go through block when everything next patch will be blockable?

You might have a point with maybe reflecting it, though reflective scale is getting nerfed so less chance of that happening.

so wrong.....it will still happen. 4 projectiles reflected per cast, PER CAST! Now, take into account how majority of DKs currently Flappy flap constantly. Your chances of getting it to NOT be reflected are slim. It is one of the many ultimates that, well, are just not feeling to ultimate.

Make meteors be able to bypass Reflective Scales and the S&B reflect and we are good. Though many people cry "thats not fair it is a magic projectile" even though it is a ultimate....

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Gorthax wrote: »

Make meteors be able to bypass Reflective Scales and the S&B reflect and we are good. Though many people cry "thats not fair it is a magic projectile" even though it is a ultimate....

I think that's the key point as to why I can't get on board with the opposing position. If meteor was another 1-5 slotted ability, then I would get the argument, but it is not. It is (supposed) to be an Ultimate.

To put it in perspective, what if a Sorc's simple Velocious Curse could invert a DK's standard? Meaning DK drops his standard, and when a sorc cast Velocious Curse on the DK, the DK's standard now does damage to the DK instead of enemies around him.

How ridiculous would that be?

Having a 1-5 slotted spammable ability making an entire ult useless is nonsensical.

That's also a great point you make as well with S&B reflect. Also, doesn't Temps Eclipse reflect as well? The issue isn't just with DK's, as some people want to twist this thread into, it's the fact that it's reflectable to begin with.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

but seriously meteor is pretty good for ganking, not as good as other ultimates for group fights but nothing wrong with that. Making meteor unreflectable and be done with it, its then an insta 1K~ish damage or a 1 shot to vamps... pretty good.

Except with the spell's inherent delay you can hear the Meteor incoming. Even if you don't got a reflect ready to go, you can simply block.

If someone gets one shot by Meteor in its current form, or regularly takes full dmg from Meteor from not blocking for that matter, they just simply aren't the most skilled player around.

Ifthir_ESO · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Entire post fails simply because PvP is irrelevant to ZoS

ftfy

Asgari · January 2015

Why are we complaining about it being reflected? I you can block to mitigate the damage or simply roll dodge it

Roechacca · January 2015

I'd like to see Meteor a little buffed up, maybe not as much as the OP is asking but some . Just because collecting all this old dusty books is such a pain in the keaster....

JaJaLuka · January 2015

themizario wrote: »

I like seeing the meteor incoming then use wings and watch the OP die.

Even funnier is when you see the confused DK after you reflect it a second time

SurprisedFour91 · January 2015

The one prob i have with meteor is it always lags for me and hits after the enemy is dead, so its a waste of an ult for me.

FluffiestOne · January 2015

It'd be awesome to have a whole group of people drop AoE meteors at once, on one group of people. Imagine it...

Rylana · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

because fantasy and lore outweigh all that blabber you spewed onto my screen. Also thanks for opening admitting you will use alts to cheat.

Didn't we use to be in the same guild you and I? Kinda harsh response don't you think?

As it stands I don't have any alts that aren't DC. It was an allegory to prove a point. That point being that this is an issue that will be rampant and somewhat undetectable as the perpetrator will just play the "I didn't see it one me!" card.

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

The word you're looking for is drivel, dribble is what you do when you bounce a basketball or release small drops of liquid slowly. Please don't try to debate with "big smart sounding things" like ad hominem and then proceed to immediately misuse the next word you type.

Xsorus · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

sc_prabhu1986rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

It's definitely underpowered for its Ult cost compared to Bat Swarm, DK Banner, Veil of Blades, and Negate. Not to mention how much better Flawless Dawnbreaker is in comparison.

Texts do not convey sarcasm properly...not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or genuine.

Flawless dawnbreaker is only good because of the passive. So essentially you are getting no dps out of that ulti spot. I think once in the last 2 months I've been hit for a decent dawnbreaker and that was with multiple players and guards hitting me all at once. The passive it gives is great though.

This is true, the cast time for fd makes it awful most of the time cause of crushing shock, bash and venom arrow... It's only used for the passive.

Mauz · January 2015

If you look for serios arguments post that into the skill line forum. In the pvp forum its wasted time. I wouldn't say here are only idiots but if there's one he's definitely lurking around here.

On topic...I wouldn't debate about skill changes right now. Noone has an idea what influence the new pvp abilities and the champions system will have. There nothing but an interview available which only shows spotlights but not the complete picture. When they publish the patch notes or better after they published the patch we can start to argue.

But I fear 1.6 will go live in the legendary ZOS quality so that we discuss at least one or two month about bugs and expoits before we can really start with balance of skills

Tankqull · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DK reflect is being nerfed to 4 projectiles in 1.6 .. How about we wait and see ALL of the changes before making threads like this to stir a pot of nonsense again. Are people still not aware that a majority of the 1.6 changes affect DKs? The devs have listened and multiple changes are coming to them, along with other classes obviously.

Wait and see what's in store for you with 1.6 patch notes before complaining to the nerf gods about how this and that isn't fair. Welcome to pvp where one class has an ability other classes don't and that isn't fair right...

FFS skip your DK whining, it doesent matter if RS is norfed or not. an ULTIMATE should not be affected by class and weapon non ultimate skills.
it should be either all or none - if you make the soul strike dmg purge able as it is a dot so should standard to.
if meteor can be reflected by RS and defensive stance so should standard be dispelled by cleansing ritual e.g. too.
this good damn favoring of some abilities needs to go (that that would hit Dks the most is nothing but a coincidence... prolly because of their preferenc by the devs{?})

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This is true, the cast time for fd makes it awful most of the time cause of crushing shock, bash and venom arrow... It's only used for the passive.

thats a joke right? why do people even bother using soul strike then? its aswell affected by CS, VA, bash and on top purge, cleansing ritual and negate...
the pathetic dmg of dawnbreaker vs non deadrics, vamps and WWs. i would have accepted but the CT?

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Rylana wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

because fantasy and lore outweigh all that blabber you spewed onto my screen. Also thanks for opening admitting you will use alts to cheat.

Didn't we use to be in the same guild you and I? Kinda harsh response don't you think

The word you're looking for is drivel, dribble is what you do when you bounce a basketball or release small drops of liquid slowly. Please don't try to debate with "big smart sounding things" like ad hominem and then proceed to immediately misuse the next word you type.

You may want to educate yourself on all the definitions of a word before trying to call someone out. Dribble also means drool that is slowly falling out of one's mouth. It was meant to be humorous in reference to the "spewed on my screen" comment I was responding to, which seemed an appropriate replacement for the cliche term you were expecting. Hence the joke and intentional use of the word "dribble" instead of "drivel".

Next time make sure YOU know what you're talking about before trying to insult someone else's intelligence.

Thank you.

olsborg · January 2015

Meteor from magesguild is getting changed in 1.6

Roechacca · January 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Meteor from magesguild is getting changed in 1.6

Source link please

Kas · January 2015

I agree that Meteor is crap right now and looks like it needs fixing.
However, imagine it was actually useful: It would be purely furstrating to play against. Especially when a bunch of trolls decides to drop 5+ from stealth. Sure, it's fun for them a few times, but at the end of the day, such an ability makes the game worse.

Imho right now having a useless ultimate is better than having a broken one. Maybe they can change it completely. But the current way (instant range AoE cast) just means it's either bad and useless or useful and annoying as hell

Xsorus · January 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DK reflect is being nerfed to 4 projectiles in 1.6 .. How about we wait and see ALL of the changes before making threads like this to stir a pot of nonsense again. Are people still not aware that a majority of the 1.6 changes affect DKs? The devs have listened and multiple changes are coming to them, along with other classes obviously.

Wait and see what's in store for you with 1.6 patch notes before complaining to the nerf gods about how this and that isn't fair. Welcome to pvp where one class has an ability other classes don't and that isn't fair right...

FFS skip your DK whining, it doesent matter if RS is norfed or not. an ULTIMATE should not be affected by class and weapon non ultimate skills.
it should be either all or none - if you make the soul strike dmg purge able as it is a dot so should standard to.
if meteor can be reflected by RS and defensive stance so should standard be dispelled by cleansing ritual e.g. too.
this good damn favoring of some abilities needs to go (that that would hit Dks the most is nothing but a coincidence... prolly because of their preferenc by the devs{?})

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This is true, the cast time for fd makes it awful most of the time cause of crushing shock, bash and venom arrow... It's only used for the passive.

thats a joke right? why do people even bother using soul strike then? its aswell affected by CS, VA, bash and on top purge, cleansing ritual and negate...
the pathetic dmg of dawnbreaker vs non deadrics, vamps and WWs. i would have accepted but the CT?

Soul strike isn't exactly amazing in a 1v1 now is it? And why is that? Because it's cast time. Soul strike primary use is screwing over someone who's occupied and can't counter it. Fd damage isn't a problem.. It's cast time is

You can't purge standard by the way because it's a gtae... Cinderstorm and veil work the same way