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✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.
O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..
Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.
Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.
PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.
I would miss him
And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.
Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.
Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).
I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?
But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?
It was created on PC, and ruined on consoles
How it was dumbed down? Have some examples:
Level ScalingMorrowind: No scaling, you could actually die if you went to the wrong place at the wrong time. You could die if you pissed off the wrong person.
Oblivion: Level scaling introduced, dying becomes an impossibility.
Skyrim: Level scaling continues, dying continues to be an impossiblity.
ArmourMorrowind:- You can wear clothing beneath your armour
- Three armour types (light, medium, heavy)
- Armour can break, 9 armor slots
- Clothing beneath armour deemed too confusing for some people & gets removed
- Armour types down to 2 (light and heavy)
- Armour can still break
- Down to 6 armour slots because 9 pieces was too hard to count for people
- People still don't need clothes in the frozen wastes of Skyrim
- People are still trying to understand what is between light & heavy
- Armour is suddenly made of mysterious metal that never breaks
- Chest+Greaves = Pyjama, and we are down to 5 armour slots, because who wants to collect a lot of items in RPG right? That's difficult & time-consuming when you have to equip more things.
SkillsMorrowind:- 27 Skills
- 21 Skills, because some people couldn't count to 27
- Still too many numbers, lots of heads hurt by thinking. Skills down to 18
AttributesMorrowind:- Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Willpower, Agility, Charisma, Luck.
- Your character is still a normal being.
- You need no strength, no speed, no intelligence, no willpower, agility, charisma or luck. Who needs those things? You've got health! And you can run with stamina and cast spells with magicka! Who needs strength or intelligence huh? Certainly not people in a real world. You are DRAGONBORN!!
And there are so, so many more examples that I could fill this thread with 100 more pages of evidence, and if you try to argue "oh, that wasn't dumbing down, it was *insert excuse here*" you're only proving my point.
All speculation. I would like you to prove their intent. You're pointing out game changes and then saying that it was because of the console, but you fail to prove that these changes are because of console. Besides that, your opinion of how good or bad these changes are, is an opinion. So even if these were all because of console, and you think it ruined the original design, who really cares about what you think? You're just some guy QQ'ing on the internet. What if I said that you are ruining my forum experience? Do you think anyone cares? Games change. Deal with it.
You're right, I'm just some random person expressing my opinions on the internet. Aren't we all?
I certainly won't change the fact that human intelligence in general is declining.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on January 5, 2015 10:18PM8 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xMovingTarget wrote: »And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.
O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..
Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.
Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.
PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.
I would miss him
And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.
Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.
Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).
I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?
But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?
It was created on PC, and ruined on consoles
How it was dumbed down? Have some examples:
Level ScalingMorrowind: No scaling, you could actually die if you went to the wrong place at the wrong time. You could die if you pissed off the wrong person.
Oblivion: Level scaling introduced, dying becomes an impossibility.
Skyrim: Level scaling continues, dying continues to be an impossiblity.
ArmourMorrowind:- You can wear clothing beneath your armour
- Three armour types (light, medium, heavy)
- Armour can break, 9 armor slots
- Clothing beneath armour deemed too confusing for some people & gets removed
- Armour types down to 2 (light and heavy)
- Armour can still break
- Down to 6 armour slots because 9 pieces was too hard to count for people
- People still don't need clothes in the frozen wastes of Skyrim
- People are still trying to understand what is between light & heavy
- Armour is suddenly made of mysterious metal that never breaks
- Chest+Greaves = Pyjama, and we are down to 5 armour slots, because who wants to collect a lot of items in RPG right? That's difficult & time-consuming when you have to equip more things.
SkillsMorrowind:- 27 Skills
- 21 Skills, because some people couldn't count to 27
- Still too many numbers, lots of heads hurt by thinking. Skills down to 18
AttributesMorrowind:- Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Willpower, Agility, Charisma, Luck.
- Your character is still a normal being.
- You need no strength, no speed, no intelligence, no willpower, agility, charisma or luck. Who needs those things? You've got health! And you can run with stamina and cast spells with magicka! Who needs strength or intelligence huh? Certainly not people in a real world. You are DRAGONBORN!!
And there are so, so many more examples that I could fill this thread with 100 more pages of evidence, and if you try to argue "oh, that wasn't dumbing down, it was *insert excuse here*" you're only proving my point.
All speculation. I would like you to prove their intent. You're pointing out game changes and then saying that it was because of the console, but you fail to prove that these changes are because of console. Besides that, your opinion of how good or bad these changes are, is an opinion. So even if these were all because of console, and you think it ruined the original design, who really cares about what you think? You're just some guy QQ'ing on the internet. What if I said that you are ruining my forum experience? Do you think anyone cares? Games change. Deal with it.
You're right, I'm just some random person expressing my opinions on the internet. Aren't we all?
I certainly won't change the fact that human intelligence in general is declining.
Declining? You obviously don't know human history. The majority of people have always been stupid.
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭xMovingTarget wrote: »And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.
O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..
Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.
Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.
PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.
I would miss him
And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.
Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.
Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).
I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?
But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?
It was created on PC, and ruined on consoles
How it was dumbed down? Have some examples:
Level ScalingMorrowind: No scaling, you could actually die if you went to the wrong place at the wrong time. You could die if you pissed off the wrong person.
Oblivion: Level scaling introduced, dying becomes an impossibility.
Skyrim: Level scaling continues, dying continues to be an impossiblity.
ArmourMorrowind:- You can wear clothing beneath your armour
- Three armour types (light, medium, heavy)
- Armour can break, 9 armor slots
- Clothing beneath armour deemed too confusing for some people & gets removed
- Armour types down to 2 (light and heavy)
- Armour can still break
- Down to 6 armour slots because 9 pieces was too hard to count for people
- People still don't need clothes in the frozen wastes of Skyrim
- People are still trying to understand what is between light & heavy
- Armour is suddenly made of mysterious metal that never breaks
- Chest+Greaves = Pyjama, and we are down to 5 armour slots, because who wants to collect a lot of items in RPG right? That's difficult & time-consuming when you have to equip more things.
SkillsMorrowind:- 27 Skills
- 21 Skills, because some people couldn't count to 27
- Still too many numbers, lots of heads hurt by thinking. Skills down to 18
AttributesMorrowind:- Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Willpower, Agility, Charisma, Luck.
- Your character is still a normal being.
- You need no strength, no speed, no intelligence, no willpower, agility, charisma or luck. Who needs those things? You've got health! And you can run with stamina and cast spells with magicka! Who needs strength or intelligence huh? Certainly not people in a real world. You are DRAGONBORN!!
And there are so, so many more examples that I could fill this thread with 100 more pages of evidence, and if you try to argue "oh, that wasn't dumbing down, it was *insert excuse here*" you're only proving my point.
All speculation. I would like you to prove their intent. You're pointing out game changes and then saying that it was because of the console, but you fail to prove that these changes are because of console. Besides that, your opinion of how good or bad these changes are, is an opinion. So even if these were all because of console, and you think it ruined the original design, who really cares about what you think? You're just some guy QQ'ing on the internet. What if I said that you are ruining my forum experience? Do you think anyone cares? Games change. Deal with it.
You're right, I'm just some random person expressing my opinions on the internet. Aren't we all?
I certainly won't change the fact that human intelligence in general is declining and you're proving my point fairly well.
Declining? You obviously don't know human history. The majority of people have always been stupid.
Maybe it's the fact that advances in modern technology have allowed the less inteligent people to communicate more easily and to participate in tests they would not have had easy access to in the past. Also in the Victorian time it was more than likely the gentry or blue collar workers rather than the labourers which would have taken part in any for of critical thinking tests. Damn it I said I wasn't getting into it.
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on January 5, 2015 10:22PM3 -
HairyFairy✭✭✭✭Here is my 2 cents.
What I see here is ZOS has said something, and then went back on their word. They probably have a reason. And here is my understanding of why.
It looks to me, that the Champion System is coming in, and The entire idea, the entirety of veteran ranks will be taken out, correct?
It's a complete overhaul of the end game system. It's going to start fresh people. ZOS sees this as the best possible avenue of approach for the game to continue, and to be better overall.
Is it going to hurt? yeah a little bit. If you're VR14, stop crying. you're level capped, all we need to worry about for now is achievements, and completing hard modes. We don't need to worry about XP. Trackin? k cool.
If you're leveling up, why stop playing to wait for 1.6? You realize that there is so much more in the game that you can do, that you can accomplish, and it makes sense to me to do all of that still.
When 1.6 comes, when champion system is finalized, This will all go away, along with the people who are so deeply hurt by a broken promise.Hello darkness my old friend
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Inklings✭✭✭✭✭HairyFairy wrote: »Is it going to hurt? yeah a little bit. If you're VR14, stop crying. you're level capped, all we need to worry about for now is achievements, and completing hard modes. We don't need to worry about XP. Trackin? k cool.
See this is where you and a lot of people are missing why the other side is so upset. We could have been doing this stuff now, but for the last 3 months there were players who farmed xp under the promise it would be converted. They took time away from pvp, trails/arena and other aspects of the game to obtain xp instead. Yeah no one forced those players to do that, but it still doesn't make it right to give false promises and take them away no matter how small that community of players are.
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Dazin93✭✭✭✭HairyFairy wrote: »Here is my 2 cents.
What I see here is ZOS has said something, and then went back on their word. They probably have a reason. And here is my understanding of why.
It looks to me, that the Champion System is coming in, and The entire idea, the entirety of veteran ranks will be taken out, correct?
It's a complete overhaul of the end game system. It's going to start fresh people. ZOS sees this as the best possible avenue of approach for the game to continue, and to be better overall.
Is it going to hurt? yeah a little bit. If you're VR14, stop crying. you're level capped, all we need to worry about for now is achievements, and completing hard modes. We don't need to worry about XP. Trackin? k cool.
If you're leveling up, why stop playing to wait for 1.6? You realize that there is so much more in the game that you can do, that you can accomplish, and it makes sense to me to do all of that still.
When 1.6 comes, when champion system is finalized, This will all go away, along with the people who are so deeply hurt by a broken promise.
It's not just about a broken promise. I doubt anyone would quit if a pet was promised and ZoS failed to deliver. It's about the fact that after 1.6 and 1.7 any experience gained after vr1 will be removed/lost and there are no plans to compensate players for that earned exp under the new progression system.
I have been playing MMO's for fifteen years and until now I have never had a company take away character progression I had earned without being fairly compensated.
I am a casual player timewise, and it took me months to go from VR1 to VR14. Now over the next 3-4 months ZoS is going to take that progression away, start me at "ground zero" in the new progression system and expect me to grind for months again to be at a comparable competitive level for pvp or endgame pve?
No thank you. To be honest the pvp and endgame pve in this game isn't even currently that good between constant lag issues, poor balancing, bugs, and lack of content.
1.6 will not even introduce any more content, but I guarantee it will introduce even more bugs and balance issues.
Enjoy the carnival ride because I have had enough.5 -
Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭This is the second time dedicated players have been screwed over.
First the Undaunted-XP for players who ALREADY HAD THE ACHIEVEMENTS and were forced to GRIND DAYLIES FOR MORE THAN A WEEK.
Now this, I'd be satisfied if i had even just a single championpoint more than the v1 player with my two v14-characters. This is just unacceptable going back on promises like that, punishing players for playing the game.
What will they do next? increase the mage's guild skill-line and not backtracking all the books everyone found after lvl 10? how is a player supposed to level that skillline then, huh?
You know what ZOS take away the dreugh-waxes from my bank while you're at it and distribute it along the low-lvl-players as well.7 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is the second time dedicated players have been screwed over.
First the Undaunted-XP for players who ALREADY HAD THE ACHIEVEMENTS and were forced to GRIND DAYLIES FOR MORE THAN A WEEK.
Now this, I'd be satisfied if i had even just a single championpoint more than the v1 player with my two v14-characters. This is just unacceptable going back on promises like that, punishing players for playing the game.
What will they do next? increase the mage's guild skill-line and not backtracking all the books everyone found after lvl 10? how is a player supposed to level that skillline then, huh?
You know what ZOS take away the dreugh-waxes from my bank while you're at it and distribute it along the low-lvl-players as well.
Yah and now the more alts you have with hirelings, the less chances of getting tempers you should have.2 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Now if the 30cp was advised at the latest guild summit, presumably this was objected to at that point, by those present. So ZOS have already decided not to act on those objections. Just a thought.6 -
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Ya remove threads that call you out for crap decisions. Way to cover your Ass
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This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?Ugh, the tears. New content didn't reward you for experience gained before it was released. So? When the level cap increases I expect all of you people to be horrified and whining that experience gained at level cap didn't roll over and auto level you.
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
Then the new expansion drops are in the same boat that someone who reached xp cap yesterday even if you reached cap 14 days after the previous expansion was released and has raided since then. And yes the nice raiding gear will be worse than questing gear in 3-4 levels.
Ok so? Don't you see the difference? In case of WoW no one says that "you can play till Cata is online and then we'll track XP and give it back to you".
Also, when the new expansion drops in WoW it brings new quests and content. What will the new Update bring except for removing my progress? In WoW I could then get XP by doing new quests, farming dungeons for new gear etc. ZOS doesn't add any new ways for getting the XP, does it?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Your math is wrong. In fact, there will be less people. There is no reason to invest time in this game as they can always wipe your progression. Therefore, many many players that you have seen around in Cyro (if youpvp) or in Belkarth (if you pve) will only log to complete some things like guild raids and will be off otherwise. That's pretty much what happened in WoW closer to the end of an expansion. People would only log for a raid time.
More people to play/hang out with and create potentially long lasting relationships is a bad thing? Cash grab? Sure. A bad one? Nope.
Just want to point out another thing... By that definition every piece of new content would be considered a cash grab :P\
Wait... People are really quitting over this miniscule difference? You people need to figure out why you are playing this game. Is it to become max level immediately and have everything on your character immediately? Do you expect raid gear to be deposited into your bank immediately after the patch adding the next trial is pushed to live server?
Come on people. It's an alternate advancement system and not an already advanced system. Half of the joy is earning your points. Hell, I'd say even more than that. Giving you something to reach for is the entire objective of the system! You're lucky they are shared and ZOS doesn't make you earn them on each character.
And the other half the joy is having more points than others for the extended amount of time. Otherwise - why care about them? because they make you stronger? Oh well, usually after the word "stronger" the word "than" follows..Edited by Artis on December 27, 2014 9:46AM8 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
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This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?Ugh, the tears. New content didn't reward you for experience gained before it was released. So? When the level cap increases I expect all of you people to be horrified and whining that experience gained at level cap didn't roll over and auto level you.
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
Then the new expansion drops are in the same boat that someone who reached xp cap yesterday even if you reached cap 14 days after the previous expansion was released and has raided since then. And yes the nice raiding gear will be worse than questing gear in 3-4 levels.
Ok so? Don't you see the difference? In case of WoW no one says that "you can play till Cata is online and then we'll track XP and give it back to you".
Also, when the new expansion drops in WoW it brings new quests and content. What will the new Update bring except for removing my progress? In WoW I could then get XP by doing new quests, farming dungeons for new gear etc. ZOS doesn't add any new ways for getting the XP, does it?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Your math is wrong. In fact, there will be less people. There is no reason to invest time in this game as they can always wipe your progression. Therefore, many many players that you have seen around in Cyro (if youpvp) or in Belkarth (if you pve) will only log to complete some things like guild raids and will be off otherwise. That's pretty much what happened in WoW closer to the end of an expansion. People would only log for a raid time.
More people to play/hang out with and create potentially long lasting relationships is a bad thing? Cash grab? Sure. A bad one? Nope.
Just want to point out another thing... By that definition every piece of new content would be considered a cash grab :P\
Wait... People are really quitting over this miniscule difference? You people need to figure out why you are playing this game. Is it to become max level immediately and have everything on your character immediately? Do you expect raid gear to be deposited into your bank immediately after the patch adding the next trial is pushed to live server?
Come on people. It's an alternate advancement system and not an already advanced system. Half of the joy is earning your points. Hell, I'd say even more than that. Giving you something to reach for is the entire objective of the system! You're lucky they are shared and ZOS doesn't make you earn them on each character.
And the other half the joy is having more points than others for the extended amount of time. Otherwise - why care about them? because they make you stronger? Oh well, usually after the word "stronger" the word "than" follows..
^ sums it well
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Iduyenn✭✭✭✭They *** up and now they have to take a simple system so they can implement CP manualy.
They lie, make promises and don`t care about them...
I start to *** hate this company.Edited by Iduyenn on December 28, 2014 2:09PM4 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hm... I might be wrong here, but IIRC VR levels don't give skill points (just addressing something a few commenters have been stating). They did give extra attribute points, but these are probably going away when VR levels go away for good.
I'm not too upset about this, but it's hard to wrap my head around two things:
1. ZOS expressly made a commitment to track xp and convert it to champion points on a proportional basis (up to an undisclosed cap), and has now gone back on its word with no reasons given to the community;
2. As a consequence, a level 50 character who hasn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold will be at a huge advantage over a VR14 with few or no quests left to complete.
The second point may be mitigated if ZOS adjust the xp gain from general PvE/PvP gameplay. However, I sympathise with the people who feel they're going to be forced to repeat their effort in developing their characters.9 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hm... I might be wrong here, but IIRC VR levels don't give skill points (just addressing something a few commenters have been stating). They did give extra attribute points, but these are probably going away when VR levels go away for good.
I'm not too upset about this, but it's hard to wrap my head around two things:
1. ZOS expressly made a commitment to track xp and convert it to champion points on a proportional basis (up to an undisclosed cap), and has now gone back on its word with no reasons given to the community;
2. As a consequence, a level 50 character who hasn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold will be at a huge advantage over a VR14 with few or no quests left to complete.
The second point may be mitigated if ZOS adjust the xp gain from general PvE/PvP gameplay. However, I sympathise with the people who feel they're going to be forced to repeat their effort in developing their characters.
Even if they adjust the xp gain, people still did the quests, for nothing.7 -
Aimelin✭✭✭Hm... I might be wrong here, but IIRC VR levels don't give skill points (just addressing something a few commenters have been stating). They did give extra attribute points, but these are probably going away when VR levels go away for good.
I'm not too upset about this, but it's hard to wrap my head around two things:
1. ZOS expressly made a commitment to track xp and convert it to champion points on a proportional basis (up to an undisclosed cap), and has now gone back on its word with no reasons given to the community;
2. As a consequence, a level 50 character who hasn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold will be at a huge advantage over a VR14 with few or no quests left to complete.
The second point may be mitigated if ZOS adjust the xp gain from general PvE/PvP gameplay. However, I sympathise with the people who feel they're going to be forced to repeat their effort in developing their characters.
Even if they adjust the xp gain, people still did the quests, for nothing.
its not even being fully implemented yet, so why would they do a conversion since vet ranks are staying in 1.6im exhausted over this as well. is it even worth the trouble.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭your not basing any of your posts on fact...so i will disregard them. What is a sad fact...is an official statement was made...and then taken back...with no explanation as to why.2
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✭✭Hm... I might be wrong here, but IIRC VR levels don't give skill points (just addressing something a few commenters have been stating). They did give extra attribute points, but these are probably going away when VR levels go away for good.
I'm not too upset about this, but it's hard to wrap my head around two things:
1. ZOS expressly made a commitment to track xp and convert it to champion points on a proportional basis (up to an undisclosed cap), and has now gone back on its word with no reasons given to the community;
2. As a consequence, a level 50 character who hasn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold will be at a huge advantage over a VR14 with few or no quests left to complete.
The second point may be mitigated if ZOS adjust the xp gain from general PvE/PvP gameplay. However, I sympathise with the people who feel they're going to be forced to repeat their effort in developing their characters.
Even if they adjust the xp gain, people still did the quests, for nothing.
its not even being fully implemented yet, so why would they do a conversion since vet ranks are staying in 1.6im exhausted over this as well. is it even worth the trouble.
lel
Because when VR disapears there will be no compensation. This was stated in ZOS german forum. When CP are implemented is the time to do this change. We don't trust ZOS to implement it later.5 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.1 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
Jarlaxle Baenrex V16 Dunmer NB9 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Hm... I might be wrong here, but IIRC VR levels don't give skill points (just addressing something a few commenters have been stating). They did give extra attribute points, but these are probably going away when VR levels go away for good.
I'm not too upset about this, but it's hard to wrap my head around two things:
1. ZOS expressly made a commitment to track xp and convert it to champion points on a proportional basis (up to an undisclosed cap), and has now gone back on its word with no reasons given to the community;
2. As a consequence, a level 50 character who hasn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold will be at a huge advantage over a VR14 with few or no quests left to complete.
The second point may be mitigated if ZOS adjust the xp gain from general PvE/PvP gameplay. However, I sympathise with the people who feel they're going to be forced to repeat their effort in developing their characters.
Even if they adjust the xp gain, people still did the quests, for nothing.
its not even being fully implemented yet, so why would they do a conversion since vet ranks are staying in 1.6im exhausted over this as well. is it even worth the trouble.
lel
Here's your answer. They won't compensate even when 1.7-1.8-1.whatever comes out.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
Edited by Averya_Teira on December 28, 2014 7:08PM1 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭thats from about two hours ago and settles it.
Technically it's only settled when Paul Sage says it is since the buck stops with him.....but I notice he's doing his best these days to distance himself from the limelight. Wise man.Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.1 -
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Yea, but that guy nearly never talk to the people that pays him (us paying players.) He honestly needs to step forward since his team has failed.Edited by Ethona on December 28, 2014 9:17PM2 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭I have to wonder how bad it must be to PLAY a game after level cap for the sole reason to advance further and further ahead of new players when new content comes out. I also have to wonder WHY some would take the comment of 1 person in the development team and present it like it was a signed contract to those who play that they will get the privilege of being further ahead of everyone when the new system is implemented.
I can only speak for myself, but for me it isn't about being further ahead of new players or anyone else. It's about several other things that have been mentioned in this forum many times now. At this point, people who really can't understand what the problem is are a mystery to me.
Let me try to take it out of the context of this game and put it into a hypothetical context you might understand better. So you go to college or university and are ready to graduate. Then the school decides that your four years puts you too far ahead of new first-year students, so they do two things. First, they take away your four years of achievements and grades, and say you have to go back to first year. Second, they say they will award every student credit for one semester to make sure all grades are "balanced." How would you react?
Yes, this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates exactly what ZOS is doing to people who have played this game for, in my case, nearly 10 months. The principle illustrated by the hypothetical is exactly the same as what is happening in ESO.
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You can be sure that the message Gina Bruno wrote was approved by all kinds of people at ZOS. All their messages are always very well crafted to be super impersonal and often ambiguous. I think ZOS will jump into politics next year lol.5 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭True that. They want to make it apear like the decision is final when it can actually still change if we put enough pressure in them!!!6