Meteor Changes Needed

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

For the most allegedly powerful Mages Guild ability, this spell has been quite lackluster since launch. Sure it has its applications in certain burst builds, but overall the ability is pretty lame. So I wanted offer what I feel are valuable suggestions to improving this "Mages Guild Ultimate Ability"

1. So I call down a Meteor from outer space which is supposedly traveling at an average velocity of 100,000 mph hurtling towards my target. As this giant rock of fire and death approaches, said target quickly pops his "Reflective Scales", and those tiny magical dragon wings somehow instantly reverses this death ball's direction as it collides with the target. Subsequently, said ball of death gracefully floats through the air not unlike a frail leaf floating in the breeze. As this is happening, the caster gets a brief moment of reverence as he beholds this magical sight as time seems to all but stand still. Then suddenly, almost as if the caster reaches out to touch this beautiful orb of ore and fire, it collides with the caster with the same unstoppable, destructive force it previously held when it was first called down from the heavens.

Give me a f*n break! The fact meteor, a mages guild "Ultimate" ability, can be reflected to begin with is ridiculous! This should be changed. Period. Else we are left with an absurd state of affairs.

2. Due to its supposed velocity, targets should not be able to reduce damage of meteor by blocking. Now before you grab your torches and pitchforks, hear me out on this... So as we speak there is a new "cluster buster" ability being developed which when cast on a target explodes after a few seconds and does massive damage to surrounding foes. This is hugely problematic. This means all I need to do is log onto an EP char, for example, and have my DC buddy cast this "cluster buster" ability on me as I turn into a human bomb and purposefully run into groups of my EP "allies". I guarantee, until/unless this is officially considered exploiting, I will abuse this mechanic on every imaginable level. Welcome the dawn of the ESO suicide bombers.

As such, this ability is simply not a good design decision. No disrespect to the devs who make some great design decisions, this one is extremely flawed. Now, since the major problem and subsequent desire for a blob breaker ability are the impulse trains that spam aoe while blocking when necessary... IF Meteor was modified to where it could not have its damage mitigated via blocking, and the only way to receive no damage is a well timed dodge roll, this would be pretty efficient as a tool to use against clumped players both as a reasonable source of damage and a tool to encourage dodge rolling away from other players near you. Thus the suicide bombers never come to be, and we are left with a practical tool for discouraging this constant grouping and impulse spam train with a very minor change to an existing in-game ability.

Oh and make it a targetable aoe, like summoning the storm atro, and not a single target ability that then explodes for aoe. Would love to call down meteors to defend strategic locations, not just be at the mercy where "Joe AD" wanders to as we wait for the meteor to arrive.

So vote yes on prop. 692. You don't condone terrorism and suicide bombing do you? So do the right thing. Oh and all of my opponents were/are involved in sex and drug scandals.

Vote yes for these changes. These changes stand for freedom.

#meteorwontsuckanymore

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Calling out to ZOS to review the above idea ^.^

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Entire post fails simply because realism is used as an argument.

Asgari · January 2015

because fantasy and lore outweigh all that blabber you spewed onto my screen. Also thanks for opening admitting you will use alts to cheat.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Entire post fails simply because realism is used as an argument.

Then I guess you weren't astute enough to see through the humor and realize the impracticality of the most difficult to obtain and ultimate spell of the Mages guild can not only be entirely negated, but entirely reflected back on the caster with a spammable, fairly low cost "I am invincible!" button.

That's the argument. Sorry you missed it.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

because fantasy and lore outweigh all that blabber you spewed onto my screen. Also thanks for opening admitting you will use alts to cheat.

Didn't we use to be in the same guild you and I? Kinda harsh response don't you think?

As it stands I don't have any alts that aren't DC. It was an allegory to prove a point. That point being that this is an issue that will be rampant and somewhat undetectable as the perpetrator will just play the "I didn't see it one me!" card.

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

AriBoh · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

Because you're on the ESO forums.

Aoife32001 · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Give me a f*n break! The fact meteor, a mages guild "Ultimate" ability, can be reflected to begin with is ridiculous! This should be changed. Period. Else we are left with an absurd state of affairs.

I couldn't agree more with you here. This is ridiculous. Even if nothing else were changed, it should not be able to be reflected.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

Because you're on the ESO forums.

Lol so true xD

But I do believe there are plenty of people out there who could legitimately weigh in on the suggestion with some substance whether pro or con.

Sharee · January 2015

And while you are at it, remove trebuchets and ballistas from the game, they just cause unneccessary lag.

After all, who needs a paltry boulder to bombard enemy keep walls with when you can summon an effin meteor from outer space to do the job (and leave a smokin' crater where the keep used to be, flags and all)

saintmurray · January 2015

Instructions confusing *** caught in fan

Soulac · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

2. Due to its supposed velocity, targets should not be able to reduce damage of meteor by blocking.

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themizario · January 2015

I like seeing the meteor incoming then use wings and watch the OP die.

Soulac · January 2015

S&B, counter reflect.
Bye little flap flap DK.

Sanct16 · January 2015

Making it a targetable ground AoE would be a good change.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

Soulac wrote: »

S&B, counter reflect.
Bye little flap flap DK.

Eh yeah, but then the DK would flappy wing again and basically a long ass game of ping pong ensues :P

Soulac · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

S&B, counter reflect.
Bye little flap flap DK.

Eh yeah, but then the DK would flappy wing again and basically a long ass game of ping pong ensues :P

No, you can't play ping pong anymore.
If I attack you and use Reflect u will get hit even with reflect spam.

Nijjion · January 2015

First off #2 is laughable no one is going to do that. Yeah some people might 'try' but I very much doubt it will be effective.

So many threads are such a waste of everyones time at the moment as with the changes to 1.6.

Even if you make it an AoE ability and not targetable... 1.6 all aoes will be blockable, why should meteor be special and go through block when everything next patch will be blockable?

You might have a point with maybe reflecting it, though reflective scale is getting nerfed so less chance of that happening.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

Agreed, I don't think meteor should be reflectable. I wouldn't make it a ground AOE, and I wouldn't make it unblockable, but it really shouldn't be reflectable.

Sallington · January 2015

Soulac wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

2. Due to its supposed velocity, targets should not be able to reduce damage of meteor by blocking.

I need you to be louder, with your mouth way way way more open.

Asgari · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

Because you're on the ESO forums.

Lol so true xD

But I do believe there are plenty of people out there who could legitimately weigh in on the suggestion with some substance whether pro or con.

Idk who you are? And from your responses you were no one of importance.

Flynch · January 2015

Is this a 'sky is falling' thread?

ThatHappyCat · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get some people with a decent IQ to provide counterarguments or a constructive form of criticism rather than your typical ad hominem dribble?

Because you're on the ESO forums.

Lol so true xD

But I do believe there are plenty of people out there who could legitimately weigh in on the suggestion with some substance whether pro or con.

Idk who you are? And from your responses you were no one of importance.

... What?

Huntler · January 2015

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

ThatHappyCat · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

It already is AoE, but it deals half damage to non-primary targets.

Huntler · January 2015

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

It already is AoE, but it deals half damage to non-primary targets.

Yes, but I believe the OP was intending for it to be ground targettable equal damage (like other aoes), at least thats what I interpreted him to mean. Thus I think if that is the case, the damage would need to be lowered.

ThatHappyCat · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

It already is AoE, but it deals half damage to non-primary targets.

Yes, but I believe the OP was intending for it to be ground targettable equal damage (like other aoes), at least thats what I interpreted him to mean. Thus I think if that is the case, the damage would need to be lowered.

Even if it dealt full damage to its AoE I don't think it needs further nerfs, it isn't a very powerful Ulti even if you're the primary target and don't reflect it.

If it's further made unblockable then maybe, but even an unblocked hit is not hard to recover from. And it's an Ulti for Stendarr's sake, that costs 250 Ult... it should be powerful.

Sheezabeast · January 2015

I wish they would make a portion of the damage un-resistible, so even if its reflected, they take X amount of damage to compensate the cost for the caster

AriBoh · January 2015

I think the knock back is the most useful feature of meteor. Damage is ok but could be higher and I don't see why the aoe is so low compared to the primary targets damage. What really annoys me is the animation. I'm paying 250 ult for a soccer ball to someones head. would be cool as *** if the meteor was as big as the aoe or something. lag city I bet but cool non the less.

shanersimms_ESO · January 2015

I think many people who read this thread are missing the point of the suggestion of making Meteor unblockable.

The point was to alter an already in-game mechanic that would take the place of the new "human bomb" ability as seen in the recent ESO live update blogs they've started doing. My suggested change would circumvent the suicide bomber issue altogether and such a change would be quick and easy allowing devs to move on to other issues. There will be an ability, regardless your view, added to the game to counter blobs. This change would be safer and more efficient. Plus I'm not sure why the hatred by some of you. You do realize this mechanic already exists in the PvE side of the game? It's called: "Don't stand in the red". Parry all day long standing in that red circle and it won't help you. Not to mention I'm fairly certain parrying in siege weapon aoe damage doesn't mitigate any damage as is. How is this any different?

Huntler wrote: »

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

Please spell out, word for word, the part where I mentioned wanting a "1 hit ko ultimate". Suggesting game changes that improve lackluster abilities does not mean to make it a godlike ability. As someone already pointed out, the ability is already an aoe anyways... I'm unsure why you would think that anything about my post suggested that adding in my suggestions without tweaking damage as necessary to the ability was any component of the idea whatsoever. You really shouldn't make so many baseless assumptions.

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Idk who you are? And from your responses you were no one of importance.

Children, children, calm down and please stop playing with tiny little epeens. It's not near as big as you want to think it is.

The fact I'm suggesting quality gameplay changes and you just want to attempt to throw insults through the internet (lol?) speaks louder than anything you or I would have to say to one another.

Asgari · January 2015

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

I think many people who read this thread are missing the point of the suggestion of making Meteor unblockable.

The point was to alter an already in-game mechanic that would take the place of the new "human bomb" ability as seen in the recent ESO live update blogs they've started doing. My suggested change would circumvent the suicide bomber issue altogether and such a change would be quick and easy allowing devs to move on to other issues. There will be an ability, regardless your view, added to the game to counter blobs. This change would be safer and more efficient. Plus I'm not sure why the hatred by some of you. You do realize this mechanic already exists in the PvE side of the game? It's called: "Don't stand in the red". Parry all day long standing in that red circle and it won't help you. Not to mention I'm fairly certain parrying in siege weapon aoe damage doesn't mitigate any damage as is. How is this any different?

Huntler wrote: »

I can get on board with ultimates shouldn't be reflectable. Not blockable or any of that garbage is just dumb. You want a 1 hit ko ultimate which is bad for game design.

Also, I really don't care if you make it aoe or not, but if you do... the damage has to come down. Once again, balance.

Please spell out, word for word, the part where I mentioned wanting a "1 hit ko ultimate". Suggesting game changes that improve lackluster abilities does not mean to make it a godlike ability. As someone already pointed out, the ability is already an aoe anyways... I'm unsure why you would think that anything about my post suggested that adding in my suggestions without tweaking damage as necessary to the ability was any component of the idea whatsoever. You really shouldn't make so many baseless assumptions.

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Idk who you are? And from your responses you were no one of importance.

Children, children, calm down and please stop playing with tiny little epeens. It's not near as big as you want to think it is.

The fact I'm suggesting quality gameplay changes and you just want to attempt to throw insults through the internet (lol?) speaks louder than anything you or I would have to say to one another.

In all of your responses you have given zero positive feedback, just QQ. Meteor ulti hits just like the undaunted set. Of course it should be reflected, it's a spell projectile. You have 2 ulti for a reason. This just sounds like another nerf DK thread or buff this because the big bad DK makes it not as good!