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Hypertionb14_ESO · December 2014

Draxys wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Where does it say "I Promise" to anything? I keep seeing people say they were promised these points for playing the game.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.

I cannot believe I am even defending this. "Promise" notice the quotes. It is statement. Synonyms for promise:
agreement / assurance / commitment / guarantee / obligation / pact / pledge / vow / word / affiance / affirmation / asseveration / avowal / betrothal / bond / compact / consent / contract / covenant / earnest / engagement / espousal /
insurance / marriage / oath / parole / pawn / plight / profession / security / stipulation / swear / swearing / token / troth / undertaking / warrant / warranty
promissory note / sacred word / word of honor

Pick one if it helps you understand better. ZOS said one thing and did another. Any court of law would agree. False advertisement. If the TV said you would get a free burger at X fast food spot if you showed up by noon. You get there at 11:30AM and they tell you, "Sorry, we are not doing that right now." You'd be up in arms and threatening lawsuit for false advertising. A court would agree. You'd get paid. (If you think that is not true, some guy just settled with Red Bull for millions because he drank it and didn't get wings )

Get over it and see this for what it is. Players are mad because they were "mislead". They paid their dues and they want what was "insert synonym for promise here".

And for the record, I have ONE V2. Don't even know what difference the CP make to me as I haven't gotten any time off work to even log in. This point is made because I am tired of the ignorance people continue to display.

"Mom - his toy is better than mine!" is not what is being discussed. Did ZOS mislead the players. YES. Should they make it right? YES. Will they make it right?---Chime in anytime ZOS.

Edited to add the original quote about "I Promise". WAIT, I promise to leave this alone if you just agree with me.

^

it occurs to me there is not one "promise" in the ZOS comments.

Not one.

EQBallzz · December 2014

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Where does it say "I Promise" to anything? I keep seeing people say they were promised these points for playing the game.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.

I cannot believe I am even defending this. "Promise" notice the quotes. It is statement. Synonyms for promise:
agreement / assurance / commitment / guarantee / obligation / pact / pledge / vow / word / affiance / affirmation / asseveration / avowal / betrothal / bond / compact / consent / contract / covenant / earnest / engagement / espousal /
insurance / marriage / oath / parole / pawn / plight / profession / security / stipulation / swear / swearing / token / troth / undertaking / warrant / warranty
promissory note / sacred word / word of honor

Pick one if it helps you understand better. ZOS said one thing and did another. Any court of law would agree. False advertisement. If the TV said you would get a free burger at X fast food spot if you showed up by noon. You get there at 11:30AM and they tell you, "Sorry, we are not doing that right now." You'd be up in arms and threatening lawsuit for false advertising. A court would agree. You'd get paid. (If you think that is not true, some guy just settled with Red Bull for millions because he drank it and didn't get wings )

Get over it and see this for what it is. Players are mad because they were "mislead". They paid their dues and they want what was "insert synonym for promise here".

And for the record, I have ONE V2. Don't even know what difference the CP make to me as I haven't gotten any time off work to even log in. This point is made because I am tired of the ignorance people continue to display.

"Mom - his toy is better than mine!" is not what is being discussed. Did ZOS mislead the players. YES. Should they make it right? YES. Will they make it right?---Chime in anytime ZOS.

Edited to add the original quote about "I Promise". WAIT, I promise to leave this alone if you just agree with me.

^

it occurs to me there is not one "promise" in the ZOS comments.

Not one.

Then you didn't read it. Look at my sig. Read it yourself. If you still don't believe it then you don't understand the word promise.

Xjcon · December 2014

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.

I can only speak for myself, but for me it isn't about being further ahead of new players or anyone else. It's about several other things that have been mentioned in this forum many times now. At this point, people who really can't understand what the problem is are a mystery to me.

Let me try to take it out of the context of this game and put it into a hypothetical context you might understand better. So you go to college or university and are ready to graduate. Then the school decides that your four years puts you too far ahead of new first-year students, so they do two things. First, they take away your four years of achievements and grades, and say you have to go back to first year. Second, they say they will award every student credit for one semester to make sure all grades are "balanced." How would you react?

Yes, this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates exactly what ZOS is doing to people who have played this game for, in my case, nearly 10 months. The principle illustrated by the hypothetical is exactly the same as what is happening in ESO.

I'm sorry you feel like you spent 8 months playing a game and think it compares to 4 years in college. If they were not totally redoing the mechanics of the game I would agree with all of you, but they are essential giving an expansion away for free, It Won't Take The players that have a firm grasp on the games mechanics that long to find some way to quickly jump out ahead of the fresh V1 players.

Averya_Teira · December 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.

I can only speak for myself, but for me it isn't about being further ahead of new players or anyone else. It's about several other things that have been mentioned in this forum many times now. At this point, people who really can't understand what the problem is are a mystery to me.

Let me try to take it out of the context of this game and put it into a hypothetical context you might understand better. So you go to college or university and are ready to graduate. Then the school decides that your four years puts you too far ahead of new first-year students, so they do two things. First, they take away your four years of achievements and grades, and say you have to go back to first year. Second, they say they will award every student credit for one semester to make sure all grades are "balanced." How would you react?

Yes, this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates exactly what ZOS is doing to people who have played this game for, in my case, nearly 10 months. The principle illustrated by the hypothetical is exactly the same as what is happening in ESO.

I'm sorry you feel like you spent 8 months playing a game and think it compares to 4 years in college. If they were not totally redoing the mechanics of the game I would agree with all of you, but they are essential giving an expansion away for free, It Won't Take The players that have a firm grasp on the games mechanics that long to find some way to quickly jump out ahead of the fresh V1 players.

It is in NO way the same as an expansion. You can compare it to an expansion like this :

WoW releases a new expansion up to level 110 (it's 100 right now with WoD), but doesn't put any quests up to the new cap. Find a way to level by yourself, scrub !

THIS is an accurate comparison to an Xpac...

EQBallzz · December 2014

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.

I can only speak for myself, but for me it isn't about being further ahead of new players or anyone else. It's about several other things that have been mentioned in this forum many times now. At this point, people who really can't understand what the problem is are a mystery to me.

Let me try to take it out of the context of this game and put it into a hypothetical context you might understand better. So you go to college or university and are ready to graduate. Then the school decides that your four years puts you too far ahead of new first-year students, so they do two things. First, they take away your four years of achievements and grades, and say you have to go back to first year. Second, they say they will award every student credit for one semester to make sure all grades are "balanced." How would you react?

Yes, this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates exactly what ZOS is doing to people who have played this game for, in my case, nearly 10 months. The principle illustrated by the hypothetical is exactly the same as what is happening in ESO.

I'm sorry you feel like you spent 8 months playing a game and think it compares to 4 years in college. If they were not totally redoing the mechanics of the game I would agree with all of you, but they are essential giving an expansion away for free, It Won't Take The players that have a firm grasp on the games mechanics that long to find some way to quickly jump out ahead of the fresh V1 players.

It is in NO way the same as an expansion. You can compare it to an expansion like this :

WoW releases a new expansion up to level 110 (it's 100 right now with WoD), but doesn't put any quests up to the new cap. Find a way to level by yourself, scrub !

THIS is an accurate comparison to an Xpac...

Actually, if you want to make that accurate you would give *some* of the players access to the quests to level up to the new cap but tell other players to level without them or just do dailies. This isn't even remotely like an expansion and anyone with half a brain would see that.

Breg_Magol · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

This communist "everyvody at the same [snip] level" regardless of your advancement just feels like a reset and it's Bullllll Crop.

While I understand some people are reacting to what appears to be the apportioning of experience as ZOS is (currently) going to implement ... the negative knee jerk reference to "communist" seems inappropriate.

Particularly as the "capitalist" system is also a flawed and failing system ... is it possible to keep politics out of this discussion?

Wolfenbelle · December 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

I'm sorry you feel like you spent 8 months playing a game and think it compares to 4 years in college. If they were not totally redoing the mechanics of the game I would agree with all of you, but they are essential giving an expansion away for free, It Won't Take The players that have a firm grasp on the games mechanics that long to find some way to quickly jump out ahead of the fresh V1 players.

I don't feel like spending (not 8 but) almost 10 months playing a game compares to 4 years of college. Instead, I gave a hypothetical to illustrate the principle involved in what ZOS is doing to many, if not most players who have spent a lot of time in this game. If you don't understand the difference between using a hypothetical to illustrate a principle versus actually comparing a game to 4 years of college, that explains why you see nothing wrong in what ZOS is doing.

I could have used an example from pretty much any part of real life, but selected that one because I gave people here credit for being able to understand the point.

Neryaz · December 2014

i agree with magnus. they have been pissing on the once that have been playing for a long time above vr 14 and is still playing. they basicly just flush us down the toilet.. tbh they should have told us to remove our subscription and to come back when 1.6 comes out. this is a rip off imo.

Xjcon · December 2014

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.

I can only speak for myself, but for me it isn't about being further ahead of new players or anyone else. It's about several other things that have been mentioned in this forum many times now. At this point, people who really can't understand what the problem is are a mystery to me.

Let me try to take it out of the context of this game and put it into a hypothetical context you might understand better. So you go to college or university and are ready to graduate. Then the school decides that your four years puts you too far ahead of new first-year students, so they do two things. First, they take away your four years of achievements and grades, and say you have to go back to first year. Second, they say they will award every student credit for one semester to make sure all grades are "balanced." How would you react?

Yes, this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates exactly what ZOS is doing to people who have played this game for, in my case, nearly 10 months. The principle illustrated by the hypothetical is exactly the same as what is happening in ESO.

I'm sorry you feel like you spent 8 months playing a game and think it compares to 4 years in college. If they were not totally redoing the mechanics of the game I would agree with all of you, but they are essential giving an expansion away for free, It Won't Take The players that have a firm grasp on the games mechanics that long to find some way to quickly jump out ahead of the fresh V1 players.

It is in NO way the same as an expansion. You can compare it to an expansion like this :

WoW releases a new expansion up to level 110 (it's 100 right now with WoD), but doesn't put any quests up to the new cap. Find a way to level by yourself, scrub !

THIS is an accurate comparison to an Xpac...

I won't have any problem leveling LOL... ZOS did not say anything about what they are going to do about quests or what they are going to add. You are jumping to conclusions.

Ninnghizhidda · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Hortator Mopa · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Welcome to the latest episode of the famous miniseries of: "Stop playing this game so much, being a loyal customer and giving us money since we will keep finding ways to [snip] you over".

After our first two successful episodes:

- New armor sets (1.3): When Zenimax skillfully changed all the most popular armor sets making most of them useless: If you had legendary armor that just became worthless: buck it .
- The Undaunted Noob Enhancer(1.5) : When someone thought it was a good idea not to award people for their Achievements in regards of undaunted skill line XP. Got all Achievements already? Can't level up the undaunted skill line? No problem braaa, you'll just have to do the dailies to get to max level while people who haven't done any achievement get it in two days. Because that's fairness

Zenimax Online Studios now brings to their prefered console beta testers:
-Champion points XP tracking? We lied, what you gonna do?

A delightful new episode in the series franchise where once again, people who trusted Zenimax, people who listened to the comunity managers, people who believe in fairness, get once again [sniped] in their [sniping] [snips] while noobs and people who don't play the game get special treatment and faster advancement possibilities.

You haven't been subbed to the game since day one? You have been cheating on TESO with other single player (yuck) games? You haven't been loging in every single day to play? The game has bored you so much that you haven't even reached max level in 8 months? FEAR NOT! The Zenimax commie machine is here to help you and give you outrageous advantages over the people who have been loyal to the game since beta, who have been playing non stop and who made the terrrrrrrrible mistake of believing Zenimax would ever implement a fair system in one of their game changing releases .

This new episode of the saga will be sure to contain legendary proportions of: epic rage, epic "we don't give a flying fart about our community" and most of all (but not the least) we will comment on your posts where you ask us questions we don't answer to tell you to ask those questions in a more Civil way.

Welcome to the latest episode of "The Elder Commies Online", where you don't need to work hard to be on the same level of people who do and if you do work hard, you don't get any reward out of it. Be sure to tell your friends about it .

=========================
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143784/champion-system-clarification

After reading what was stated above, the answer that has been burning the forums through the weekend has been answered:

As long as you have 1 char VR1 in your account, you will get credited 30CP. Nothing more, nothing less.

So this means that after lying to us in order to keep people playing the game instead of unsubing and waiting for Champion System, Zenimax has done it again, giving the middle finger to the people that have been the most invested in the game and favoring the people who haven't.

Thank you Zenimax for this Xmass present, just made my day.

It's not like you could have awarded points from 20 to 100, giving 20 to the players who had nothing (and don't even deserve those 20 points), and capping to 100 the number of points to give to people who listened to you and kept playing their VR characters so that they feel rewarded fo

Edit: To all the people wondering where ZOS said they would track the XP and reward accordingly:

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »

Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.

Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.

The only thing keeping me is the hope they get their **** together soon... If this was not a TES game I would be gone already...

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Audigy · December 2014

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Welcome to the latest episode of the famous miniseries of: "Stop playing this game so much, being a loyal customer and giving us money since we will keep finding ways to [snip] you over".

After our first two successful episodes:

- New armor sets (1.3): When Zenimax skillfully changed all the most popular armor sets making most of them useless: If you had legendary armor that just became worthless: buck it .
- The Undaunted Noob Enhancer(1.5) : When someone thought it was a good idea not to award people for their Achievements in regards of undaunted skill line XP. Got all Achievements already? Can't level up the undaunted skill line? No problem braaa, you'll just have to do the dailies to get to max level while people who haven't done any achievement get it in two days. Because that's fairness

Zenimax Online Studios now brings to their prefered console beta testers:
-Champion points XP tracking? We lied, what you gonna do?

A delightful new episode in the series franchise where once again, people who trusted Zenimax, people who listened to the comunity managers, people who believe in fairness, get once again [sniped] in their [sniping] [snips] while noobs and people who don't play the game get special treatment and faster advancement possibilities.

You haven't been subbed to the game since day one? You have been cheating on TESO with other single player (yuck) games? You haven't been loging in every single day to play? The game has bored you so much that you haven't even reached max level in 8 months? FEAR NOT! The Zenimax commie machine is here to help you and give you outrageous advantages over the people who have been loyal to the game since beta, who have been playing non stop and who made the terrrrrrrrible mistake of believing Zenimax would ever implement a fair system in one of their game changing releases .

This new episode of the saga will be sure to contain legendary proportions of: epic rage, epic "we don't give a flying fart about our community" and most of all (but not the least) we will comment on your posts where you ask us questions we don't answer to tell you to ask those questions in a more Civil way.

Welcome to the latest episode of "The Elder Commies Online", where you don't need to work hard to be on the same level of people who do and if you do work hard, you don't get any reward out of it. Be sure to tell your friends about it .

=========================
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143784/champion-system-clarification

After reading what was stated above, the answer that has been burning the forums through the weekend has been answered:

As long as you have 1 char VR1 in your account, you will get credited 30CP. Nothing more, nothing less.

So this means that after lying to us in order to keep people playing the game instead of unsubing and waiting for Champion System, Zenimax has done it again, giving the middle finger to the people that have been the most invested in the game and favoring the people who haven't.

Thank you Zenimax for this Xmass present, just made my day.

It's not like you could have awarded points from 20 to 100, giving 20 to the players who had nothing (and don't even deserve those 20 points), and capping to 100 the number of points to give to people who listened to you and kept playing their VR characters so that they feel rewarded fo

Edit: To all the people wondering where ZOS said they would track the XP and reward accordingly:

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »

Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.

Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.

The only thing keeping me is the hope they get their **** together soon... If this was not a TES game I would be gone already...

I apologize that I am a Casual and that my family, friends and RL activities are more important for me than an edge in a computer game. I also apologize that I am the reason why you are unhappy, even though I have done nothing to you, except having a decent RL with responsibilities and real people around me.

What I don't apologize for however is the fact that we are supposed to be greedy which we are not in the slightest. Not we Casuals want free stuff, its you Grinders that want. We are totally fine with either 30 CP or 0 CP, its you who wants more

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Guppet · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Its about getting how much you put it...

Right now its like this.... "You work for a base rate at a sales firm and get commission on each extra sale you do. Person (A) sells 1 unit and gets (30CP) and person (B) sells 10,000 units and gets (30CP). Instead person A should get a % of CP but not as much as person B..."

I understand that, heck I understood it days ago, but this is pretty much exactly what ZOS is saying isn't going to happen. So on that basis (30 CP or nothing) as I am one of the hated "casuals" I am saying that I would be much happier with 0 CP and less rage on the boards than 30 CP and a place where civil debate gets drowned.

I can't speak for others but if a more direct conversion is impossible then maybe a binary situation (0 or 30 CP) might be a way through.

Since the main complaint seems to be from people who've completed all quests (and apparently don't do any other content... what the hell have you guys been doing since you've done all the quests then?), they might be able to give out CPs based on the quests (converting the EXP rewards into CP) you've done. This should already be tracked, I think, seeing as a lot of stuff are based on what quests you've done.

It also has the benefit of laughing in the face of grinders.

That could work. Can I just ask why you hate grinders? I'm genuinely curious, it is their preferred play style. I do agree with you on most things though, but grinding can actually be quite relaxing if you get into s nice rhythm.

Guppet · December 2014

Kaliki wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Since the main complaint seems to be from people who've completed all quests (and apparently don't do any other content... what the hell have you guys been doing since you've done all the quests then?), they might be able to give out CPs based on the quests (converting the EXP rewards into CP) you've done. This should already be tracked, I think, seeing as a lot of stuff are based on what quests you've done.

It also has the benefit of laughing in the face of grinders.

I've been wiping in SO, I've been gathering Herbs for trials, doing an occasional undaunted pledge ...
I have not been playing as much as in the beginning though, and that is parr of the problem for me. They are erasing more than 2/3 of the xp I earned and expect me to do it all again. But I really don't want to level an alt and do everything again, why should I? It's a game and I want it to be fun and not repeat content all the time.

Seems to me that if wiping in SO awarded more xp (which im sure they could find a way to do), then you would be happier.

All the lost content that people have done can easily be replaced for the purposes of gaining new CP, if ZOS actually balances XP gains correctly, but people are just assuming they will get it wrong. We will now soon enough on the PTR, so at this stage it just seems that exercising a little patience may be prudent.

If when we know the gains they get the xp/cp gains wrong, then by all means feed that back to them massively, at that time.

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

Guppet wrote: »

All the lost content that people have done can easily be replaced for the purposes of gaining new CP, if ZOS actually balances XP gains correctly, but people are just assuming they will get it wrong.

To be fair I'm pretty sure they won't get it right, but unlike others who seem to be labouring under the delusion that ZoS will not touch EXP gain at all (thinking of the guy who insisted he's DOOMED because he PvPs), I believe they're on the right track and will get it right... eventually.

Kaliki · December 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Seems to me that if wiping in SO awarded more xp (which im sure they could find a way to do), then you would be happier.

No. This is like WoW players get reset to lvl 60 and are told they should level up again doing repeatable content over and over.
To me it's the extent of the reset and XP lost, something like this has never happened in any mmo and I cannot understand why ZOS could even come up with such a drastic decision.

If having a couple of hundred CP more than other players is game breaking the whole system is broken from the start. But it should be fine, with diminishing returns and the resting bonus...

TehMagnus · December 2014

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Most of the people playing since start have a vr14 char, which means they have been subed for longer. Moreover, people playing the most fill the game with their presence and make the game feel alive wereas the people who pay and don't play are just irrelevant and don't deserve to have free stuff they didn't work for.

If you can't grasp this concept, you're prolly just one of the persons hoping to get free stuff you don't deserve.

Guppet · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Most of the people playing since start have a vr14 char, which means they have been subed for longer. Moreover, people playing the most fill the game with their presence and make the game feel alive wereas the people who pay and don't play are just irrelevant and don't deserve to have free stuff they didn't work for.

If you can't grasp this concept, you're prolly just one of the persons hoping to get free stuff you don't deserve.

Those people you are belittling maybe have more RL responsibilities than you do, but as they pay the same they are just as valuable to ZOS.

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

you don't deserve.

I love it when people use the word "deserve" when talking about games.

(Although I've probably used it myself once or twice)

EQBallzz · December 2014

Guppet wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Most of the people playing since start have a vr14 char, which means they have been subed for longer. Moreover, people playing the most fill the game with their presence and make the game feel alive wereas the people who pay and don't play are just irrelevant and don't deserve to have free stuff they didn't work for.

If you can't grasp this concept, you're prolly just one of the persons hoping to get free stuff you don't deserve.

Those people you are belittling maybe have more RL responsibilities than you do, but as they pay the same they are just as valuable to ZOS.

You are right. They pay the same so ZOS should value them the same and therefor make everything equal. We don't want anyone who just started or levels slowly to feel bad about themselves so they should just take away progression entirely. No more XP at all. Every day everybody just gets 1 CP whether they play or not. No more trials, either. Just show up and zone into AA and the GMs can pin a blue ribbon on everyone so we can all be the trial winners tied for first on the leaderboards. PvP? How bout they just level everyone up to max AP? That way any new PvP'ers can adequately compete with those that spend all their time in Cyrodiil. Just let me know when this starts sounding ridiculous...

TehMagnus · December 2014

Guppet wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Most of the people playing since start have a vr14 char, which means they have been subed for longer. Moreover, people playing the most fill the game with their presence and make the game feel alive wereas the people who pay and don't play are just irrelevant and don't deserve to have free stuff they didn't work for.

If you can't grasp this concept, you're prolly just one of the persons hoping to get free stuff you don't deserve.

Those people you are belittling maybe have more RL responsibilities than you do, but as they pay the same they are just as valuable to ZOS.

I have a family, work 39h a week, work on a side project to get my business going and somehow still manage to be at the top of the competition in this game. Don't confuse time to play with skill.

DDuke · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

you don't deserve.

I love it when people use the word "deserve" when talking about games.

(Although I've probably used it myself once or twice)

I don't see a problem with that.

I find it perfectly ok that I don't "deserve" luxury yachts & sports cars like professional footballers (FYI football=game, in fact anything competitive=game), and there's no reason why same analogy shouldn't work on video games also.
If you don't put in same talent, effort & dedication as someone else, then you don't deserve as much as that person. Plain and simple.

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

DDuke wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

you don't deserve.

I love it when people use the word "deserve" when talking about games.

(Although I've probably used it myself once or twice)

I don't see a problem with that.

I find it perfectly ok that I don't "deserve" luxury yachts & sports cars like professional footballers (FYI football=game, in fact anything competitive=game), and there's no reason why same analogy shouldn't work on video games also.
If you don't put in same talent, effort & dedication as someone else, then you don't deserve as much as that person. Plain and simple.

IMO that analogy is itself pretty laughable, but that's just me.

Funny that society values footballers more than scientists.

Galto_KBC · December 2014

I have been playing ESO since launch. I have a VR1 and several 30+ toons and I have completed most of the content in all three starting areas. I am very disappointed in the group play and the completely ridiculous marketplace implementation. I purchased two imperial edition copies and have been paying for two subscriptions until today. This game is not worthy of being called an MMO - it is a single player game that costs way too much. I cancelled both subs today and I won't be back unless someone at Zenimax makes this game worth playing as an MMO. Very sad, as this is a beautiful game, but for $15/month it is an utter rip-off.

DDuke · December 2014

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

you don't deserve.

I love it when people use the word "deserve" when talking about games.

(Although I've probably used it myself once or twice)

I don't see a problem with that.

I find it perfectly ok that I don't "deserve" luxury yachts & sports cars like professional footballers (FYI football=game, in fact anything competitive=game), and there's no reason why same analogy shouldn't work on video games also.
If you don't put in same talent, effort & dedication as someone else, then you don't deserve as much as that person. Plain and simple.

IMO that analogy is itself pretty laughable, but that's just me.

Funny that society values footballers more than scientists.

So you find it unfair that those people who dedicate much of their lives on their passions get rewarded more than you? Or what do you mean by laughable?

Also, if you're good at a certain field of science, you can expect to get more recognition & rewards than people with "whatever" attitude.

Here is an interesting article touching on the competitivity of science: https://explorable.com/competition-in-science

Happy reading

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

DDuke wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

you don't deserve.

I love it when people use the word "deserve" when talking about games.

(Although I've probably used it myself once or twice)

I don't see a problem with that.

I find it perfectly ok that I don't "deserve" luxury yachts & sports cars like professional footballers (FYI football=game, in fact anything competitive=game), and there's no reason why same analogy shouldn't work on video games also.
If you don't put in same talent, effort & dedication as someone else, then you don't deserve as much as that person. Plain and simple.

IMO that analogy is itself pretty laughable, but that's just me.

Funny that society values footballers more than scientists.

So you find it unfair that those people who dedicate much of their lives on their passions get rewarded more than you? Or what do you mean by laughable?

Also, if you're good at a certain field of science, you can expect to get more recognition & rewards than people with "whatever" attitude.

Here is an interesting article touching on the competitivity of science: https://explorable.com/competition-in-science

Happy reading

Laughable as in footballers and celebrities are more appreciated by the masses than scientists and engineers who are doing the actual important work to keep humanity going.

Laughable that politicians are giving themselves payrises while cutting jobs in healthcare and science.

Of course it isn't fair. But it's also beside the point, I was merely pointing out the absurdity of your "analogy" in that apparently people who play games are more "deserving" of luxury items than people who work for the betterment of humanity.

"Deserving" isn't really a word that fits when we're talking about games, i.e. amusements, time-wasters, etc. Whether it be in real life or "virtual". Unfortunately it is used far too often without any sarcasm in both situations.

Rune_Relic · December 2014

So if you expended 1000 hours helping out a charity.
Would you expect to be reimbursed for your time ?

Sounds like you would demand recompense for such an effort.
I think of such people as the dregs of society.

ESO is not charity...nor is it a job.

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So if you expended 1000 hours helping out a charity.
Would you expect to be reimbursed for your time ?

Sounds like you would demand recompense for such an effort.
I think of such people as the dregs of society.

Deserving is not the same thing as demanding or wanting (which we're seeing a lot of in these forums). Hell yeah someone who volunteers for charity is more "deserving" of a luxury yacht than a football player. Whether they want it or not, or if they're expecting to get one from doing charity work (???), is irrelevant.

Guppet · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.

Edit: Oh and people who are casual gamers(and aren't VR14) don't care about being as powerful as raiders and would proly welcome the free CP points they don't even deserve, so I don't see how giving to each it's own would make people unhappy.

Just one very silly question, maybe I have misunderstood the whole way ESO works. In what way exactly someone who has 8 VR14 characters and doesn't even go for a p**s so not to lose a single second online, has paid the most money?

Are they required to pay double for their subs? I have been paying my own sub since launch, pre-ordered a very expensive physical copy way before launch, I am still subbed to this very day. And yet, I only login for a few minutes, and occasionally play a little bit my very "noob" lowbie characters (my 2 vet ones are "retired").

Yes, I am such a "horrible" ESO gamer, I should burn to ash. Yet, looks to me that ZoS has gotten the same money from me, if not more (and early on with pre-ordered copy and long sub).

I may dislike the game at its current state, but do you think ZoS "hate" someone like me? They get their money, even if I am not a very "loyal and satisfied" player, but hey, really... not "loyal"? How come someone is "loyal" and "worthy" just because they are online 24/7, for their own reasons (and why anyone should care about)?

These arguments are laughable at the very least. You have every right to be disgruntled with things, and I am too, but if you really think a popular game that could possibly have millions of players (and subs) is all about the "pro elitists", you just got something wrong in your book.

That is all, a personal opinion from a clueless "nobody noob" (that has been paying and thus supporting this game for 8 months now).

Most of the people playing since start have a vr14 char, which means they have been subed for longer. Moreover, people playing the most fill the game with their presence and make the game feel alive wereas the people who pay and don't play are just irrelevant and don't deserve to have free stuff they didn't work for.

If you can't grasp this concept, you're prolly just one of the persons hoping to get free stuff you don't deserve.

Those people you are belittling maybe have more RL responsibilities than you do, but as they pay the same they are just as valuable to ZOS.

I have a family, work 39h a week, work on a side project to get my business going and somehow still manage to be at the top of the competition in this game. Don't confuse time to play with skill.

Woah, your not supposed to reply, I was sure you had me on ignore lol. You said the more you play the more relavent you should be, the reality is that to ZOS all that matters is your 8.99 a month, heck if you don't play they don't need to have in game support for you, so your even more profitable.

Xjcon · December 2014

While some were mislead in too thinking that they were working at a goal of EXP that would carry over in to the new system, I find it laughable that this was taken so serious as to call false advertising and claim that they made a binding agreement. I do understand why so many are mad, you could have done what many did and logged off and canceled sub months ago while waiting for the new system.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]