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Nightblade Stealth
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".Edited by DDuke on January 9, 2015 1:52AM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My opinion, STEALTH from crouching should be breakable by any type of damage, however you should be able to be seen as though you were unstealthed (by mobs in PvE) I've ran past enemies easier unstealthed without being engaged in combat than I have being stealthed even with being a Khajiit having shadow maxed plus speed bonus from vamp and such.
CLOAK shouldn't be breakable by any sort of damage because come on, it's a skill and last 3 seconds. If you use magic to make yourself invisible, that magic effect isn't just going to stop. It'd be like someone hitting you and knocking you out of bound armor.
INVISIBILITY from potions really shouldn't be breakable either since again it is effect placed on you. In this case it would be like someone shooting you and it breaking health regen from a pot.
Magelight and pots to see invisible should understandably be able to reveal you to a player. I don't think any mobs are in the mages guild so they really shouldn't have magelight. In this situation you're using an effect to counteract an effect so it makes sense.
The fact that ZOS made three terms for being invisible and yet very sloppily use them interchangeably doesn't make sense.
What's the difference? In stealth you get 1.5x bonus damage and cloaked/invisible you get .5x bonus damage IIRC. I did the math on it once upon a time. Might have been 3x and 1.5x respectively.
Well, the thing is that pretty much everyone is running with stealth detection potions or magelight, and using those doesn't require much skill at all. Just one person in a grp running either of these skills is enough to make melee stealth builds a practical impossibility.
I gave an example of how I killed someone in PvP without really deserving that kill (a situation which also probably left the player in question wondering why his cloak wasn't working)
A well placed AoE effect to the area where you expect someone to be stealthed in however, that requires skill & makes for a more responsive, action oriented combat.
Cloak/Invisibility gives no damage bonus by the way, only sneaking gives you 15%~ more damage on targets with their backs turned to you (sometimes it bugs out and gives you no bonus).
Shadowy Disguise morph does give 70% more critical strike chance though.
I'm ok with the pretty much everyone running with stealth detection. It goes this way in most MMOs. As long as you can detect they have the stealth detection it's fine. Though looking at your example, they could tone back the detection radius a bit. I think they should be able to use the Teleport Strike without being seen. It's not the best "from stealth" attack, but it would give them an option. I think the whole snipe debacle caused a lot of problems with getting this all balanced.
Can't speak for all MMOs, since I obviously havent played all of them, but in the ones I've played, not one had a toggleable "passive" ability that made your playstyle impossible.
WoW for example, the only way to pop you out of stealth was an AoE spell or a DoT on you (preventing you from stealthing for the duration of DoT).
This made the combat very skill based in a way (yeah, tab targeting & all...)
It was very clear when you could stealth, and when you could not. There was no middle-ground of "maybe it'll work?"
Now imagine playing WoW as a rogue, when everyone you ran close to was able to instantly spot you, rendering half your class skills unusable.For the cloak/invisibility damage, It's been about a month or so since I've actively played my nightblade so things could have changed. I using veiled strike from stealth was doing about 1.5k whereas from cloak it was about 750 I think and 500 normal. I'll get on him later this afternoon and verify some numbers. The 1.5k I am sure of though. because he would 1-2 hit ko most of the VR1 mobs when I was going through. (he's VR2 now for what it's worth but I stopped playing when he rolled to the new level)
You only get sneak attack modifier when attacking enemies from stealth.
Veiled Strike/Surprise Attack only gets a stun applied on non-blocking enemies when used from cloak, and your numbers sound surrealistic given that most Snipes are lucky to crit 1.5k from stealth these days.
@DDuke I got some numbers as promised.
It was kinda quick so I went into Glenumbra VR1 area and found some red rooks.
Using crouched stealth and Surprise Attack I hit for 2088 on four different types of red rook and one wolf
Using Shadowy Disguise and Surprise Attack I hit for 745 four times and 777 once
Normal no stealth or cloak I hit for 399 with Surprise Attack
Heavy Attack from crouched stealth was 566
Heavy from Shadowy Disguise was 271
Normal Heavy crit was 205
Heavy without crit 105
I have two modifiers that I could find:
Master Assassin +10% dmg from stealth
Stealthy (Racial) +10% dmg from stealth
Possibly noteworthy he's a vamp, but I didn't see any relevant buffs from it.
Mundus: Apprentice
Dual Wield: Swords
Magicka
2260/2313
50pts
Stamina
1087/2313
0pts
Spell dmg
102/111
crit
6%
Weapon dmg
158/171
crit
33%
I don't have the math for it yet, but wanted to pop up the raw data anyway.
Edit: Forgot to add, in Surprise Attack's description it shows 502dmg
Interesting. I'll make conduct some tests of my own & I'll let you know what happens.
Kind of crazy that you have 502 as Surprise Attack's tooltip damage with those stats (it's almost the same as my Flying Blade with 228 weapon damage & 2.6k stamina).1 -
Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kind of lame that a crafted potion any class can use is more powerful than a class ability.
Cloak was good when game was first released. Then they "revamped" it and made it useless.
Not getting my hopes up at this point....0 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
Lol... playing since beta... can count my escapes on one hand... but I'm doing it wrong I guessEdited by AltusVenifus on January 9, 2015 3:21AM0 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".
Wrong.
They are dual wielding with a bow and a stamina build. Stamina builds are better almost across the board now.
I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
And they all escape with Cloak. If you aren't using dark cloak you're doing it wrong.1 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".
Wrong.
They are dual wielding with a bow and a stamina build. Stamina builds are better almost across the board now.
I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
And they all escape with Cloak. If you aren't using dark cloak you're doing it wrong.
Everyone in here knows u are 7light sorcerer... u get owned by stamina nightblades... put some armor on... u choose to play a character that is stupid squishy without shields up...
I wear 5 heavy and have no problems with burst nightblades... I think u are stuck 2 months ago... with armor capped those snipers hit for 400-600... 150 blocked...
From your vast sorcerer experience with invis... please teach us how to use the skills...
The guy who constantly complains about underpowered sorcs... writes thesis papers on how to improve the class... doesn't want another classes broken skill fixed... not at all transparent... u really are stealthy...
We want the skill fixed already... 8 months...Edited by AltusVenifus on January 9, 2015 4:19AM2 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »AltusVenifus wrote: »I'm not sure they think it is bugged. The mechanic of it is stupid...
They know it's bugged, they say AoE should break it, and Magelight and detect potion allow you to see through it.
Which means they know the other things are bugs, I mean how could they not, they've specified what isn't a bug, what's left no matter how ridiculous has to be a bug.
Magelight through invisibility has been fixed some time ago,in the patch notes, you can be safe in invisibility near a mage lighter, i can confirm this i'm an nb, but detecting potion make invisibility useless, it's stupid that a cheap and common potion , makes a skill completly useless, this need fo be fixed for first, than i think is ok, because if you make the skill completly immune to all type of aoe damage also it will be too op, i think it should be immune only to dot aoe and not too regular aoe , like for example impulse.0 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AltusVenifus wrote: »This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".
Wrong.
They are dual wielding with a bow and a stamina build. Stamina builds are better almost across the board now.
I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
And they all escape with Cloak. If you aren't using dark cloak you're doing it wrong.
Everyone in here knows u are 7light sorcerer... u get owned by stamina nightblades... put some armor on... u choose to play a character that is stupid squishy without shields up...
I wear 5 heavy and have no problems with burst nightblades... I think u are stuck 2 months ago... with armor capped those snipers hit for 400-600... 150 blocked...
From your vast sorcerer experience with invis... please teach us how to use the skills...
The guy who constantly complains about underpowered sorcs... writes thesis papers on how to improve the class... doesn't want another classes broken skill fixed... not at all transparent... u really are stealthy...
We want the skill fixed already... 8 months...
I am a Sorc main but I don't wear 7 light. I'm actually over capped on armor. But if you'd like to talk smack about me getting owned by NBs would you care to give me a go in a duel? Or are you just a forum warrior who likes to make things personal but can't back up his inflated sense of ego with anything but words?
Anyway, I'm on my phone now, but when I get home I'll link you a few "theses" that I wrote soon after launch (I wrote more during my time as a closed beta tester but those are no longer retrievable) where I argued at length that NBs were broken and needed to be fixed.
I'll also link you a video where I did extensive testing on Dark Cloak to see if it was bugged (spoiler alert, it isn't, most NBs just don't understand the mechanics of stealth and stealth counters.)2 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
This is flat at false info. BE is still king of escape. Nerf hasn't done *** to stop a properly geared sorcerer from skipping halfway across the map. I see this all the time. NB sword and board SAP is vying with DK, however those that want to play stealth assassin magicka type are sol because cloak is broke.Edited by LegacyDM on January 9, 2015 5:27AMLegacy of Kain
Vicious Carnage
¥ampire Lord of the South0 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭AltusVenifus wrote: »This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".
Wrong.
They are dual wielding with a bow and a stamina build. Stamina builds are better almost across the board now.
I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
And they all escape with Cloak. If you aren't using dark cloak you're doing it wrong.
Everyone in here knows u are 7light sorcerer... u get owned by stamina nightblades... put some armor on... u choose to play a character that is stupid squishy without shields up...
I wear 5 heavy and have no problems with burst nightblades... I think u are stuck 2 months ago... with armor capped those snipers hit for 400-600... 150 blocked...
From your vast sorcerer experience with invis... please teach us how to use the skills...
The guy who constantly complains about underpowered sorcs... writes thesis papers on how to improve the class... doesn't want another classes broken skill fixed... not at all transparent... u really are stealthy...
We want the skill fixed already... 8 months...
I am a Sorc main but I don't wear 7 light. I'm actually over capped on armor. But if you'd like to talk smack about me getting owned by NBs would you care to give me a go in a duel? Or are you just a forum warrior who likes to make things personal but can't back up his inflated sense of ego with anything but words?
Anyway, I'm on my phone now, but when I get home I'll link you a few "theses" that I wrote soon after launch (I wrote more during my time as a closed beta tester but those are no longer retrievable) where I argued at length that NBs were broken and needed to be fixed.
I'll also link you a video where I did extensive testing on Dark Cloak to see if it was bugged (spoiler alert, it isn't, most NBs just don't understand the mechanics of stealth and stealth counters.)
O please... Here is my extensive testing. I play everyday and stealth breaks because everything under the sun counters stealth along with the broken cloak mechanics. My fun factor for playing an assassin build has hit rock bottom and thinking of un subbing and playing something else until they fix it.Edited by LegacyDM on January 9, 2015 5:26AMLegacy of Kain
Vicious Carnage
¥ampire Lord of the South4 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭AltusVenifus wrote: »This is a ridiculous idea.
NB cloak works fine and I see Nbs escape fights more than any other class. They escape way more than Sorcs, especially since the nerf to BE.
This idea would make them practically impossible to catch.
NB is already vying with DK for best class.
It's time for the Forum Blades to give it a rest with asking for buffs.
You are aware that those Nightblades you're talking about rarely (if ever) have cloak slotted?
You are probably also aware that they are all magicka Nightblades, focused on the same heals & dmg shield (resto staff) crap that everyone else is doing?
Besides, no one is asking for buffs for the class, but fixes for the stealth playstyle.
Cloak is definitely not working, and tomorrow I'm going to make a special video, just for people like you who keep claiming it "works fine".
Wrong.
They are dual wielding with a bow and a stamina build. Stamina builds are better almost across the board now.
I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
And they all escape with Cloak. If you aren't using dark cloak you're doing it wrong.
Everyone in here knows u are 7light sorcerer... u get owned by stamina nightblades... put some armor on... u choose to play a character that is stupid squishy without shields up...
I wear 5 heavy and have no problems with burst nightblades... I think u are stuck 2 months ago... with armor capped those snipers hit for 400-600... 150 blocked...
From your vast sorcerer experience with invis... please teach us how to use the skills...
The guy who constantly complains about underpowered sorcs... writes thesis papers on how to improve the class... doesn't want another classes broken skill fixed... not at all transparent... u really are stealthy...
We want the skill fixed already... 8 months...
I am a Sorc main but I don't wear 7 light. I'm actually over capped on armor. But if you'd like to talk smack about me getting owned by NBs would you care to give me a go in a duel? Or are you just a forum warrior who likes to make things personal but can't back up his inflated sense of ego with anything but words?
Anyway, I'm on my phone now, but when I get home I'll link you a few "theses" that I wrote soon after launch (I wrote more during my time as a closed beta tester but those are no longer retrievable) where I argued at length that NBs were broken and needed to be fixed.
I'll also link you a video where I did extensive testing on Dark Cloak to see if it was bugged (spoiler alert, it isn't, most NBs just don't understand the mechanics of stealth and stealth counters.)
Lol... i would love to duel u so I can continue to reinforce my ego... thank u for offering... however we are the same faction... although I never see u on thornblade... only in pve
Maybe u haven't read the post... the post is about taking damage while invisible... which breaks invis and needs to be changed... I don't think it is bugged and i specifically state that... it is broken meaning the mechanic does not work and is stupid... like a heal over time that stops working if u take damage...
actually name one other skill in the game that fails with any damage received...
Ill wait...
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Do you think stealth pots and sneaking should behave the same?
Or is it only NBs who get this unbreakable version of stealth?2 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭Stealth is not invis... Stealth no... if i walk next to a stealth ed character they should appear... let alone damaging them...
pots say invis so yes... the skill says go invis for 2.5 seconds... not reenter stealth for 2.5 seconds... if the skill was a stealth mechanic fine... it isn't... it is a skill that turns u invisible for 2.5...
also u can't reenter steAlth after using invis while marked in combat,...0 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Here's the video and the write up BTW:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104724/nightblade-testing-dark-cloak-and-dots
And I was wrong. One DoT wasn't working as intended with Dark Cloak. Cripling Grasp would pull the NB out of stealth if they applied to someone else (but not if it was applied to them.)
So there was at least one bug with Dark Cloak back in May.Edited by NordJitsu on January 9, 2015 7:35AM0 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Or you start quaffing detection potions, use Radiant Magelight, throw Caltrops, use AoE skills.Stealth is cool, it adds a lot to PvP, but using it to escape a fight that YOU started is ***. You shouldn't be able to stealth up while in combat, and I can't wait for the stealth revealing flares to be added.
TLDR:
More Nightblades need to come up with builds that can actually fight toe to toe instead of relying on ganking people on horseback.
Lava_Croft is basically saying you need to learn to play..
I was thinking the same about Nightblades who want to play Peek-A-Boo Online. =D
Besides, nobody should have to use gold, their potion timer, or absurd amounts of magika/stamina to find someone who STARTED the fight.
Says who?
If a class has no real self heals in their skill tree and no wards - Yet they have a skill that suggests they can hide to compensate then it needs to work.
This is the nb equivalent of a sorc's ward or be, a dk's green dragon blood and reflect, and a templars blazing shield and massive insta healing capacity.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Here's the video and the write up BTW:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104724/nightblade-testing-dark-cloak-and-dots
And I was wrong. One DoT wasn't working as intended with Dark Cloak. Cripling Grasp would pull the NB out of stealth if they applied to someone else (but not if it was applied to them.)
So there was at least one bug with Dark Cloak back in May.I think you're stuck 5 months ago.
You might want to rethink that statement.
Cloak actually used to work almost decently 5 months ago, now it's broken as reported by multiple people in multiple threads (since patch 1.4-1.5).
If you are dying to a 7/7 Medium Bow/DW Nightblades, then you are doing something wrong.
Do you have over 3k health, know how to break CC & block? Have you got a dmg shield/heal slotted? If so, then no stamina Nightblade should be able to kill you, ever.2 -
naatokb14_ESO✭✭✭Yet another reason why I rarely PvP on my NB now.
NB are becoming practically useless in PvP except as implements of respawn travel gankage.gawad-du.enjin.com/
"For what deem'st thou so dear thy blood, when through my veins it will flood?"0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭First part in my video series to demonstrate how broken the stealth gameplay & cloak are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtIXiRmB-y0
Enjoy (or don't).3 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭
Nothing is more boring than this bug...First part in my video series to demonstrate how broken the stealth gameplay & cloak are:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtIXiRmB-y0
Enjoy (or don't).
Just hope they do something about stealth gameplay in 1.62 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭First part in my video series to demonstrate how broken the stealth gameplay & cloak are:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtIXiRmB-y0
Enjoy (or don't).
just from that video you can see how unbelievably broken Shadow Cloak still is.. (and stealth when you get too close to NPC's) .... totally unacceptable... more than 8 months later and it's still like this...
if they made cloak so it wouldn't break on damage then like more than 1/2 of these issues would be fixed..Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.1 -
phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stopped using cloak in Cyrodil in the first 10 minutes. Unless you are miles from any NPC and almost as far from other players you almost never get the full duration and a bug farting on the other side of the map breaks it.
I haven't used Shadow Cloak in PVE since they gave mobs real xp.1 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭I think that other classes have amazing survival skills. Stealth should be ours. It is different then green dragon blood and scales. Different then bolt escape and shield for Templar. I think that it could and should be really powerful. Also there are so many ways to play a nightblade~ in my opinion magic based NB's do not get the advantage of the hard hitting crits that stamina based NB's get so I am fine with them being able to escape a fight. Stamina based NB's would be unable to chain it like magicka based NB's.... seems balanced to me.1 -
Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭I have no interest in anything other than playing my magicka based NB. I left the game due to the several bugs related to NB, returned when said bugs were to be fixed, left the game again when the bugs not only were not fixed but got worse, returned yet again and find out those same bugs and NB issues still exit.
So devs, now that you have proven incapable of fixing core mechanics required by a class to be functional I simply suggest you make all skills work just like shadow cloak. Please simply add this to every single skill tool tip in the game:
"This skill will only work 30-60% of the time randomly."
There you go. You fixed the game for everyone. Everyone can now play on par with each other.
I will now unsub until such time you can prove a major fix can actually be done. You have the time to add fixes in patch notes for things NOBODY cared about yet can't be bothered with fundamental core class mechanics that make or break most NB builds. Please ZO (not players ... I don't care what you think about my actions) go check your logs and see that I immediately cancelled my sub right after I posted this. I merely inform you of this to let you know why you lost me as a player yet again. It is in your power to keep players like me but you refuse to fix your game. You have only yourselves to blame.Edited by Tamanous on January 10, 2015 10:57PM1 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think that other classes have amazing survival skills. Stealth should be ours. It is different then green dragon blood and scales. Different then bolt escape and shield for Templar. I think that it could and should be really powerful. Also there are so many ways to play a nightblade~ in my opinion magic based NB's do not get the advantage of the hard hitting crits that stamina based NB's get so I am fine with them being able to escape a fight. Stamina based NB's would be unable to chain it like magicka based NB's.... seems balanced to me.
Don't forget that NBs also have Sap Essence.
Sorc has by far the worst survivability.1 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭I think that other classes have amazing survival skills. Stealth should be ours. It is different then green dragon blood and scales. Different then bolt escape and shield for Templar. I think that it could and should be really powerful. Also there are so many ways to play a nightblade~ in my opinion magic based NB's do not get the advantage of the hard hitting crits that stamina based NB's get so I am fine with them being able to escape a fight. Stamina based NB's would be unable to chain it like magicka based NB's.... seems balanced to me.
Don't forget that NBs also have Sap Essence.
Sorc has by far the worst survivability.
I don't know why NB getting a skill fixed threatens players with other classes... I get it, that players are worried about class balance, but its not like we are asking ZOS to make us OP... or nerf another class.
and if
it is OP when fixed, nerf it... but as it stands right now, it is unacceptable to still be completely useless1 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭First part in my video series to demonstrate how broken the stealth gameplay & cloak are:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtIXiRmB-y0
Enjoy (or don't).
Thanks for making this video...0 -
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✭I think that other classes have amazing survival skills. Stealth should be ours. It is different then green dragon blood and scales. Different then bolt escape and shield for Templar. I think that it could and should be really powerful. Also there are so many ways to play a nightblade~ in my opinion magic based NB's do not get the advantage of the hard hitting crits that stamina based NB's get so I am fine with them being able to escape a fight. Stamina based NB's would be unable to chain it like magicka based NB's.... seems balanced to me.
Don't forget that NBs also have Sap Essence.
Sorc has by far the worst survivability.
So? What's your point? I don't use SAP essence, I'm not a tank... I play a stealth assassin build. However as a stealth assassin I need to rely on cloak as my #1 escape/survivability tool. Yet it's broken so I'm at a disadvantage with this build and playstyle. It's complete BS. And I guarentee you that my survivabilty is worse than any sorc because my cloak is broke.Edited by LegacyDM on January 10, 2015 11:57PMLegacy of Kain
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AltusVenifus wrote: »I think that other classes have amazing survival skills. Stealth should be ours. It is different then green dragon blood and scales. Different then bolt escape and shield for Templar. I think that it could and should be really powerful. Also there are so many ways to play a nightblade~ in my opinion magic based NB's do not get the advantage of the hard hitting crits that stamina based NB's get so I am fine with them being able to escape a fight. Stamina based NB's would be unable to chain it like magicka based NB's.... seems balanced to me.
Don't forget that NBs also have Sap Essence.
Sorc has by far the worst survivability.
I don't know why NB getting a skill fixed threatens players with other classes... I get it, that players are worried about class balance, but its not like we are asking ZOS to make us OP... or nerf another class.
and if
it is OP when fixed, nerf it... but as it stands right now, it is unacceptable to still be completely useless
I don't at all have a problem with them fixing broken NB skills. NB was the first class I ever played in this game in Beta and I played one for several months. I plan to make a NB alt (well I have one already but very low level) so I'd love for them to be functional.
Thing is, I'm not sure that Cloak is really broken. In the video above I see two issues, that Crippling Grasp and Poison Arrow break cloak when applied to other targets. The same thing happened with Crippling Grasp in my own testing. The Poison Arrow thing is new to me though and I'd like to see it replicated (preferably on players.)
A lot of the other stuff seems particular to keep/resource guards. That stuff happens with all classes (like stealth inexplicably breaking.) I think they gave the guards like a crazy high detection radius, likely on purpose to make it easier on defenders. Having the Cloak broken by damage though doesn't seem to be unintentional at all and I'd be surprised to hear if it was.
See, while I plan to play a NB, I don't think my NB should be invincible with the simple press of an invisibility button. I'm already going invisible and forcing them to lose their target. If I want to stay invisible it should require a bit of movement/work/skill on my part. All I have to do is avoid the damage.
I've seen some NBs who are amazing at this. There were 2-3 AD NBs who frustrated and entire zerg outside of Sejanus a week or so ago. They'd pop out of stealth and burst down a squishy, then disappear when the zerg tried to catch them. They were doing intelligent things like using rocks, terrain, ect. while invisible to avoid damage.
Too often NBs go invisible and treat it like an invincibility mode. They stop dodging or moving away from attacks. That's their fault.
One of the things that I immediately liked about this game (and remember this is when I was playing a NB) was the way stealth/invisibility works. It's powerful, but not overly so because there are counters. I've played games with OP invisibility (looking at you GW2) and while it may be fun for the Rogue, it sucks for everyone else and really (for me personally) isn't fun to play either because it's too easy.
I really do hope ZoS fixes any bugs with Cloak since there do appear to be some (your own DoTs seem to pull you out still, even if enemy DoTs don't.) But making Cloaked players immune to all damage is an absurd overreaction to the fact that things sometimes aren't working right and would be a terrible change for the game overall, no matter what class you play.2 -
AltusVenifus✭✭✭Cloak shouldn't make u immune to damage, that would be really dumb... u should receive all damage... AOE, direct target ranged, melee etc... it just shouldn't break your invis...
Edited by AltusVenifus on January 11, 2015 2:37AM2 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AltusVenifus wrote: »Cloak shouldn't make u immune to damage, that would be really dumb... u should receive all damage... AOE, direct target ranged, melee etc... it just shouldn't break your invis...
That's still overly powerful.
Damage, particularly AoEs, are the only reliable way to counter Invis. Things like mage light and detection pots don't work well at range because they have a radial limit. So you're pretty much left with DoTs (if they didn't pick Dark Cloak), AoE's to the location they went invisible, or Daedric Curse (which you'd need to apply before they disappear.)
Not a lot of options and certainly leaves enough wiggle room for skilled NBs to escape.
Again, I saw 3 dudes taunt and frustrate about 24 EP for something like 25 minutes.
I'd say Cloak is pretty darn powerful already.0