How many people noticed that our food ingredients will go stale

AlexDougherty · January 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.

Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.

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@Kaer426 pointed this out in the crafting section (I'll let you find the thread), so I was wondering, how many of us realised that our stocks of ingredients might become utterly useless? (I know I didn't)

Grunim · January 2015

But the last part that wasn't bolded was, "...and we'd like to include some way to offload them that provides value."

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Grunim wrote: »

But the last part that wasn't bolded was, "...and we'd like to include some way to offload them that provides value."

I copied it direct from the crafting thread, that last bit wasn't included in the discussion, I'm not sure what the method of unloading it is, maybe just selling en masse to a vendor?

Tavore1138 · January 2015

Heh, I knew there would be some retribution for the number of tomatoes and oats I've been getting lately... *****ers!

What we need is a list of people this next patch is not going to annoy in some way

Artemiisia · January 2015

im looking more forward to the vr10 recipes, hope my minority of mats I have stacked up works with that

Ourorboros · January 2015

Planned to check out new system on PTS and find best option for current foods ,drinks, and ingredients before the change on live server. Weren't you?

Grunim · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

But the last part that wasn't bolded was, "...and we'd like to include some way to offload them that provides value."

I copied it direct from the crafting thread, that last bit wasn't included in the discussion, I'm not sure what the method of unloading it is, maybe just selling en masse to a vendor?

Yes, I interpreted that as some sort of special vendor that will buy stale ingredients. Hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer to find out what it really means.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Heh, I knew there would be some retribution for the number of tomatoes and oats I've been getting lately... *****ers!

What we need is a list of people this next patch is not going to annoy in some way

Small list, virtually everyone crafts food.

Artemiisia wrote: »

im looking more forward to the vr10 recipes, hope my minority of mats I have stacked up works with that

The quote does seem to indicate they won't, but I'm still looking forward to the new recipes too.

Slurg · January 2015

Lots of people participated in that developer thread and presumably read those words. I did. I'm not getting upset and raging about it though (yet) since I haven't seen exactly how it will impact me. I suspect most people who are aware are reserving judgement until we see how it is implemented on the PTS.

Edit: If anyone missed and wants to see the full discussion (which started in July)
go to the Provisioning Revamp thread in the Developer Discussions section.

Artemiisia · January 2015

it would be nutz, if they made new mats, we first have to farm in order to be able to use the new recipes as well, that will make those mats the first couple of months worth lots

jopeymonster · January 2015

Gina does indicate that it will be "basic" ingredients. The belief would be that the additive mats which you can buy will go away, leaving only a few tiers of those grocer level mats, and all extra mats come from hirelings and drops.

I find it hard to believe that things like Pepper, Salt, Red Wheat, Honey Comb, so forth that are all used in 3-stat will just be unusable. Ya never know with ZOS now a days though, amirite?

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Slurg wrote: »

Lots of people participated in that developer thread and presumably read those words. I did. I'm not getting upset and raging about it though (yet) since I haven't seen exactly how it will impact me. I suspect most people who are aware are reserving judgement until we see how it is implemented on the PTS.

I'm not getting upset, it just occurred to me nobody had mentioned it on General Discussion, so I thought I better had. I have far too few ingredients to worry about (even my reserves of red wheat have gone down recently, by coincidence), and I'm waiting to see how it unfolds myself.

Artemiisia wrote: »

it would be nutz, if they made new mats, we first have to farm in order to be able to use the new recipes as well, that will make those mats the first couple of months worth lots

Yep, but that appears to be the route they are taking, hopefully some of the new ingredients will be nuts

Darlgon · January 2015

And, in the ESO Live on provisioning, they said that the old ingredient would still be useful. Dont start a panic on this too.

MissBizz · January 2015

Yeah I'm not making a move until pts hits

UrQuan · January 2015

Personally I'd think the best thing to do would be to convert the unused ingredients to equivalent new ingredients. For example, if pepper is still used in the new system, but salt isn't, all of the salt in your inventory would become pepper (maybe not the greatest example, but you know what I mean).

Having said that, if it means fewer varieties of ingredients in our inventory, I'm fine with turning some types of ingredients stale and letting us vendor them for a fair price.

freespirit · January 2015

Up 'til now not really been bothered about the upcoming changes, MMO's change that's just the way they go.....

Now very bothered, I keep my tomatoes at the perfect temperature to keep them fresh!!

Seriously though this is not good, some of us have been farming our ingredient stocks for months. Not to mention those that only come by mail that we all save up. Guess I'm just gonna have to do a hell of a lot of cooking.

I now have a sense of the injustice being felt by those who have continued to play their VR14's thinking the earned XP was being tracked.

Tavore1138 · January 2015

Slurg wrote: »

Lots of people participated in that developer thread and presumably read those words. I did. I'm not getting upset and raging about it though (yet) since I haven't seen exactly how it will impact me. I suspect most people who are aware are reserving judgement until we see how it is implemented on the PTS.

I think you young folks (assumption) need to realise there is a whole range of emotion between 'Happy' & 'Rage'.

Depending on how this plays out I could be anywhere from 'Happy' to 'Mildly Irritated'. I can't see how it could cause 'Rage'.

To save me reading the whole thread - does anyone know what will happen to existing created food?

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

And, in the ESO Live on provisioning, they said that the old ingredient would still be useful. Dont start a panic on this too.

Sorry, a panic wasn't my intention, just raising it for discussion, I'm sort of hoping someone from @Zos will comment, and clarify it a bit

Artemiisia · January 2015

no no Suraklin, you cant be nothing else then happy or going postal, you need to learn that

AlexDougherty · January 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Personally I'd think the best thing to do would be to convert the unused ingredients to equivalent new ingredients. For example, if pepper is still used in the new system, but salt isn't, all of the salt in your inventory would become pepper (maybe not the greatest example, but you know what I mean).

Having said that, if it means fewer varieties of ingredients in our inventory, I'm fine with turning some types of ingredients stale and letting us vendor them for a fair price.

Nice idea, they've said that crafted foods will be converted, so crafting the foods wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Lots of people participated in that developer thread and presumably read those words. I did. I'm not getting upset and raging about it though (yet) since I haven't seen exactly how it will impact me. I suspect most people who are aware are reserving judgement until we see how it is implemented on the PTS.

I think you young folks (assumption) need to realise there is a whole range of emotion between 'Happy' & 'Rage'.

Depending on how this plays out I could be anywhere from 'Happy' to 'Mildly Irritated'. I can't see how it could cause 'Rage'.

To save me reading the whole thread - does anyone know what will happen to existing created food?

@SuraklinPrime
It gets converted as do recipes, so using up the ingredients might be the best option, or possibly not

Tavore1138 · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Lots of people participated in that developer thread and presumably read those words. I did. I'm not getting upset and raging about it though (yet) since I haven't seen exactly how it will impact me. I suspect most people who are aware are reserving judgement until we see how it is implemented on the PTS.

I think you young folks (assumption) need to realise there is a whole range of emotion between 'Happy' & 'Rage'.

Depending on how this plays out I could be anywhere from 'Happy' to 'Mildly Irritated'. I can't see how it could cause 'Rage'.

To save me reading the whole thread - does anyone know what will happen to existing created food?

@SuraklinPrime
It gets converted as do recipes, so using up the ingredients might be the best option, or possibly not

Thanks - I used just over half what I had to play safe.

Slurg · January 2015

I said I'm certainly not going to fly into a rage about it. I didn't say the OP was. Those of you who can't make that distinction maybe need to work on that.

The best way to start a panic in General Discussion is to post some vague information about something being taken away. There are a lot of good things coming with the provisioning changes too. I recommend reading the full provisioning post in Developer Discussions.

Nightreaver · January 2015

@Artemiisia
During the podcast where they discussed 1.6 (Dec 19 I THINK) they showed a few of the new VR10 recipes. The recipes were made up of ingredients that were both currently available as well as ones that were new which would make sense since they are a higher level than anything currently available. Lower level recipes (level 35 to VR5) I would expect to remain using currently available mats. The Alliance specific recipes (level 1 to 30) would be the exception.

I seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere that there would no longer be any alliance specific recipes (recipes 1-30). If that is true then there would no longer be any need for alliance specific ingredients. I would personally much rather have all the inventory space that would free up. I would also much rather have ONE version of a low level recipe for all 3 alliances using mats common to all 3 alliances than a different version of the same low level recipe for each alliance with each requiring mats only found in that low level alliance zone.

MornaBaine · January 2015

So long as we are given something OF EQUAL VALUE to these now obsolete ingredients I'm just fine with it. Now some ingredients have ZERO value in gold with the NPC merchants. Nevertheless, they DO have value: the time you spent gathering the darn things! So I EXPECT something worthwhile for those as well. Frankly I'd be happiest if all my obsolete ingredients just magically turned into their new and improved counterparts.

But what I'm pretty sure is going to happen is that ingredients that currently have 0 gold value are going to stay that way once they're stale. Ingredients that have a gold value will suddenly have LESS value. And we're going to be left scrambling to try to get our hands on the new ingredients and our stockpiles will essentially be worthless because whatever ZOS comes up with as a "reasonable value" is not going to be at all realistic.

Re-reading, I do see where she says, "Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. " Since I'm pretty darn sure we're going to get the shaft on all of our now stale ingredients I would HOPE they err on the side of GENEROSITY when deciding what they're going to actually replace the other ingredients and recipes with.

MercutioElessar · January 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.

Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.

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Another crapload-of-*** decision.

firstdecan · January 2015

Did you all miss the part where the current plan is to replace current ingredients with ingredients from the new system, and the stale ingredients will only be those that don't convert for whatever reason?

This is no reason to panic, the denizens of Tamriel will not starve in the streets.

AlnilamE · January 2015

Errr.. anyone who read the thread when they first asked for feedback back in July would have known that.

UrQuan · January 2015

MercutioElessar wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.

Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.

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Another crapload-of-*** decision.

Well it's impossible to make that evaluation without knowing the details of how the replacement will work, and how the offloading in a way that provides value will work. Without knowing those things, you'd just be talking out of your ass if you said that it was a bad decision. You wouldn't do that would you?

So, since you wouldn't talk out of your ass, you must have insider information on exactly how the provisioning changes will affect what we've got in our inventories! Please share that info with the rest of us!

Tallowby · January 2015

Does anyone have a list of the ingredients that are planed to go stale after the update?

If not can a DEV release one so the player base can use them up before the patch.

As I see it the only "value" potentially would be selling off the Food/Drink created from the soon to be stale inventory before the update hits.

KBKB · January 2015

What a slap in the face from ZOS I've lost count of them now