Lethal Arrow. The new I win.

ThisOnePosts · October 2014

*Snip*

I see people from all classes crying about something of another. Really, pathetic. PVPers are the biggest whiners. Bow, IS NOT the best DPS a NB can do. Oh you were walking between keeps.. or galloping.. oh so sorry, you should be given a special pass not to be ambushed and to travel in safety.... you know, like wartime encourages.

Again as I've stated elsewhere, I have leveled up each of the classes and there's pros and cons I like about each of them. But people taking to the forums over and over is getting tiresome in regards to PVP. Yes, I PVP plenty. However, it's shameful to say I do because of all you QQers.

This is why FPS games will always be more competitive than any MMO PVP could ever be, because of the cries for constant nerfing instead of encouraging people to learn the system better. *Snip*

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

CapuchinSeven · October 2014

ViciousWayz wrote: »

This is why FPS games will always be more competitive than any MMO PVP could ever be, because of the cries for constant nerfing instead of encouraging people to learn the system better. Sure once in a while, something legit comes up that should be nerfed but usually it's them changing the diapers of people who are straight up noobish.

Plenty of nerf and buff cries in FPS games dude, you're just not looking.

jelliedsoup · October 2014

Durham wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

Seriously people don't understand how specialized this kind of build is and how much is sacrificed to obtain these numbers. Your survivability becomes a joke, and you need to be very picky with target selection. If you shoot everything you'll die, too.

Im leveling a NB right now with the intent of running a Sniper build, but in the meantime my DK has been sniping and it's a challenge sometimes. Have to know when you can pursue and when it's time to run. Obviously GDB alleviates some of the survivability issue, but still nowhere near enough.

And hitting 2k+ is an extreme rarity. So far I've only done one 2k+ hit in PvP. Why are we trying to nerf one skill that has 50 different counters to it?

Mainly as zos is not a fan of stamina builds.

Well there are stamina buffs on the test server....

Until I see it in live, I'm sceptical.

kijima · October 2014

Rylana makes a good point, it's not an I win button, it's carefully making your build to be as weapon damage and stamina heavy as possible so you can get those big openers in, the downside is once you've burst down your opponent, the dust settles and they are still standing, you need to go into flight mode pretty quickly as you are pretty much defenseless.

AND the 1.5 patch will kill off any super quick arrow destruction builds. You wont be able to shoot lethal off, then while it's through the air hit mark target, heavy and venom to all hit at pretty much the same time, and of course stealth is getting a nerf.

This style of big opening build will be weaker when 1.5 rolls out.

jelliedsoup · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

Rylana makes a good point, it's not an I win button, it's carefully making your build to be as weapon damage and stamina heavy as possible so you can get those big openers in, the downside is once you've burst down your opponent, the dust settles and they are still standing, you need to go into flight mode pretty quickly as you are pretty much defenseless.

AND the 1.5 patch will kill off any super quick arrow destruction builds. You wont be able to shoot lethal off, then while it's through the air hit mark target, heavy and venom to all hit at pretty much the same time, and of course stealth is getting a nerf.

This style of big opening build will be weaker when 1.5 rolls out.

If that's the case those who play stealth mode builds may as well stop, once I'm discovered I'm pretty much dead. As stam has no healing, shielding etc.

GnatB · October 2014

Francescolg wrote: »

Usually, you meet 2 up to 5 bow users combined, sniping for 1500+. No chance to do anything

Sorry, but I'd be inclined to argue instant death should be the expected outcome if 5 people snipe you at once.

That said, are you sure it was even an NB that killed you?

Redlag · October 2014

My new high today is getting hit for an 1800 lethal arrow than a 1000k from the same guy (that's 5piece impen)... If ZoS thinks people won't cancel after everyone builds like that.. Their pot is strong.

Edit: and Im unlikely to forgive them for allowing it for over a week.

Zhoyzu · October 2014

i survive that *** on my alternate character that's level 42 currently.

Sorc dont die because dark conversion and streak, DKs dont die because OP, templars dont die because heals.

But god forbid a night blade gets a kill after struggling to go toe to toe with every other class.

Night blades are most definitely OP. Please nerf them into the ground further ZOS, Buff DKs while your at it. I hear they're weak.

Redlag · October 2014

Zhoyzu wrote: »

i survive that *** on my alternate character that's level 42 currently.

Sorc dont die because dark conversion and streak, DKs dont die because OP, templars dont die because heals.

But god forbid a night blade gets a kill after struggling to go toe to toe with every other class.

Night blades are most definitely OP. Please nerf them into the ground further ZOS, Buff DKs while your at it. I hear they're weak.

Just shutty... This isn't even a lrn2play issue. Its your bed time there's no defending this.. Bye.

ps.. I really do enjoy that you hyped it up like. Hate us the red headed step child. Youre level 42 survives that? Cause Im a VR14 NB. Your level 42 would have been dead on the first lethal arrow.

kijima · October 2014

You got killed by two lethal arrows? LOL

Pro tip: When you hear the whistle, put shields up, or you can use block or roll or... Plenty of things to do, you choosing not to do any of those things means you deserve to go boom.

My NB wishes there were more people like you in Cyrodiil.

Redlag · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

You got killed by two lethal arrows? LOL

Pro tip: When you hear the whistle, put shields up, or you can use block or roll or... Plenty of things to do, you choosing not to do any of those things means you deserve to go boom.

My NB wishes there were more people like you in Cyrodiil.

Hint I'm a board and sword night blade. You're daft. Am I suppose to infinitely just dodge roll? No need to pvp I will just dodge roll about all day. No need to use any abilities or fight anyone.. I should just dodge roll all day.

Creating a situation, imagining it in your mind as to make excuses for this.. Are you 10?

Look at the screenshot ^^ This = broken game.

Oh theres a multiplier wrong somewhere. Im getting hit with 700-800 critical charges.. 700-800 Flying Blades.. 1259 Heavy bow attacks. 915 light bow attacks. There's something miscalculated in this weeks update and its all associated with stamina.

kijima · October 2014

All I see is a broken player, not a broken game.

1. Try using impen on your armour for a start.
2. When you HEAR the whistle, use block. Sword and board block fine

3. When you HEAR the whistle, roll. How hard is that? Others seem to do it.
4. ANY class can use heavy's immoveable skill, or mediums armour skill for the dodge %

Seriously, as an NB you should know better how to counter lethal. The whistle it gives you is very audible and clear, and you get shot twice with it.

Sorry, blame is on your playing style being broken, thats on you for for dying not the game being broken.

P.S. No, I'm not ten years old.

Redlag · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

All I see is a broken player, not a broken game.

1. Try using impen on your armour for a start.
2. When you HEAR the whistle, use block. Sword and board block fine
3. When you HEAR the whistle, roll. How hard is that? Others seem to do it.
4. ANY class can use heavy's immoveable skill, or mediums armour skill for the dodge %

Seriously, as an NB you should know better how to counter lethal. The whistle it gives you is very audible and clear, and you get shot twice with it.

Sorry, blame is on your playing style being broken, thats on you for for dying not the game being broken.

P.S. No, I'm not ten years old.

1)I see illiterate I already stated Im using impen.
2)in keep sieges Im partaking. Im using stamina. When I run out doesn't mean you get to hit for 1800 at will.
3) basically 2 repeated.
4) I use immovable somehow it doesn't stop damage it keeps me from getting stunned.

Overall.. You keep talking but I cant hear a reason why anyone should do 1800 damage and then 1000k damage.. YOu cant defend this. If you even try, it only show how lousy of a person you are. Im sorry you had tough times in video games. It does not mean you should get easy kills, ever. It means you should learn to play. NOT ME. I know how to play. This damage is over the edge off the wall.

I'll give you 15 minutes to sit in your closet and ponder some sort of reply.. In the end. ZoS knows they have to fix this. You're, I don't know. So bad that you want this to stay this way so you can actually kill people?

xaraan · October 2014

Other classes can use bows (and as effectively) as a Nightblade. The bow build isn't even the best build for a NB.

It's unfortunate you can't talk to everyone without insulting them for disagreeing with you. I look forward to being called a lousy person.

kijima · October 2014

Lol, yeah I read you had 270 impen...That's 27%... so many lols. Most good bowman have their weapon crit at 50 or above. You don't have enough, but you've been told this already and wont listen.

When I said wear impen, I was referring to wearing more than the little that you've got, try 500 at least.

Pro Tip: Wear impen, and lots of it. 5 pieces would suffice.

As for LISTENING for the sound of a snipe attack, you should try it. You seem to be avoiding this fact, but what you should be avoiding is a snipe attack when you hear the whistle through the air of the arrow aimed for you. Everyone else has the same problem, but not everyone is dying from it. Why? because others that have asked the same question, have got a reply not unlike to the ones you've got.... block, roll, impen etc and now they have moved on as they have a defence for it. You not being able to do that shows that you don't know how to play the game.

Also, the death recap clearly says you got shot by two different people, I can almost see it now, up on a wall defending a keep (which is a prime target for an archer) and you get doubled teamed. LOL!

When a sorc is doing the purple hands miming thing, it means he is about to knock the stuffing out of you, so you get into a defensive of that attack. Snipe is no different.

I get sniped all the time, usually if I'm a wall defending I get hit, and can get hit twice in a row, and more times than not I've still got 50% HP left. Impen is your friend. I don't go boom as I wear a LOT of impen, most of it gold and the rest purple. When you hear a snipe attack, I also block or roll. It's not that hard.

Actually try it, you might be suprized.

P.S.

I hope you are not AD and I find you on the battlefield, I'll make sure I fill you full of arrows.

NadiusMaximus · October 2014

This is all pointless because of one thing. Lag. If I knew at the time I had been hit for 2k I'd heal, but the game lags a little, if you hadn't noticed, and by the time I notice the next four shots already hit and I'm dead as ***.
A lot of the grips about nerf and buff could be fixed by eliminating lag.
The systems against us.

Darthryan · October 2014

Redlag wrote: »

My new high today is getting hit for an 1800 lethal arrow than a 1000k from the same guy (that's 5piece impen)... If ZoS thinks people won't cancel after everyone builds like that.. Their pot is strong.

Edit: and Im unlikely to forgive them for allowing it for over a week.

Hahahaha dam noob. First you were hit by two different people. First for 1k not 1000k then you were marked for death by the other that's why he critted you for 1.8 k. You're a glass canon. High dps low health. If you want to live longer change your build.... but then you won't kill as fast. Or reroll dk and win.

One week? You poor boy. Go back and look at these forums about all the crap we have put up with.

Can I have your stuff? Oh wait nevermind I don't have enough bank space......

ExiledKhallisi · October 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

My new high today is getting hit for an 1800 lethal arrow than a 1000k from the same guy (that's 5piece impen)... If ZoS thinks people won't cancel after everyone builds like that.. Their pot is strong.

Edit: and Im unlikely to forgive them for allowing it for over a week.

Hahahaha dam noob. First you were hit by two different people. First for 1k not 1000k then you were marked for death by the other that's why he critted you for 1.8 k. You're a glass canon. High dps low health. If you want to live longer change your build.... but then you won't kill as fast. Or reroll dk and win.

One week? You poor boy. Go back and look at these forums about all the crap we have put up with.

Can I have your stuff? Oh wait nevermind I don't have enough bank space......

Not just mark for death can hit that hard..I hit for 2k all the time using lethal and I'm a sorc.

Never the less. Its a cheese build made specifically kill people off guard

PBpsy · October 2014

Redlag wrote: »

My new high today is getting hit for an 1800 lethal arrow than a 1000k from the same guy (that's 5piece impen)... If ZoS thinks people won't cancel after everyone builds like that.. Their pot is strong.

Edit: and Im unlikely to forgive them for allowing it for over a week.

It is clear from the death recap that it's your fault since you did not fully charged your heavy attacks.
Full Heavy attacks man all day all night that is how ZOS wants us to play always.

Honfold · October 2014

Redlag wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

You got killed by two lethal arrows? LOL

Pro tip: When you hear the whistle, put shields up, or you can use block or roll or... Plenty of things to do, you choosing not to do any of those things means you deserve to go boom.

My NB wishes there were more people like you in Cyrodiil.

Hint I'm a board and sword night blade. You're daft. Am I suppose to infinitely just dodge roll? No need to pvp I will just dodge roll about all day. No need to use any abilities or fight anyone.. I should just dodge roll all day.

Creating a situation, imagining it in your mind as to make excuses for this.. Are you 10?

Look at the screenshot ^^ This = broken game.

Oh theres a multiplier wrong somewhere. Im getting hit with 700-800 critical charges.. 700-800 Flying Blades.. 1259 Heavy bow attacks. 915 light bow attacks. There's something miscalculated in this weeks update and its all associated with stamina.

How many times are you hit by a 1800+ Lethal Arrow? Serious question, and answer honestly.

Then sit back and think about all those times you were hit with a 900-1100 Lethal Arrow, like the first one in that screen shot, you will realize that any lethal shot around 1800 is a rarity. You will also likely

CapuchinSeven · October 2014

Redlag wrote: »

My new high today is getting hit for an 1800 lethal arrow than a 1000k from the same guy (that's 5piece impen)... If ZoS thinks people won't cancel after everyone builds like that.. Their pot is strong.

Edit: and Im unlikely to forgive them for allowing it for over a week.

You get that your picture shows two different people right? So what you said is basically false.

Hells some of you must be just so bad I can't even lol about it, I destroy bow users, the only bow user that kills me is a leach that attacks while I'm already in combat and drained, and frankly I could say that about Sorc Shards or DK charges etc etc etc etc etc.

Cysapper · October 2014

lol I love how people complain and get classes nerfed cause they have no clue how anything works! First off impen does not negate every crit! There are a few abilities that auto crit, Critical charge from the 2h tree. Second is an attack from stealth impen doesn't block these. All Bow attacks are physical damage! If you run around in 7 light armor your going to take a ton of damage from these abilities. Your armor rating in full light armor is around 900 or so someone wearing full heavy is around 3K. so mix up your set and take less damage!

Rylana · October 2014

Pew pew kapow

Oh btw guys, the PTS changes wont be enough to stop this combo, already tested and checked out, strong bow builds are still going to kill anyone they kill now.

Add in the new toy of 2 hander lovin and youre just gonna have to get used to being ready for a three k to zero death in two seconds if youre just standing around mouth breathing.

Iduyenn · October 2014

I used to be an adventurer like you, than i took an arrow to tha face... yo...

themizario · January 2015

Just going to leave this here...

Saw a picture from a guldie who got hit with a heavy bow attack for 1500. They went back for revenge...same thing.

NadiusMaximus · January 2015

OMG. Ikr? Like gees man,

Lethal arrow this month,
Batswarm last,
Impulse month before,
Standard of might before that,
Silver shards was once op once,

It's like, once a month. . They make something just to be op..... Like a special or something. ... Like ice cream shops do.... Flavour DE LA month, if you will..
When did this start? Oh yeah, always ago.

miahq · January 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah don't worry, Snipe got Nerfed on the PTS and they are nerfing overall sneak attack damage as well.. fun stuff , yeah that was Sarcasm..

I thought all they did was cut the distance down to 35 from 40 and decrease the cast time from 3 to 2.5, did I miss something?

miahq · January 2015

Well regardless, try poison resistance?

timidobserver · January 2015

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

OMG. Ikr? Like gees man,

Lethal arrow this month,
Batswarm last,
Impulse month before,
Standard of might before that,
Silver shards was once op once,

It's like, once a month. . They make something just to be op..... Like a special or something. ... Like ice cream shops do.... Flavour DE LA month, if you will..
When did this start? Oh yeah, always ago.

Lethal Arrow is pretty strong right now and may need some balancing, but it doesn't begin to compare to the things you've listed. You're pretty much killing 1 person with lethal arrow. At which point, any other smart person in the area is going to immediately take evasive action(blocking, stealthing, running, charging, interrupting, ect.)

The items you've listed were/are capable of allowing a player to stand against and kill masses of other players.

miahq · January 2015

You ever see those movies where people are standing around then someone says something reassuring etc and suddenly a bullet hits him in the head? Everyone else goes for cover? Well that's you. You're the one who gets shot in the head so everyone else knows to take cover.