Feeling lied to

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · January 2015

I luv this game so don't get me wrong but i have a big problem. When i am promised with something i expect it to be fulfilled. i am referring to content updates, they said it would be every 6 weeks but that has not been the case. by the time update 6 comes out it may will be 15-16 weeks since update 5. why say something they knew would not be the case, which leads me to the updates that have already been, you see to me content is more zones or quests being added to the zones already there. adding grouping to dungeons and facial etc to a game that should have had these things from the start is not content, content also is not rehashing stuff already in the game to make it look like new, thats like dressing a swine in new clothes. what could so hard in adding quests to a game like the knights of the nine where you would have to travel the map doing things to achieve a goal. or giving already npc's in game a quest that would send you of looking for something or someone, sending you to a dungeon to find them, but it could be a random dungeon you would have to find. or even a trading quest that you would have to travel from city to city talking to random npc's trading goods. like i said i luv this game and have put in over a thousand hours but please zos keep ur word and give us new content not rehashed content already there.

Jaxsun · January 2015

I second this.

Hazadus76 · January 2015

Me too.

Jitterbug · January 2015

I am Spartacus

Rosveen · January 2015

I want it all and I want it now.

Rodario · January 2015

6 weeks per update was too ambitious. You can tell how rushed they were by the amount of stuff each update broke upon release.

I'd prefer they take their time with future updates and only release them once they've been thouroughly tested, as it appears they're doing now.

If we're only getting major updates every 2-4 months from now on, but those updates are less riddled with bugs than previously, I'm very content with that.

Sinbaar · January 2015

well...since there was holiday season, it is pretty okay, that they take their time..and the other updates were all in a timerange 5-7 weeks...
Plus Update 6 will have major changes, they need to do it really carefully. so let them have their time, so they can give us an amazing update

aco5712 · January 2015

1.6 is making this a new game. Its the holidays. Let them do it right, please let them do it right

yodased · January 2015

Striving to meet a self imposed deadline is commendable.

Anger stemming from a company not meeting self imposed non-critical deadline is interesting.

This isn't a Craglorn patch with some new dungeons and pretty lights. They are quite fully redoing every aspect of the game and how it interacts with each other.

This isn't really a patch, its more of a reset, so doing that in 15 weeks is pretty nice.

What is broken beyond what they 'fixed' is yet to be determined however.

Also, you have over 1,000 hours /played. That fact alone is completely mind blowing. lol.

You guys understand that there is only 6561 hours from when this game launched til right now.

So fully 1/6 of your time awake in the last 8-9 months has been playing ESO.

That isn't anything short of amazing to think that, you are clamoring for more, not the fact that you are spending more time in ESO than sleeping, but that there isn't enough of it to consume even more time.

The game, it seems, is alive and well.

Gyudan · January 2015

The Champion System is delaying everything. I hope that updates get a more steady pace again after 1.6.

Faulgor · January 2015

The thing is that they are currently working a lot on redesigning and improving existing systems after getting a lot of feedback during the first months, plus some of their work is too ambitious to put it out every 6 weeks. I don't think we can expect a new zone in that timeframe, and I'd rather see a good solid zone every 6 months with smaller updates and improvements inbetween than bite-sized areas every 6 weeks.

Frenkthevile · January 2015

Still waiting for the Imperial City since April 2014, T.T

ers101284b14_ESO · January 2015

Every 6 weeks was insanity and I fully support them to change it to every 12 Or longer if need be. This patch is also 2 patches in one.

Pathfinder · January 2015

Yeah, we were promised way more than we are getting:
LinkY

The Elder Scrolls Online will justify its monthly subscription fee through regular and significant updates, Bethesda vice president Pete Hines told GameSpot, defending the company's decision to require a traditional subscription for its upcoming massively multiplayer title.

Describing the traditional business model as a "value proposition," Hines said the company plans to use user subscriptions to help fund these regular updates.

"We feel pretty strongly about the support we're going to have for the game and what you're going to get for those dollars," Hines explained in response to a question of why The Elder Scrolls Online was not pursuing a free-to-play model. "We're also very confident in our ability to support it with content. And not content of the magnitude of, it's a new month, here's a new sword or here's a funny hat — but content that is real and significant and it feels like regular and consistent DLC releases."

Comparatively, a free-to-play model would limit the number of developers the company could afford to continue creating new content.

"We want to do the version that we think is the best game and the coolest experience," Hines continued. "And that means putting a lot of people and a lot of content creators towards having stuff that comes our regularly; every four weeks, five weeks, six weeks. Big new stuff that you want to do."

Gidorick · January 2015

I agree.... but didn't want to be the one to make this thread because I'm in the "I'd rather they do it right" camp.

But the fact is, they justified the $15 a month with the 4-6 weeks DLC quality content updates.

Also, We don't need each update to be as robust as they've been. I would be perfectly happy with something like:

Update 1.7: (4 weeks after 1.6)
Champion System Fully Implemented
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs

Update 1.8: (5 weeks later)
Justice system PVP enabled
ability to dye weapons and shields added

Update 1.9: (4 weeks later)
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs
First person horse riding implemented

Update 2.0: (6 weeks later)
Murkmire released

Update 2.1: (4 weeks later)
10 new emotes released
Inventory Bag system implemented

Update 2.2: (5 weeks later)
New Horse mount released
horse racing implemented

A modest schedule like this that gives us new content regularly is what I'd like to see. A lot of the updates we've been getting are fixes updates, and we need those, but at some point ESO needs more forward momentum. Hopefully 1.6 gives it that forward boost.

OrangeTheCat · January 2015

You've put in "over a thousand hours"? Then you have bigger problems than the frequency of content updates. Or did you just pull that number out of your arse to make a point?

SLy_Kyti · January 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I agree.... but didn't want to be the one to make this thread because I'm in the "I'd rather they do it right" camp.

But the fact is, they justified the $15 a month with the 4-6 weeks DLC quality content updates.

Also, We don't need each update to be as robust as they've been. I would be perfectly happy with something like:

Update 1.7: (4 weeks after 1.6)
Champion System Fully Implemented
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs

Update 1.8: (5 weeks later)
Justice system PVP enabled
ability to dye weapons and shields added

Update 1.9: (4 weeks later)
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs
First person horse riding implemented

Update 2.0: (6 weeks later)
Murkmire released

Update 2.1: (4 weeks later)
10 new emotes released
Inventory Bag system implemented

Update 2.2: (5 weeks later)
New Horse mount released
horse racing implemented

A modest schedule like this that gives us new content regularly is what I'd like to see. A lot of the updates we've been getting are fixes updates, and we need those, but at some point ESO needs more forward momentum. Hopefully 1.6 gives it that forward boost.

You are a glass half full person and that is commendable.
I am too. To a point. But like the OP said we've not been treated well in the past by ZOS and there is little to hope they've turned over a new leaf. Less yet to actively demonstrate so.

My thoughts to this subject are...

V1.6 will not be ready and fully functioning at release. Right? Hasn't been a release yet not buggy, unfair to plan otherwise. Likely it will be delayed again. Then released to pts ( to which I contribute but bugs are ignored when reported) some time later this month, delaying live release till February for fixes. I plan on reading lots of forum posts about how we should give them more time (another $15) to " get it right"...which they, ZOS will ignore anyway because the actual company release date would be ( guessing here) Feb 15 for live.Maybe. so cut to the chase, blah blah blah...
Functional v1.6. Feb/March. On live server
Functional ( but not bug free) release of completed Champion System- May.
Imperial city- June.
Console release July.
YMMV.

renton1x1x1 · January 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

I am Spartacus

release brian!!

also 1000 hours is about 40 days i think i have that on my main.

Cuyler · January 2015

This is a complete game overhaul and it's the holidays. It will more than likely go back to your regularly scheduled programming after update 6. Plus we're getting more than we normally would for the $15 bucks in this update.

A lot of players asked @ZOS to take their time and patch things right. The way I see it, they're listening and following through.

Wifeaggro13 · January 2015

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

I luv this game so don't get me wrong but i have a big problem. When i am promised with something i expect it to be fulfilled. i am referring to content updates, they said it would be every 6 weeks but that has not been the case. by the time update 6 comes out it may will be 15-16 weeks since update 5. why say something they knew would not be the case, which leads me to the updates that have already been, you see to me content is more zones or quests being added to the zones already there. adding grouping to dungeons and facial etc to a game that should have had these things from the start is not content, content also is not rehashing stuff already in the game to make it look like new, thats like dressing a swine in new clothes. what could so hard in adding quests to a game like the knights of the nine where you would have to travel the map doing things to achieve a goal. or giving already npc's in game a quest that would send you of looking for something or someone, sending you to a dungeon to find them, but it could be a random dungeon you would have to find. or even a trading quest that you would have to travel from city to city talking to random npc's trading goods. like i said i luv this game and have put in over a thousand hours but please zos keep ur word and give us new content not rehashed content already there.

While i will give them a six week pass due to the holidays. 1.6 by all rights and respects should have hit test in Dec.

All i can say is hope they have the guilds incoming soon . Before this game launched they promised the Would soon follow. many people bought the game thinking they would be in by the third or fourth content patch.

Gidorick · January 2015

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I agree.... but didn't want to be the one to make this thread because I'm in the "I'd rather they do it right" camp.

But the fact is, they justified the $15 a month with the 4-6 weeks DLC quality content updates.

Also, We don't need each update to be as robust as they've been. I would be perfectly happy with something like:

Update 1.7: (4 weeks after 1.6)
Champion System Fully Implemented
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs

Update 1.8: (5 weeks later)
Justice system PVP enabled
ability to dye weapons and shields added

Update 1.9: (4 weeks later)
3 zones (one in each faction) have sitable chairs
First person horse riding implemented

Update 2.0: (6 weeks later)
Murkmire released

Update 2.1: (4 weeks later)
10 new emotes released
Inventory Bag system implemented

Update 2.2: (5 weeks later)
New Horse mount released
horse racing implemented

A modest schedule like this that gives us new content regularly is what I'd like to see. A lot of the updates we've been getting are fixes updates, and we need those, but at some point ESO needs more forward momentum. Hopefully 1.6 gives it that forward boost.

You are a glass half full person and that is commendable.
I am too. To a point. But like the OP said we've not been treated well in the past by ZOS and there is little to hope they've turned over a new leaf. Less yet to actively demonstrate so.

My thoughts to this subject are...

V1.6 will not be ready and fully functioning at release. Right? Hasn't been a release yet not buggy, unfair to plan otherwise. Likely it will be delayed again. Then released to pts ( to which I contribute but bugs are ignored when reported) some time later this month, delaying live release till February for fixes. I plan on reading lots of forum posts about how we should give them more time (another $15) to " get it right"...which they, ZOS will ignore anyway because the actual company release date would be ( guessing here) Feb 15 for live.Maybe. so cut to the chase, blah blah blah...
Functional v1.6. Feb/March. On live server
Functional ( but not bug free) release of completed Champion System- May.
Imperial city- June.
Console release July.
YMMV.

Yea. Your thoughts are MUCH more realistic than mine. My main point is they try to release too much at once. The champion system AND the justice system in one update seems... I dunno... reckless. If they released less each update they wouldn't have to use the subsequent update to fix issues. Update 1.5 was a "fix" update. Nothing new. So it's really like 4 months between updates. I don't consider 1.5 to have been an update... It was more a patch.

SLy_Kyti · January 2015

While i will give them a six week pass due to the holidays. 1.6 by all rights and respects should have hit test in Dec.

All i can say is hope they have the guilds incoming soon . Before this game launched they promised the Would soon follow. many people bought the game thinking they would be in by the third or fourth content patch.

I' m still waiting for things that WERE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN a patch nearly a year ago ( apologies for shouting in frustration): Stacking Seige weapons. forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128941/stacking-siege-or-stacking-runes-but-not-oil

Ourorboros · January 2015

Which would you rather, a stable and playable game or new unplayable content. Even at 1000 hours played there are likely things left to do. If you don't want to do them, maybe take a break with another game and comeback after 1.6 release.
Even though the goal was new content every 4-6 weeks, I'm sure TOS carries an escape clause from this. And reality and goals often fail to meet.
As for me, I'd rather have a stable game than new unplayable content.

Morshire · January 2015

Wow, these debates are still raging onward. Just curious about something here. In every post I have read on this subject (ZOS not sticking to "promises") everyone either says, "I am mad and feeling lied to" or "It is okay, they will fix it". So if you are in the mad / frustrated / hurt / whatever column - I am with you. For those that do not care -
IF when you went to the store and bought a new TV, got it home, and it didn't work. Would you hold it till they could "fix it" or would you take it back?
So we pay $15 a month for a service, we are not getting it, and we are up in arms. Because you don't take gaming as serious as your TV, it is okay? Gamers game. Whether you do it to relax is what you do. 1000 hours doesn't make them "Irrelevant" or needing a life. How many hours do you spend with your hobbies? What makes knitting any less a waste of time? (Go tell someone's mom or grandma what a waste it is and watch what happens) Or because gamers don't spend weekends playing softball for bragging rights. Are you up in arms over competitive kids football? (Now that is a waste of time) but parents spend almost all their time running kids around that can't even keep their heads up cause the helmets weigh too much. So since gamers spend their time gaming (hence the name) and their competition is the game world they pay for, or the bragging rights is the leaderboards rather than the bar, or the money is spent on a game not "real" things, people can even still try and justify their stance. This blows me away. We are customers and we are mad about the service we pay for being less than what it is when we agreed to buy the service. Period.

And before you rip me up, I am a father of 4, with 6 grandkids. My wife knits for a hobby, and my only complaint with the guy/gal who has 1000 hours for gaming - you lucky F****. Wish I could.

Lynnessa · January 2015

Morshire wrote: »

What makes knitting any less a waste of time?

Hm, I'd say it's that knitting actually results in something real (as opposed to virtual or imaginary).

Csub · January 2015

Lynnessa wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

What makes knitting any less a waste of time?

Hm, I'd say it's that knitting actually results in something real (as opposed to virtual or imaginary).

Depends on how well you knit, if I tried, I would end up with frustrated and with no end product. :P

But it's funny how at earlier patches I always saw people writing "please take a few extra weeks if needed, just make sure patches are more polished" (and I agree with them), and now some people are feeling lied to because they do take more time, especially around Christmas and new year. Yep, you cannot please everyone.

Aett_Thorn · January 2015

Morshire wrote: »

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Morshire,

While for the most part, I agree with you, there are certain times when I don't. The issue that the OP is talking about, for instance, is one where the Devs came out with a self-proclaimed goal. It was never really a promise, and so when they don't meet the goal (for a decent reason, it being the holidays and all and this being a very large patch), it makes very little sense to complain about it.

However, if the Devs DO come out and give us a solid promise, and then go back on it, I think that it makes sense to complain. The Champion System points are valid to complain about, because people asked them straight up if they should keep playing Vet characters or not, and they were told that they should. That is a problem, because many people completed non-repeatable content that they like doing only to find out that they shouldn't have.

The Devs themselves are in a situation to know when something is final or not, and should keep it in mind when talking to players. Players, on the other hand, should not take words out of context and attribute "promises" where none was made.

Marthenil · January 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rE

Compared to other MMOs, content has been coming out in a very good pace so far. The issue is if they manage to keep it up.

Lynnessa · January 2015

I agree with @Aett_Thorn‌ . Well said.

Lynnessa · January 2015

Csub wrote: »

Lynnessa wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

What makes knitting any less a waste of time?

Hm, I'd say it's that knitting actually results in something real (as opposed to virtual or imaginary).

Depends on how well you knit, if I tried, I would end up with frustrated and with no end product. :P

Luckily for you, you needn't knit for fun--you can play ESO!

Morshire · January 2015

I will leave the other comments alone, since look how mad they got over knitting.

@Aett_Thorn - I do agree that I want the content "solid" and wouldn't mind waiting. However, they are justifying my $15 a month and not delivering. So do I get a free month for the delay? How about another pet for them not sticking to their end? (Sarcastic, just saying something) I think that is the issue. Add the CP thing, or the Undaunted quest line, or (insert your favorite grip). And the whole "promise" thing is in quotes cause that is how it is recognized. But I did this for someone else and if you really need help with it, look up synonym for promise. (Need to point out, last comment not directed at you Aett_Thorn, it is for others reading) From a companies stand point, if you say you will do X, and do not, then what do you give the customer for not delivering? (Pay for a puppy, get a cat and a free bag of food - another sarcastic example) That is how this conversation should be viewed. People won't see the value of the conversation if it is continued to be "just a game", but take it for what it is....I have been a customer since April. $80 Imperial package + $15 a month sub * 3 (8*45 = $360) = $440. Now think of any complaint you want with this game, add in your "enjoyment" factor. Do you feel like a satisfied customer?

If we were talking about anything else you spent $440 on and it didn't deliver as promised, that "thing" would be back at the store and you would have a working "thing" or a refund. Period. And that my friends, is the argument at hand. (And before you hit on promise again - please look up the synonym so you sound like you are not just arguing for the fun of it)

Thank you @Aett_Thorn for not making me regret coming back to the forum. I am getting tired of the mudslinging. But having this forum to vent frustration to ZOS, or find like minded people to stand with you on something is a good thing. Even if it comes with trolling.