How many people noticed that our food ingredients will go stale

TequilaFire

All stale ingredients will be turned into 30 pomegranates so every one starts
out on an even foot under the new system.

Disclaimer - This is a Joke not meant to be fact!

Nestor

Yes please let us know what will be going away at least so we can use them or free up inventory space

AlexDougherty

firstdecan wrote: »

Did you all miss the part where the current plan is to replace current ingredients with ingredients from the new system, and the stale ingredients will only be those that don't convert for whatever reason?

This is no reason to panic, the denizens of Tamriel will not starve in the streets.

Great, That's the sort of thing I was hoping to hear, thanks.

MercutioElessar

UrQuan wrote: »

MercutioElessar wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.

Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.

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Another crapload-of-*** decision.

Well it's impossible to make that evaluation without knowing the details of how the replacement will work, and how the offloading in a way that provides value will work. Without knowing those things, you'd just be talking out of your ass if you said that it was a bad decision. You wouldn't do that would you?

So, since you wouldn't talk out of your ass, you must have insider information on exactly how the provisioning changes will affect what we've got in our inventories! Please share that info with the rest of us!

Hm, no I don't have insider info. I think it's one of the worst decisions ever since it ruins variety.

AlnilamE

Tallowby wrote: »

Does anyone have a list of the ingredients that are planed to go stale after the update?

If not can a DEV release one so the player base can use them up before the patch.

As I see it the only "value" potentially would be selling off the Food/Drink created from the soon to be stale inventory before the update hits.

I'm going to find out by loggin on to the PTS as soon as Update 6 is deployed there. That will give me plenty of time to make any necessary adjustments.

UrQuan

MercutioElessar wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

MercutioElessar wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.

Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.

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Another crapload-of-*** decision.

Well it's impossible to make that evaluation without knowing the details of how the replacement will work, and how the offloading in a way that provides value will work. Without knowing those things, you'd just be talking out of your ass if you said that it was a bad decision. You wouldn't do that would you?

So, since you wouldn't talk out of your ass, you must have insider information on exactly how the provisioning changes will affect what we've got in our inventories! Please share that info with the rest of us!

Hm, no I don't have insider info. I think it's one of the worst decisions ever since it ruins variety.

So... you are talking out of your ass and damning a decision without knowing any of the details of it? I see.

Wreuntzylla

Next up: Your upgrade mats will rust/mold!

You heard it here first!

timidobserver

I am fine with it going stale. I'll just get more.

Nestor

We already have Stale Radishes now, so what's going to happen to them? They get Moldy?

What do Stale Radishes even get used for?

Gyudan

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Sorry, a panic wasn't my intention

(added the missing emote)

Seriously though, it would be great if the most "precious" materials didn't suddenly become useless when update 6 hits.
For example, if only one upgrade material to purple food remains (let's say only tomatoes survive), pepper and oats could be turned into tomatoes instead of becoming stale pepper and stale oats.

Nestor

This is two things that I will have to investigate in the PTS for 1.6, Provisioning Ingredients and Motifs. For the former what will be carried over, for the later (and the former) how hard will it be to farm for these.

kieso

This is great news, I'm glad they're revising the mat pool for provisioning.

Tapio75

Provisioning has been great from the start and i would like it to stay as it is.

Only thing wrong is the players, hoarding tons of ingredients for all possible recipes.. All we really need is couple recipes that a character really uses, nothing more..

People should just understand that if they are going to hoard all crafting skills to the best, they have consequence that is storage capacity going off.

One thing that would help all is to implement a per character reagent storage which is not account wide but the characters personal and is bih enough to accommodate enough ingredients for characters personal crafting skills BUT not all the crafting skills simultaneously.

Moonshadow66

I'm still wondering, what would happen if I would use up all my ingredients for food now, will this food still be there and consumable after that update? Of what I understood, it's just the ingredients that go stale (or did I misunderstand this?).

Also, would this "old" food/recipes have increased buffs after update 6 like the newer stuff will have, like 10x higher? Not that I'd go cooking stacks of food just to see that the buffs are still the same after the update (example: current food: +300 health/magicka/stamina; update 6 food with new recipes: + 3000 health/magicka/stamina).

I'm just asking since we don't know which ingredients will disappear.
If f.e. oats would disappear but all the food where oats are currently used for would still be valid plus having increased buffs after update 6, then I'd just go and cook away the whole stack I have left, before update 6 makes them useless. Same with any other ingredient.


(Sorry for my English today, I hope it's understandable somehow.)

OrphanHelgen

Sell your food ingredient while you still can

Nightreaver

Starting to wonder if the people who consider these changes a slap in the face have actually leveled Provisioning

MercutioElessar wrote: »

Hm, no I don't have insider info. I think it's one of the worst decisions ever since it ruins variety.

What variety would it ruin exactly?
As I've said, my understanding is that they will be doing away with Alliance specific mats. You could get rid of all alliance specific mats and still have the same variety of recipes.
For example, all recipes from level one through 35 have both a common ingredient and an Alliance ingredient. So take any random recipe, the level 30 Drink for example that provides +8 Magicka Regen. There are 3 identical recipes (one for each Alliance) that all do exactly the same thing but each requiring ingredients only found in its own Alliance zones.
Heather Mead = Lado Grapes + Desert Heather
River Madiera = Lado Grapes + River Grapes
Cane Mead = Lado Grapes + Molasses
Up until now it has been a real pain for leveling Provisioners. You buy or are given a recipe to use to level and spend hours searching containers for the needed ingredients only to learn that the ingredient you need is only found in an Alliance zone you don't have access to.

So imagine if they remove the Alliance specific ingredients (in this case Desert Heather, River Grapes and Molasses). Everyone (regardless of Alliance) can make the same recipe (so you've lost no variety) but you've freed up 3 more inventory slots. Now multiply that by the number of different recipes from level 1 through level 35. That's a lot of freed up inventory while giving up nothing. That recipe you managed to acquire from a different Alliance can now be used with ingredients available to you. Win / Win.

Since I doubt most people keep a large inventory of low level ingredients from other Alliances I doubt anyone will be hit real hard in their inventory. And for Master Crafters (read Hoarders) who are spending thousands of gold for a single Inventory slot, the freed up slots will be much better compensation than any montetary compensation that low level mats would bring.

Nestor wrote: »

We already have Stale Radishes now, so what's going to happen to them? They get Moldy?
What do Stale Radishes even get used for?

Stale items are food that can be eaten and provide stats. I believe Stale Radishes increase Max Health.
Ironically, Radishes were one of the ingredients I saw listed in one of the new VR10 recipes. Radishes that is, NOT Stale radishes before people start stocking up on them.

Gyudan

Nightreaver wrote: »

Ironically, Radishes were one of the ingredients I saw listed in one of the new VR10 recipes. Radishes that is, NOT Stale radishes before people start stocking up on them.

Too late.

All hail stale radish!

Lynnessa

Nestor wrote: »

We already have Stale Radishes now, so what's going to happen to them? They get Moldy?

What do Stale Radishes even get used for?

They are used as a common food.

Flaminir

Stale radish's are the equivalent of the wheels of cheese in Skyrim that some people hoarded.

Personally I always enclose a stale radish in every in game email I send and with everything I sell! A sort of mini free gift to my buyer

freespirit

Oh crap......

I think I'm gonna have to finally download the PTS......

The uncertainty is getting to me(not just with provisioning)

AoEnwyr

Oh well, I have an alt purely dedicated to hoarding ingredients for my provisioning. Guess it will force me to have a clean out

SantieClaws

The changes to provisioning were made partly to free up sapce and get rid of some ingredients - therefore something was always going to have to go. We will be able to cook fishies though and this one is very much looking forward to that!

Breg_Magol

Grunim wrote: »

But the last part that wasn't bolded was, "...and we'd like to include some way to offload them that provides value."

One can always sell the spoiled produce to the Argonian's ... who don't seem to notice the difference in the slightest! Just the other day I sold some questionable kwama eggs to an Argonian trader at an exorbitant price ... considering I'd been storing them since early access they were indubitably ripe!

Coatmagic

Changes don't bother me. What I am failing to get my head around here is V10 recipes...? Veteran 10 recipes. Um, have I been misunderstanding all the posts about veteran levels being done away with...? Are ZOS purposely making more work for themselves...? Meh, here's new veteral level food! Oh, nope, sorry, can't have that, no more veteral levels... WTH?? LOL

AlexDougherty

Gyudan wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Sorry, a panic wasn't my intention

(added the missing emote)

Seriously though, it would be great if the most "precious" materials didn't suddenly become useless when update 6 hits.
For example, if only one upgrade material to purple food remains (let's say only tomatoes survive), pepper and oats could be turned into tomatoes instead of becoming stale pepper and stale oats.

I really wasn't trying to start a panic, I just thought it should be pointed out, so people could think about it and plan.

But yeah, having ingredients go bad is a bit of a shocker, only a bit mind.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Provisioning has been great from the start and i would like it to stay as it is.

Only thing wrong is the players, hoarding tons of ingredients for all possible recipes.. All we really need is couple recipes that a character really uses, nothing more..

Yeah, I only store what I plan to use in the future (redwheat, garlic, pepper, salt and wild honey) (for different recipes obv), so it's not a huge deal for me, but I thought that it would be a horrible shock if you weren't expecting it.

AlexDougherty

Raygee wrote: »

I'm still wondering, what would happen if I would use up all my ingredients for food now, will this food still be there and consumable after that update? Of what I understood, it's just the ingredients that go stale (or did I misunderstand this?).

Also, would this "old" food/recipes have increased buffs after update 6 like the newer stuff will have, like 10x higher? Not that I'd go cooking stacks of food just to see that the buffs are still the same after the update (example: current food: +300 health/magicka/stamina; update 6 food with new recipes: + 3000 health/magicka/stamina).

I'm just asking since we don't know which ingredients will disappear.
If f.e. oats would disappear but all the food where oats are currently used for would still be valid plus having increased buffs after update 6, then I'd just go and cook away the whole stack I have left, before update 6 makes them useless. Same with any other ingredient.

(Sorry for my English today, I hope it's understandable somehow.)

Your English is fine!

But yes, this is my understanding too, and what I will probably end up doing.

I_killed_Vivec

reapersloveb16_ESO wrote: »

Changes don't bother me. What I am failing to get my head around here is V10 recipes...? Veteran 10 recipes. Um, have I been misunderstanding all the posts about veteran levels being done away with...? Are ZOS purposely making more work for themselves...? Meh, here's new veteral level food! Oh, nope, sorry, can't have that, no more veteral levels... WTH?? LOL

I wondered about that too - the distinction will (should?) be gone at 1.7.

Though ZOS clearly have a lot of work on their hands working out how crafting will work in a meaningful way in a post-VR world.

They did promise that crafting would always give the best items...

Cuyler

Can wait to see these changes before I speculate on what to do with the stockpiles in my warehouse. =]

bertenburnyb16_ESO

WTS tomatoes

Stonesthrow

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

WTS tomatoes

Tomatoes were listed in the new recipe they showed on ESO LIVE, as well as Saltrice.

Personally saving all spices and additives (pepper, salt, tomatoes, oats, etc…) and keeping at least one stack of each of the common mixers (saltrice, broth, all flours, etc…). Pretty sure all the alliance matts go bye bye, so mailed all stacks for bounce back with a friend (just in case going stale means they become priceless, ha!).

Also made a few stacks of blues and purps to see what happens to them.

And getting my butt on PTS of course to see if I'm even close.