They want everyone on even footing at release so it is easier for them to find where the imbalances are in the system and adjust accordingly. It's kinda hard to do that with a whole new system when everyone would start at a different number.

Why 5 exactly?

Actually, I think 5 per veteran level is probably generous compared to what the CP is actually worth. I am convinced that each CP is worth 400k XP, as of the last ESO Live show.

The poll failed to mention whether this was per character or just for the highest VR available at the moment.

I'm fine with 30CP. I have vr14, but still fine with this decision. It seems to me that only grinders are unhappy.

According to ESO Live, you can get 1 CP for an hour of enlightened play. The enlightened play is a 4x bonus, so it is 4 hours per CP unenlightened. I would use the unenlightened for previous XP.

My prior thoughts on how many CP a player might have:

While I think they were originally thinking that 1 earned XP prior to Champion System would be the same as 1 earned XP after Champion System, they were also saying that there would be a cap. That cap allows them to trim off the top players if they want.

Under the new Champion System v2, a player earns somewhere around 1 CP for every 400,000 XP. Naturally, they have not released this XP number. It is based on ESO Live estimates of 4 hours per CP plus how long it takes their QA team to gain 1 Veteran Rank (10 hours).

This puts a person with 70 million veteran XP in the 175 CP range. I am certainly hoping that there are no Veteran Rank 70 characters, by today's accounting, running around.

(Note: 8 alts at VR 14 at 1.4million/rank would total 156 million XP, or 392 CP. I do not know if there are any of those players around )

The 175 CP from this is 5% of the total possible CP in Champion System 2.0.

Based on all of this, I am now more inclined to think that 1 CP per VR for the most advanced character on the account is more in line with what they are doing. So, each player would get 30 CP for VR1 plus up to 13 more CP for additional Veteran Ranks. A player with any number of VR14 characters would get 43 CP to start.

No! i was told by a zenimax employee that my xp was being tracked, so trying to bribe me with 5 cp per level aint enough to bandaid all the work i put in to prepare for competitiveness in pvp and also being lied to.

i am still angry they took away my high sneak speeds on my nightblade. will i unsubscribe over this? "no" but they keep treating me like dirt and i will eventaully just leave the game.

stamina nightblades are not competitive in pvp in elderscrolls online. theres alot that eso has done that needs rectified in my eyes.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

No! i was told by a zenimax employee that my xp was being tracked, so trying to bribe me with 5 cp per level aint enough to bandaid all the work i put in to prepare for competitiveness in pvp and also being lied to.

i am still angry they took away my high sneak speeds on my nightblade. will i unsubscribe over this? "no" but they keep treating me like dirt and i will eventaully just leave the game.

stamina nightblades are not competitive in pvp in elderscrolls online. theres alot that eso has done that needs rectified in my eyes.

Well, Zenimax didn't lied to you. They tracked your XP. Did they said that you will be 100% rewarded for all your extra XP?

I think 1 CP per veteran level up to a max of 28 would be good.

AshySamurai wrote: »

I'm fine with 30CP. I have vr14, but still fine with this decision. It seems to me that only grinders are unhappy.

I'm not a grinder. At all. This comment makes no sense since the issue is that those of us that are unhappy have lost the quests that we did... Kind of the opposite of what grinders did. Know your info.

I find it sad that people still don't understand the issue with excessive CPs at 1.6. This is not about VR1 vs. VR 14, this is about level 1 without Champion points versus level 1 with hundreds of them.

How are new players supposed to level up if the content they play in is based on 100 or 200 CPs? Should they just quit so that the seasoned gamers can have their will and special snowflake reward for being able to grind for months?

For what its good, don't just think about yourself, think about players who join ESO or got it as a present to Christmas. Let them take part in the game and step back from your special snowflake syndrome.

ZO cant give you more points, the 30 is what they see as balanced and that's just how it is.

Get over it, you can grind new CPs as soon 1.6 is out and gain an edge again.

I find it sad that people still don't understand the issue with excessive CPs at 1.6. This is not about VR1 vs. VR 14, this is about level 1 without Champion points versus level 1 with hundreds of them.

I am not asking for a giant advantage in CP because I'm VR14. I would just like that I achieved VR14 instead of VR1 to mean something.

Currently, I don't know if it will - thus, slight worry.

How are new players supposed to level up if the content they play in is based on 100 or 200 CPs

Back when VR zones were un-nerfed, I stopped playing my full medium armor, bow/DW nightblade through them because they were too easy. I'm by far not the best player. Take that as you will...:)

I would assume they could just go back and do the content they're supposed to do to gain CP, instead of expecting the people who are actually at the number of CPs the content is balanced around to carry them. You also seem to be missing that not all content is going to be balanced around the higher end of CPs. It's just...not. I'm confident that even ZOS couldn't make that big of a mistake (you're pretty much saying that, for example, Auridon is going to expect that you have 200 CP O.o wut?)

ZO cant give you more points, the 30 is what they see as balanced and that's just how it is.

Yes they can. Telling people to just 'deal with it' is absolutely ridiculous.

Get over it, you can grind new CPs as soon 1.6 is out and gain an edge again.

So? We already have that edge - a VR14 is stronger than a VR1 and so forth. The problem is, it looks like the time it took from 1-14 is gonna be made worthless.

So - TLDR. Referring back to the bolded portion above. Please keep in mind that, while there may be some who don't understand the issue with excessive CP (and may they be sat upon by giant angry kitties), there are probably more that do, and just want to not have wasted their time.

For what its good, don't just think about yourself, think about players who join ESO or got it as a present to Christmas.

Don't think about yourself, think about the people who might end up being told they are being punished for playing the game..:)

Yeeeah, wanting our time to be worth something = special snowflake syndrome! Weee!

or just have them let us keep the extra attribute and skill points we got via leveling through Vet levels when they remove vet levels.

I think 5 is too much and 1 is too little. I'd go with 2. Or some Vrs giving 1 and some giving 2. One VR level is 1mil exp, one champion point is 4 hours (or one with Enlightenment). ZOS seems to have a really skewed idea of how long a level takes, so I'll use mine. One VR rank takes me about 2 hours on average, and I consider Seems like it'd be as balanced as it is going to get that way. Also, I think letting them keep the attribute and skill points would be quite unfair to those who didn't have em xD If I 'm understanding that right - working for stuff is fine and good. Not good is having something that people have you can't work for.

Even a character starting at VR1 will only earn 2.5 CP per VR level, if they don't have enlightenment (it's 400k xp per CP), so your wanting twice what could be earnt doing VR1-14.

@Guppet - I'm curious, where did you find confirmation that 400k exp = 1 CP?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

No! i was told by a zenimax employee that my xp was being tracked, so trying to bribe me with 5 cp per level aint enough to bandaid all the work i put in to prepare for competitiveness in pvp and also being lied to.

i am still angry they took away my high sneak speeds on my nightblade. will i unsubscribe over this? "no" but they keep treating me like dirt and i will eventaully just leave the game.

stamina nightblades are not competitive in pvp in elderscrolls online. theres alot that eso has done that needs rectified in my eyes.

Well, Zenimax didn't lied to you. They tracked your XP. Did they said that you will be 100% rewarded for all your extra XP?

here is the question that was asked by us

"Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes?"

here is the answer we were given by zenimax employee,

"Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap."

as far as answering you any further on this subject (or any other one for that matter) dont expect it.
i made my comment with the intention of allowing my opinion to be seen by zenimax. in real life i dont spend my time in a sewing circle.
in eso they gave us a decision that in order to be slightly ahead and competitive in pvp we had to complete the very degrading task of joining with pve groups and complete undaunted quests. i hated every moment of it, and i will never forget the way i was spoken to and treated during those quests.

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