Lethal Arrow. The new I win.

NadiusMaximus · January 2015

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this rang..... Splat. ..."

miahq · January 2015

Redlag wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

All I see is a broken player, not a broken game.

1. Try using impen on your armour for a start.
2. When you HEAR the whistle, use block. Sword and board block fine
3. When you HEAR the whistle, roll. How hard is that? Others seem to do it.
4. ANY class can use heavy's immoveable skill, or mediums armour skill for the dodge %

Seriously, as an NB you should know better how to counter lethal. The whistle it gives you is very audible and clear, and you get shot twice with it.

Sorry, blame is on your playing style being broken, thats on you for for dying not the game being broken.

P.S. No, I'm not ten years old.

1)I see illiterate I already stated Im using impen.
2)in keep sieges Im partaking. Im using stamina. When I run out doesn't mean you get to hit for 1800 at will.
3) basically 2 repeated.
4) I use immovable somehow it doesn't stop damage it keeps me from getting stunned.

Overall.. You keep talking but I cant hear a reason why anyone should do 1800 damage and then 1000k damage.. YOu cant defend this. If you even try, it only show how lousy of a person you are. Im sorry you had tough times in video games. It does not mean you should get easy kills, ever. It means you should learn to play. NOT ME. I know how to play. This damage is over the edge off the wall.

I'll give you 15 minutes to sit in your closet and ponder some sort of reply.. In the end. ZoS knows they have to fix this. You're, I don't know. So bad that you want this to stay this way so you can actually kill people?

How about this for a reply

1) the amount of impen you say you're using isn't going to stop the crit on that attack, that's just basic. Or as some people have pointed out, it's poison damage, so why not try poison resistance?

2) manage your stamina better. And is this really what happened, you were completely out of stamina? Or are you just trying to make a point?

3) immovable gives you increased armor and resistance, no one ever said it makes you immune to getting hit by arrows. It reduces damage. So if you're going to mock someone, maybe you should get it right.

4) try not to be so condescending to everyone who disagrees with you and maybe people won't be so hostile. Then again, you're just here to complain it's not fair someone can kill you in two hits from a stealthed attack and tell everyone how stupid they are. Well, get over it. That's my advice.

Not everything you find inconvenient is broken. The only real exploit is the same one everyone has been using since the beginning, and that's animation canceling, which zos doesn't seem to care about so good luck with that. Or maybe it's just because they're too busy nerfing every skill people come on here to complain about being too hard.

themizario · January 2015

Dupe

cazlonb16_ESO · January 2015

Death recap showed a 2.4k hit labeled heavy attack with the Poison Injection icon yesterday, that's on a VR14 Templar with full impen equip...What was that about

Lethal Arrow usually hits in the 400-600 range.

DDuke · January 2015

Lethal Arrow is the worst skill you can spam in PvP as stamina build.
It is easily countered & it leaves you vulnerable to enemy attacks, since you cant dodge or block while casting it.

The only time Lethal Arrow is decent, is when you're sniping with 3+ other people (because that's how many it takes these days, when one decent archer used to be sufficient) to pack up enough damage to kill an opponent before he can react.
It has kind of become the new "Impulse zerg". "Good" in numbers, useless alone.

Snipe (and its morphs) used to be good (pre 1.5 stealth damage nerf), now they are garbage and it makes me laugh baddies are still actually complaining about it.

Newsflash: if three people hit you simultaneously, it does not matter whether you get hit by Snipe, Crystal Frags or any other skill, odds are you will die.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

No more of an I win than spamming bat swarms, Impulse, wall of elements, fire ring I could on and on things I see on my death count from time to time, some one got a lucky crit I get shot with lethal arrow all the time have not seen one for over a thousand points in a long time. Just an unlucky shot for you that day is all.

miahq · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Lethal Arrow is the worst skill you can spam in PvP as stamina build.
It is easily countered & it leaves you vulnerable to enemy attacks, since you cant dodge or block while casting it.

The only time Lethal Arrow is decent, is when you're sniping with 3+ other people (because that's how many it takes these days, when one decent archer used to be sufficient) to pack up enough damage to kill an opponent before he can react.
It has kind of become the new "Impulse zerg". "Good" in numbers, useless alone.

Snipe (and its morphs) used to be good (pre 1.5 stealth damage nerf), now they are garbage and it makes me laugh baddies are still actually complaining about it.

Newsflash: if three people hit you simultaneously, it does not matter whether you get hit by Snipe, Crystal Frags or any other skill, odds are you will die.

Yeah, those nerfs on the damage to me were garbage, the fact you need several people hitting with high damaged stealthed attacks at once to kill one person. Games where it takes 20-30 hits to kill anyone are boring, it's part of the reason I've not played many other MMOs. Maybe if you're a tank you should be able to survive 2-3 arrows like that, or if you've crazy poison resis, etc. but most people should be dead after 1-2 arrows.

People just need to stop complaining how everything is unfair and it's not enough like WoW. And zos needs to stop placating them. Because if they wanted to put any kind of restrictions on archers, maybe they should've thought about giving them actual arrows instead, instead of just cutting down the damage until it does nothing.

They should be removing more of the traditional mmo conventions, not adding more. But a lot of the changes they've made in response to all the whining have been exactly in that direction, less elder scrolls more MMO.

HeroOfNone · January 2015

As a DK bow user I fully disapprove of this post. We can fire just as many if not better lethal arrows as nightblades, plus we havery the reflection abilities to survive a counter snipe.

Also part of your issue is you do not have enough impenetrable on your belt and pants. You see, snipers always go for the crotch, knowing that their targets will go with something like infused or divines, because they think it looks sexy to others. Honestly it all looks the same.

Just don't get the exploration trait though, don't want folks think you'received a player who has been all over Tamriel.

Aeratus · January 2015

Impenetrable cannot negate stealth crit. Stealth crit always crits even if the attacker has 0% crit and the target has 80% impenetrable.

However, stealth crit only works against the back of the target. So never turn your back against bowmen.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · January 2015

This has literally never happened to me. Look into more impen armor. I have had several back to back to back to back lethal arrows hit me but I didn't die. Rolled a few times and cloaked til i got near where they are. Used spell power/detection potion, and proceeded to 4 shot them with my own spells. No bow used or needed. IF they used marked target or something purge or just find cover and wait it out. If you are on horseback and are getting knocked off your horse (which most anyone is screwed if this happens) try not to drain all your horses stamina so much and be ready tp immediatly jump off your horse if your are attacked,

WhiskyBob · January 2015

How about Sorcerers that can blink from one keep to another and still have mana for purge and some attacks?

How about that lightning staff heavy attack that kills you in one hit? I got hit with lightning attack for 3.9k (all my hp) but addon recorded 43k damage?

The_Death_Princess · January 2015

Actually, that example is of a VERY dam good player (I think its one). I NEVER die to lethal arrows like that, I DO NOT use any Inpenetrable - because ALL of you have the math wrong its NOT 1 to 10 ratio as wrongly posted on the net.

It comes down to skill and reaction time off your build. You have to be on alert and react.

I tested this THOUROUGHLY to see whats up between lethal and aimed.

Two things about lethal that ZENIMAX you must take care of:

1 - its initial hit is to high. Should be at least 2/3 of that amount with the dot effect.

2- The lethal arrow exploit. This is what most get angry about it kills you in under 2 seconds or so Any time you see some ones name with 3,4,5 lethal arrows in a row and NO other attacks - not like this SS - THAT is an EXPLOITER! Turn their butt in! I have tried everything legit to emulate that and it cant be done with weaving, canceling or anything.

apostate9 · January 2015

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah don't worry, Snipe got Nerfed on the PTS and they are nerfing overall sneak attack damage as well.. fun stuff , yeah that was Sarcasm..

Snipe is NOT nerfed on PTS lol.... Just because they reduced sneak dmg and lowered snipe dmg by 5% doesnt mean its nerfed... they also dereased the cast time of snipe from 1.8 to 1.0

You realize the reduction in stats is pretty much the very definition of "nerf"...right?

cazlonb16_ESO · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Lethal Arrow is the worst skill you can spam in PvP as stamina build.
It is easily countered & it leaves you vulnerable to enemy attacks, since you cant dodge or block while casting it.

That may apply to 1vs1, but certainly not to sieges and general xvsx. The increased range is literally a life saver, especially for stamina builds.

miahq · January 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Lethal Arrow is the worst skill you can spam in PvP as stamina build.
It is easily countered & it leaves you vulnerable to enemy attacks, since you cant dodge or block while casting it.

That may apply to 1vs1, but certainly not to sieges and general xvsx. The increased range is literally a life saver, especially for stamina builds.

Archers are made for siege warfare, especially in keep defense. I say keep sniping until people learn to keep their distance.

Perichor · January 2015

Archers are made for siege warfare, especially in keep defense. I say keep sniping until people learn to keep their distance. [/quote]

ok snipe wouldn't be bad if it was hitting for like 200
its hitting for over 1.5 consistently
so its not that players not using snipe should learn but maybe
those players using snipe should feel ashamed for using a stupid skill like snipe
and maybe zos should fix this @$#% already
and if you use snipe and think your good because you run around all day pew pew pewing at better players while your standing 10000 meters away doing
1...1....1.....1....1.....1.....1....1.....1....1.....1.....1....1.....1....1....1.....1....1
THEN HAHAHAHAHAH
heres some advice

DO NOT

think your a better player anyone
using snipe=BAD player
the only reason anyone should use snipe
is if friendly fire is ON
and there is some way to aim at yourself
thats the only way i could see snipe being useful

and "until people learn to keep their distance" HAHAHAHAAH right sooooo i shouldnt siege a keep from the distance allowed by my own siege and i shouldnt actually siege at all because that will bring my defenses down giving you that 1 second you need to pump out 20000000 damage

hahahaha what a joke of a skill

miahq · January 2015

Perichor wrote: »

ok snipe wouldn't be bad if it was hitting for like 200
its hitting for over 1.5 consistently
so its not that players not using snipe should learn but maybe
those players using snipe should feel ashamed for using a stupid skill like snipe
and maybe zos should fix this @$#% already
and if you use snipe and think your good because you run around all day pew pew pewing at better players while your standing 10000 meters away doing
1...1....1.....1....1.....1.....1....1.....1....1.....1.....1....1.....1....1....1.....1....1
THEN HAHAHAHAHAH
heres some advice

DO NOT

think your a better player anyone
using snipe=BAD player
the only reason anyone should use snipe
is if friendly fire is ON
and there is some way to aim at yourself
thats the only way i could see snipe being useful

and "until people learn to keep their distance" HAHAHAHAAH right sooooo i shouldnt siege a keep from the distance allowed by my own siege and i shouldnt actually siege at all because that will bring my defenses down giving you that 1 second you need to pump out 20000000 damage

hahahaha what a joke of a skill

This is the longest, most rambling whiny rant I've seen yet. Get over it.

kijima · January 2015

Perichor, you need to talk to people from your own faction that don't find snipe a problem.

I use snipe, and I can tell you it's only hitting morons for 1.5K

Good players (that's if they aren't a DK using reflective scales) seem to get hit from anywhere between 400-600, how is that strong again?

Hitting someone for 400-600 with snipe, and that's if they haven't heard the arrow and rolled dodged out of the way isn't killing the game, it's just killing idiots who haven't learned how to combat one skill.

Leeric · January 2015

Its killed me a couple times, but its been awhile. I don't think its over powered though.
Most of those deaths were me going balls to the wall (literally balls on another factions keep wall lol) and not paying attention. But that was all me. I have a hybrid set that does decent for PVP and PVE so I don't stack all impen but I have a couple. As a light armor user I don't have to much of a problem. Its right there with anything else thats a decent skill.

Cody · January 2015

I survive these attempts on my life all the time.(try again Telel and Stacey all the others that try to gank me like this:D)) I wear all medium armor and not one piece has impenetrable: It's all well-fitted.

now if it lagged and caused you to get hit by 5+ arrows at once, then there is nothing you can do. But if it does not lag, and it hits you, you can fight it. CC break the first shot, roll, pop a health potions, roll again, find the archer,r charge them, then kill them.

Now I know what you could(notice I said COULD, not will. I already had someone call me a hypocrite in zone chat over them not reading what I typed, so I will point out everything I type from here on out) say in response to this:

"I don't have the stamina to do that, I am a magicka build"

My response to that; tough. That is your weakness.

Get the arena set so you can get reduced break free costs,Wear heavy armor to get reduced break free costs, wear some medium armor so you get reduced roll costs, stop sprinting with your horse at max speed thru the wilderness so you don't get dismounted on hit. Train yourself to re-act as soon as you get hit to roll or Cc break(whatever the case) and find the archer. If you see them about to use a snipe, use an interruption ability if you have one. Snipe is a channeled skill, and can be interrupted.

I wish you luck.

Perichor · January 2015

kijima wrote: »

Perichor, you need to talk to people from your own faction that don't find snipe a problem.

I use snipe, and I can tell you it's only hitting morons for 1.5K

Good players (that's if they aren't a DK using reflective scales) seem to get hit from anywhere between 400-600, how is that strong again?

Hitting someone for 400-600 with snipe, and that's if they haven't heard the arrow and rolled dodged out of the way isn't killing the game, it's just killing idiots who haven't learned how to combat one skill.

HAHA *** up ***

DDuke · January 2015

Perichor wrote: »

anyone who is half brain dead knows snipe is OP vamp was nerfed because it was OP streak was nerfed because it was OP SNIPE IS FUCKKKING OP anyone who says other wise is just a *** tard who uses snipe LOLOLOLOL

im not a bad player but when bad players kill good players because of stupid *** like snipe its *** infuriating

im sorry i have more to my rotation when im pvping other than 1...1.....1....1..1...1.....1....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.

standing 50 meters away with my GAY ASS BOW

*** you and *** everyone who uses snipe and defends that ***

I have a feeling your posts are going to get moderated, but let me try explain some things to you.

Snipe is not OP. In fact, it is pretty much garbage in 1v1 & 1vX situations (thanks to the stealth damage nerf). I'm considering taking it off my bar completely, given there's a heavy attack build with higher burst potential.
If you are getting killed by someone spamming Snipe, I would take a second to look at the mirror & think "what went wrong, how can I become a better player and avoid this in the future" (for the record, I've personally never died to a single snipe spammer).
(Incapacitate)->Lethal Arrow->Heavy Attack->Poison Injection actually kills people (although not nearly as well as it used to), and requires you to stand in range of your opponent.
Snipe only kills people when you're with 3-4 other "snipers", not unlike the AoE zergballs which aim to capitalize on having numerical advantage.
It does not matter whether you get hit by 5 Crystal Fragments or 5 Snipes, the damage difference is extremely small.

That said, I do think they should make other playstyles viable to further diversify from the current three viable playstyles: "healer tank dps", "Xv1 sniper" & "AoE zergball"

WillhelmBlack · January 2015

Would getting your health down with Balance and having the vampire low health dmg output passive give even more than 2200?