Would you be satisfied with 5 CP points per Veteran Level? (OR OTHER AMOUNT?)

dharbert · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

It doesn't matter how many Champion points you would be "satisfied" with. As long as you have at least one veteran character, you will get 30 points, and that's all that everyone is going to get. They've already stated that they are not using any tracked xp after VR14, and that everyone is going to get the exact same amount of points when 1.6 arrives.

Elsonso · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

timidobserver wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

The people that make this kind of decision have probably been on vacation since the 18th of December or earlier. They will probably still be gone until after the 1st of January.

The kind of people who ultimately make this kind of decision probably have part of their salary based upon performance of the company. It is unlikely that they stray too far from the company, even during the holidays.

The people who implement these decisions, well, they will probably be at work on Monday.

timidobserver · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

lordrichter wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

The people that make this kind of decision have probably been on vacation since the 18th of December or earlier. They will probably still be gone until after the 1st of January.

The kind of people who ultimately make this kind of decision probably have part of their salary based upon performance of the company. It is unlikely that they stray too far from the company, even during the holidays.

The people who implement these decisions, well, they will probably be at work on Monday.

I guess we'll see. I seriously doubt there will be any new news until next year.

Averya_Teira · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

timidobserver wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

The people that make this kind of decision have probably been on vacation since the 18th of December or earlier. They will probably still be gone until after the 1st of January.

The kind of people who ultimately make this kind of decision probably have part of their salary based upon performance of the company. It is unlikely that they stray too far from the company, even during the holidays.

The people who implement these decisions, well, they will probably be at work on Monday.

I guess we'll see. I seriously doubt there will be any new news until next year.

Here is your news, and it's not good news...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

RedTalon · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

More reasonable then what is going to happen, part of why I am light break saw where this system was going No reason to finish somethings up till its in really

Brasseurfb16_ESO · December 2014

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmz-K2hLwSI

Ah ah ah! You didn't say the magic word!

Nightreaver · December 2014

ok, few noob questions:
1) What is enlightenment?
2) How is it attained?
3) And at what rate?

Voodoo · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Nightreaver wrote: »

ok, few noob questions:
1) What is enlightenment?
2) How is it attained?
3) And at what rate?

1) Enlightenment is a bonus to xp gain when you're not playing. Say you log off for the night. The next morning your character will have a period of enlightenment for not being logged in. That period of enlightenment will speed up your experence gain by 4x the normal speed.

2) It is attained by not playing the game.

3) 4x the normal experence rate.

Elsonso · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Averya_Teira wrote: »

1) Enlightenment is a bonus to xp gain when you're not playing. Say you log off for the night. The next morning your character will have a period of enlightenment for not being logged in. That period of enlightenment will speed up your experence gain by 4x the normal speed.

2) It is attained by not playing the game.

3) 4x the normal experence rate.

Your definition of how to earn Enlightenment seems to differ from theirs.

Voodoo · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

lordrichter wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

1) Enlightenment is a bonus to xp gain when you're not playing. Say you log off for the night. The next morning your character will have a period of enlightenment for not being logged in. That period of enlightenment will speed up your experence gain by 4x the normal speed.

2) It is attained by not playing the game.

3) 4x the normal experence rate.

Your definition of how to earn Enlightenment seems to differ from theirs.

ok then how about ...its like the rested bonus in wow.

Kraven · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Some people seem to be stuck on the number. It's not the number that is an issue.

Many casuals or newer players just hitting vet ranks have no problem at all with a standard 30 for every single person. Some V14s are concerned about the content they've already done not only does it mean nothing but it means they no longer have that same content to earn CP with.

Ignoring the fact that I personally had already hit V14 so I felt no need to finish Cad's Gold until it was stated "Sure continue doing that content you'll be compensated and tracked." So of course I finished Cad's Gold. Let's ignore that blatant lie, that's fine things change. It shows a complete disregard for your player base that you as a company think you can blatantly lie to your customers repeatedly but they'll hang around anyway. But we'll skip over that for now.

One issue for me is I already have little reason to play my main. It's my favorite character but after grinding dailies for a month (since those that finished all dungeon achievements got screwed over on that update.) I have undaunted passives. The ONLY benefit that character gets is from doing trials and dsa. This plan puts that exact same character that I've done everything on, exactly on par with my DK who hasn't done anything at all. My main is now perfectly evened out with an alt I haven't played in months, who I still haven't even done any vet dungeons with. Exactly on par with some brand new player, But the main (NB) lacks the content to build it back up.

CP are shared so sure I could do all that on the DK but it gives me no reason at all to play the Nb and no benefit for having done everything already. Why play the Nb? DK will have 2 entire factions plus craglorn worth of not only quests but achievements, dolmens, world bosses, delves, and group dungeon quests to gain CP from. Even the sorc at v10 has all that from gold zones. I'm a lucky one, I have alts there are some that spend all their time and energy on one single character, now they're being slapped because of it.

I personally don't even think it should have anything to do vet ranks. For all I care give us 1 single point per vet level, but don't you dare say I should now after all my time /played be exactly on par with a new player who grinded V1 in a week. Rather award us for the crap we've done, the achievements that we've earned that we no longer can. Award us CP based on what content has been completed, I don't want max CP hell I don't even want half of max. I don't even expect that IF we were awarded for content completed that it would even be on par with how much CP someone would earn by doing silver and gold after 1.6.

The problem is casuals are happy with this news, after all they're getting to be on par with veterans and people who spent 3x or more the amount of time making the builds they copy and paste from. Sure they don't mind at all. It's not about V1 vs V14 it's about my amount of time, my amount of investment, my amount of involvement, and my amount of energy spent making my character better. Improving it. Perfecting my stamina build when stamina builds were crap. Versus your lack of any of that.

TL;DR?: If 30 is the magic number fine. The number doesn't matter, but if you're V1 you should earn that damn 30. The issue isn't the number it's the evening out, the blanket "Boom now you're all the same."

dietlime · December 2014

Dude.

You don't even know what 5 CP is worth.

what if each cp is 1,000 stam/??!?1/1/1/11

Wolfshead · December 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

Due to the amount of disgruntled players over this 30CP Vet 1-14. I suggest ZOS changes this to 5 CP points per Vet level. Example. VR 1 = 5CP, VR 14 = 70CP

Edited: Pointing out that since points are per level then that applies to ANY VR alt. 5cp per VR level alt. ..and for sake of argument below level 50 alts get nothing at start then shared as planned.

**Feel free to add your own desired set amount of points per level in comments!**

Would you be OK with this option?

You should really read other post before you add poll like we have got our answer about CP so i dont really see point of have a poll like this bte here is answer :

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

Here is the link btw i think earn 1 CP is total ok and stop be so greedy OP

Audigy · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So eveverye who has played since launch and put in hundreds of hours questing and was specifically promised on multiple ocassions that we would get exp for continuing to quest don't matter....because no one at zeni can do math and figure out a better way than making a guy who started playing yesterday and me who has put in 1000 hours even. Well I got a news flash for you...we aren't even and shouldn't be. If this company isn't going to keep its promises....why should we keep paying them money.

They promised to track your XP and reward you for your efforts. This they do, just that they don't do it in a very "excessive way".

I am honestly not sure what some people did expect that ZO would give them. To me it was pretty clear that maybe 5 or 10 CPs sound reasonable as a Cap, but I guess I was pretty alone with that assumption.

Personally I am quite sure that you guys make a lot of noise about nothing that important in the long run. Didn't you have fun playing the game? If you spent 1000 hours in ESO, then you did this because it was fun or did you to gain an edge over new players & Casuals?

I just don't understand that philosophy sorry

It's not a cap if everyone gets the same amount even with 0 minutes played at VR (fresh VR1). That's not the definition of a cap at all...

Welka wrote: »

We haven't been lied, that's what I highlighted on page 1. They said you'd get rewarded up to a cap. No confusion possible

AshySamurai wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Your not going to to get this thread off topic.....this is about the fact we all have been lied to and are pissed. When are they going to answer up for this crap ?

Umm, never? Also, ZOS tracking all your XP. And you will get reward - 30CP. All fair

Again... if everyone gets the same amount whatever their time played... it's not a CAP... What's so hard with words definitions people... ?

If they REALLY want no one to get more than 30 CP, then give VR1s 0 CP.

***Note that I have a VR3, so no I am not whining because of my VR14***

Audigy wrote: »

I am quite sure many mobs and dungeons will see an overhaul, starting from level 1 onwards. They cant introduce a power up and not rebalance their mobs. Just think about it, you start a new char and have 50% more crit, HP or Stamina than a fresh player.
Would you find it fun if you now level and everything is a joke? No you wouldn't, just like the new players wouldn't like to die on a single hit.

And no, nobody wants to be carried here, I am actually very happy if the game would be as hard again like in Beta. But again! This isn't about me or you, its about the average gamer and they cant be thrown into content that is made for players with high CP´s in mind.

Maria said, they want that the person who does content now can also do it in 1.6.

The highlighted part points that your have no idea what the Champion system is and what it does...

I think I know more about the whole ZO design philosophy than you do. After all I read and understand official announcements, while you stretch them to your liking, not caring about the original wording and content.

You have your cap of 30 CPs just like it was announced back then, you reached that Cap and now you should just accept this or go play another MMO. That said, good luck finding an MMO where a Hardcore Grinder wont lose his progress at some point, these don't exist.

Someone inexperienced in MMOs can find the current situation a bit weird, fine. But that's a lesson for the future then, you will never be forever the big player in an MMO.
If you intend in staying, a small advice to cool your blood pressure a bit in advance.
Once the VR system goes you will once again lose your former "special status", be it items or stats.

Tavore1138 · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Although I do like the OP's idea it seems ZOS are firmly sticking to their changed course of 30 being the max for anyone. So be it.

However since all those who haven't burnt time are happy with VR14's getting the same as them and less than originally stated then I imagine they won't mind if say... VR14s get 30 and then it drops down 2CP per VR level to VR1s getting 4CP?

If such things are not a big deal to them but clearly are to VR14s that might be a way to soothe both sides of this mess.

The VR1s can give up the points they so clearly don't care about, the VR14s get some sort of return on their time investment - everyone is ever so slightly lesas furious?

Iluvrien · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

If such things are not a big deal to them but clearly are to VR14s that might be a way to soothe both sides of this mess.

The VR1s can give up the points they so clearly don't care about, the VR14s get some sort of return on their time investment - everyone is ever so slightly lesas furious?

I have characters above VR1 but as far as I am concerned they can do the above with my blessing. I have even stated, in another thread, that they could give me 0 CP and the VR14s 30 CP at the start and it wouldn't bother me as long as this place becomes less deeply unpleasant.

Audigy · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Although I do like the OP's idea it seems ZOS are firmly sticking to their changed course of 30 being the max for anyone. So be it.

However since all those who haven't burnt time are happy with VR14's getting the same as them and less than originally stated then I imagine they won't mind if say... VR14s get 30 and then it drops down 2CP per VR level to VR1s getting 4CP?

If such things are not a big deal to them but clearly are to VR14s that might be a way to soothe both sides of this mess.

The VR1s can give up the points they so clearly don't care about, the VR14s get some sort of return on their time investment - everyone is ever so slightly lesas furious?

I suggested a similar way a while ago, with only VR 14 getting 30 and nobody else, but even those 30 are not enough for people it seems.

Personally I couldn't care less about how many points a VR 14 has, I just want to have a smooth gameplay, where things are balanced.

AT WS with the Elder system a player needed those points to compete in Trials and Dungeons (group content) and you were harassed and excluded if you didn't have them. I don't want to see the same happening upon 1.6 release, so keeping the gap small is a good idea by ZO.

But as I said, anything is fine as long its a small amount of points and not something like a few hundred as some VR 14s suggested.

Tavore1138 · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Audigy wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Although I do like the OP's idea it seems ZOS are firmly sticking to their changed course of 30 being the max for anyone. So be it.

However since all those who haven't burnt time are happy with VR14's getting the same as them and less than originally stated then I imagine they won't mind if say... VR14s get 30 and then it drops down 2CP per VR level to VR1s getting 4CP?

If such things are not a big deal to them but clearly are to VR14s that might be a way to soothe both sides of this mess.

The VR1s can give up the points they so clearly don't care about, the VR14s get some sort of return on their time investment - everyone is ever so slightly lesas furious?

AT WS with the Elder system a player needed those points to compete in Trials and Dungeons (group content) and you were harassed and excluded if you didn't have them. I don't want to see the same happening upon 1.6 release, so keeping the gap small is a good idea by ZO.

But as I said, anything is fine as long its a small amount of points and not something like a few hundred as some VR 14s suggested.

Sadly I think that unless you are in a decent guild the pre-qualification for end game content by level or achieves or gear or build is already there and probably will not go after this & within a week those who play a handful of hours per week are going to be overhauled by those who play 4 hours a day or more (with a caveat that if enlightenment means that playing a lot does not give some benefit over occasional drop in this will generate a whole new, fully justifiable rage).

I fully agree that VR14s should not ever have been expecting to have a significant chunk of the available CP - ZOS need to keep giving us stuff to do for progression - but it was deeply foolish of ZOS to artificially enforce equality across such a disparate player base too, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to think it would be well received.

Voodoo · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

@_Wolfshead

They changed their minds once they may change it again ...and 5cp was just a ok number it could be any number zos makes.

I agree the biggest problem (other than new vets jumping to same level as old vets) is the lack of content for endgame ppl.

They really, REALLY! needed to release the CP system with a whole new zone of content for those that have little left to do.

Drasn · December 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

According to ESO Live, you can get 1 CP for an hour of enlightened play. The enlightened play is a 4x bonus, so it is 4 hours per CP unenlightened. I would use the unenlightened for previous XP.

My prior thoughts on how many CP a player might have:

While I think they were originally thinking that 1 earned XP prior to Champion System would be the same as 1 earned XP after Champion System, they were also saying that there would be a cap. That cap allows them to trim off the top players if they want.

Under the new Champion System v2, a player earns somewhere around 1 CP for every 400,000 XP. Naturally, they have not released this XP number. It is based on ESO Live estimates of 4 hours per CP plus how long it takes their QA team to gain 1 Veteran Rank (10 hours).

This puts a person with 70 million veteran XP in the 175 CP range. I am certainly hoping that there are no Veteran Rank 70 characters, by today's accounting, running around.

(Note: 8 alts at VR 14 at 1.4million/rank would total 156 million XP, or 392 CP. I do not know if there are any of those players around )

The 175 CP from this is 5% of the total possible CP in Champion System 2.0.

Based on all of this, I am now more inclined to think that 1 CP per VR for the most advanced character on the account is more in line with what they are doing. So, each player would get 30 CP for VR1 plus up to 13 more CP for additional Veteran Ranks. A player with any number of VR14 characters would get 43 CP to start.

And just how long did they say it would take someone to reach max level when game launched?

And who's playtime are they using to make that measurement? The guy who runs around being amazed by everything, sniffing every flower, and engaging in long conversations while hiding behind a tree, or the guy that skips all dialog and zips from point a to point b, or the guy that would rather kill 1,000,000 mobs than do even one more quest, or the guy that spam runs instances?

There is no way for them to balance so that all activities give the same xp unless they throttle xp/time.

The reality is that the 30cp doesn't matter, there will be an ever widening gap within hours of 1.6. People are upset that ZOS said one thing and then did another.

Layenem · December 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

Nightreaver wrote: »

ok, few noob questions:
1) What is enlightenment?
2) How is it attained?
3) And at what rate?

1) Enlightenment is a bonus to xp gain when you're not playing. Say you log off for the night. The next morning your character will have a period of enlightenment for not being logged in. That period of enlightenment will speed up your experence gain by 4x the normal speed.

2) It is attained by not playing the game.

3) 4x the normal experence rate.

@Nightreaver‌ to clarify this, correctly:

Enlightenment is earned while your VETERAN RANKED characters are NOT earning exp. You can be in town bidding on items on your v14 and gain enlightenment. You can be on a low level alt and out questing and gain enlightenment. You can be logged out of the game entirely, but it is not a necessity.

Once any of your veteran ranked (50+) characters is no longer earning EXP then you are building enlightenment.

timidobserver · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Averya_Teira wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

The people that make this kind of decision have probably been on vacation since the 18th of December or earlier. They will probably still be gone until after the 1st of January.

The kind of people who ultimately make this kind of decision probably have part of their salary based upon performance of the company. It is unlikely that they stray too far from the company, even during the holidays.

The people who implement these decisions, well, they will probably be at work on Monday.

I guess we'll see. I seriously doubt there will be any new news until next year.

Here is your news, and it's not good news...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

..... This is only news to those that don't know how to listen. She has to keep repeating the same thing over and over again because people can't seem to understand. By news I meant new news.