Would you be satisfied with 5 CP points per Veteran Level? (OR OTHER AMOUNT?)

Guppet · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

Tonturri wrote: »

I find it sad that people still don't understand the issue with excessive CPs at 1.6. This is not about VR1 vs. VR 14, this is about level 1 without Champion points versus level 1 with hundreds of them.

I am not asking for a giant advantage in CP because I'm VR14. I would just like that I achieved VR14 instead of VR1 to mean something.

Currently, I don't know if it will - thus, slight worry.

How are new players supposed to level up if the content they play in is based on 100 or 200 CPs

Back when VR zones were un-nerfed, I stopped playing my full medium armor, bow/DW nightblade through them because they were too easy. I'm by far not the best player. Take that as you will...:)

I would assume they could just go back and do the content they're supposed to do to gain CP, instead of expecting the people who are actually at the number of CPs the content is balanced around to carry them. You also seem to be missing that not all content is going to be balanced around the higher end of CPs. It's just...not. I'm confident that even ZOS couldn't make that big of a mistake (you're pretty much saying that, for example, Auridon is going to expect that you have 200 CP O.o wut?)

ZO cant give you more points, the 30 is what they see as balanced and that's just how it is.

Yes they can. Telling people to just 'deal with it' is absolutely ridiculous.

Get over it, you can grind new CPs as soon 1.6 is out and gain an edge again.

So? We already have that edge - a VR14 is stronger than a VR1 and so forth. The problem is, it looks like the time it took from 1-14 is gonna be made worthless.

So - TLDR. Referring back to the bolded portion above. Please keep in mind that, while there may be some who don't understand the issue with excessive CP (and may they be sat upon by giant angry kitties), there are probably more that do, and just want to not have wasted their time.

For what its good, don't just think about yourself, think about players who join ESO or got it as a present to Christmas.

Don't think about yourself, think about the people who might end up being told they are being punished for playing the game..:)

Yeeeah, wanting our time to be worth something = special snowflake syndrome! Weee!

or just have them let us keep the extra attribute and skill points we got via leveling through Vet levels when they remove vet levels.

I think 5 is too much and 1 is too little. I'd go with 2. Or some Vrs giving 1 and some giving 2. One VR level is 1mil exp, one champion point is 4 hours (or one with Enlightenment). ZOS seems to have a really skewed idea of how long a level takes, so I'll use mine. One VR rank takes me about 2 hours on average, and I consider Seems like it'd be as balanced as it is going to get that way. Also, I think letting them keep the attribute and skill points would be quite unfair to those who didn't have em xD If I 'm understanding that right - working for stuff is fine and good. Not good is having something that people have you can't work for.

Even a character starting at VR1 will only earn 2.5 CP per VR level, if they don't have enlightenment (it's 400k xp per CP), so your wanting twice what could be earnt doing VR1-14.

@Guppet - I'm curious, where did you find confirmation that 400k exp = 1 CP?

They say 1 hour per cp with max enlightenment. Max enlightenment is 4x xp. They intend 10 hours per VR level (which I have found to be about right). So the op is asking for far more than was lost. There more chance of getting what people want if those demands are more reasonable. They may still award somthing when VR is fully removed. I'd start asking for that 22.5

NadiusMaximus · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Face it. Your gonna play anyway.

If not, can I haz ur stuffs.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

WhiskyBob · December 2014

No! That is still not enough for my effort. (looking at you VR 14's)

I'd be happy with 1cp per 1mil XP i have gained since vet14.

Welka · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

Joejudas wrote: »

@welka your part of the problem....casual playing thinking at its finest

Lol, I point out the obvious. The fact that they said back then that it would be capped... and that makes me a casual player. Your logic is flawless...

I play several hours a day, play PvP, run trials with guild, have completed every single quest in every single zone, have over 11k achievement points and just short of 300 skill points on just my first toon. So yeah, I'm casual -_-

What I'm definitely not is pathetically obsessed over 30 miserable CP. Just move on, and one piece of advice; don't judge people when you know nothing about them

Audigy · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

I am not asking for a giant advantage in CP because I'm VR14. I would just like that I achieved VR14 instead of VR1 to mean something.

Currently, I don't know if it will - thus, slight worry.

Well it does mean something.

You can do trials, compete in AVA, have access to daily quests and your chars are much stronger with more attribute / skill points and gear.

A VR 14 has already more, but you seem to want even more. If its only about me then I would say give the VR 14 those 30 CPs and that's it.

Everyone else could start at 0 and it would be totally fine for me. But this isn't about me, its about what's best for the game and I am quite sure that ZO knows very well how the situation is in regards of a player that is maybe VR 5 and now has zero CPs with 1.6 or a player just starting out.
They cant hop into trials to farm CP´s, or do daily quests at Crag or AVA. For them doing the quests is what grants them skill points, quests that they either already did(your advice to just go back wont work there), while the upcoming quests are now too hard or they don't have access to content yet. A level one cant get any CPs until level 50.

At the day when these players can gain CPs, the old ones might be up a few hundred already and it would be a very tough progress for them as well, a progress with many deaths and lots of frustration. What this means for AVA and dungeon running is pretty clear, right?

If not I can explain it to you. People without CP´s will struggle finding groups, leveling up their chars while being free kills in AVA and in the long run lose their interest in the game.

We need a balance in that game, its the most important thing right now. Yes a hardcore player will have an edge, but it must be very small compared to the Casual. We don't need another WOW here, where new players are treated like ..., always bullied around just because they are trailing behind.

Maria said clearly, they will rebalance the content based on the new system. I am quite confident that the 30 CP is what they see as an optimal balance between VR 14, VR 1 and new players.

Back when VR zones were un-nerfed, I stopped playing my full medium armor, bow/DW nightblade through them because they were too easy. I'm by far not the best player. Take that as you will...:)

I would assume they could just go back and do the content they're supposed to do to gain CP, instead of expecting the people who are actually at the number of CPs the content is balanced around to carry them. You also seem to be missing that not all content is going to be balanced around the higher end of CPs. It's just...not. I'm confident that even ZOS couldn't make that big of a mistake (you're pretty much saying that, for example, Auridon is going to expect that you have 200 CP O.o wut?)

I am quite sure many mobs and dungeons will see an overhaul, starting from level 1 onwards. They cant introduce a power up and not rebalance their mobs. Just think about it, you start a new char and have 50% more crit, HP or Stamina than a fresh player.
Would you find it fun if you now level and everything is a joke? No you wouldn't, just like the new players wouldn't like to die on a single hit.

And no, nobody wants to be carried here, I am actually very happy if the game would be as hard again like in Beta. But again! This isn't about me or you, its about the average gamer and they cant be thrown into content that is made for players with high CP´s in mind.

Maria said, they want that the person who does content now can also do it in 1.6.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

So eveverye who has played since launch and put in hundreds of hours questing and was specifically promised on multiple ocassions that we would get exp for continuing to quest don't matter....because no one at zeni can do math and figure out a better way than making a guy who started playing yesterday and me who has put in 1000 hours even. Well I got a news flash for you...we aren't even and shouldn't be. If this company isn't going to keep its promises....why should we keep paying them money.

kongkim · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Just give all people 0 from start. all need to gain them its a new system.

Audigy · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

Joejudas wrote: »

So eveverye who has played since launch and put in hundreds of hours questing and was specifically promised on multiple ocassions that we would get exp for continuing to quest don't matter....because no one at zeni can do math and figure out a better way than making a guy who started playing yesterday and me who has put in 1000 hours even. Well I got a news flash for you...we aren't even and shouldn't be. If this company isn't going to keep its promises....why should we keep paying them money.

They promised to track your XP and reward you for your efforts. This they do, just that they don't do it in a very "excessive way".

I am honestly not sure what some people did expect that ZO would give them. To me it was pretty clear that maybe 5 or 10 CPs sound reasonable as a Cap, but I guess I was pretty alone with that assumption.

Personally I am quite sure that you guys make a lot of noise about nothing that important in the long run. Didn't you have fun playing the game? If you spent 1000 hours in ESO, then you did this because it was fun or did you to gain an edge over new players & Casuals?

I just don't understand that philosophy sorry

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

It's not unreasonable to ask for more cp than a newer casual player when I put extra time and effort in. Not everyone gets a trophy people. We aren't asking for much.....but nothing is completely unacceptable.

Welka · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

If you see your playtime as "effort" or "work", you clearly forgot what a game is.

The CS was never meant to give anyone an advantage over someone, otherwise the benefits wouldn't reduce as you put more points into one stat. It's designed to balance gameplay and make class choices more meaningful

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Your not going to to get this thread off topic.....this is about the fact we all have been lied to and are pissed. When are they going to answer up for this crap ?

Welka · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

We haven't been lied, that's what I highlighted on page 1. They said you'd get rewarded up to a cap. No confusion possible

AshySamurai · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

Joejudas wrote: »

Your not going to to get this thread off topic.....this is about the fact we all have been lied to and are pissed. When are they going to answer up for this crap ?

Umm, never? Also, ZOS tracking all your XP. And you will get reward - 30CP. All fair

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

I'm done trying to explain this to some off you guys. How many times do we need to quote the devs saying that we should keep questing because we would get the exp before you admit zeni lied.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

And as I have said before....if it's a cap system then a vr 1 should get 1 cp and a vr14 should get more.

Averya_Teira · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

Audigy wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So eveverye who has played since launch and put in hundreds of hours questing and was specifically promised on multiple ocassions that we would get exp for continuing to quest don't matter....because no one at zeni can do math and figure out a better way than making a guy who started playing yesterday and me who has put in 1000 hours even. Well I got a news flash for you...we aren't even and shouldn't be. If this company isn't going to keep its promises....why should we keep paying them money.

They promised to track your XP and reward you for your efforts. This they do, just that they don't do it in a very "excessive way".

I am honestly not sure what some people did expect that ZO would give them. To me it was pretty clear that maybe 5 or 10 CPs sound reasonable as a Cap, but I guess I was pretty alone with that assumption.

Personally I am quite sure that you guys make a lot of noise about nothing that important in the long run. Didn't you have fun playing the game? If you spent 1000 hours in ESO, then you did this because it was fun or did you to gain an edge over new players & Casuals?

I just don't understand that philosophy sorry

It's not a cap if everyone gets the same amount even with 0 minutes played at VR (fresh VR1). That's not the definition of a cap at all...

Welka wrote: »

We haven't been lied, that's what I highlighted on page 1. They said you'd get rewarded up to a cap. No confusion possible

AshySamurai wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Your not going to to get this thread off topic.....this is about the fact we all have been lied to and are pissed. When are they going to answer up for this crap ?

Umm, never? Also, ZOS tracking all your XP. And you will get reward - 30CP. All fair

Again... if everyone gets the same amount whatever their time played... it's not a CAP... What's so hard with words definitions people... ?

If they REALLY want no one to get more than 30 CP, then give VR1s 0 CP.

***Note that I have a VR3, so no I am not whining because of my VR14***

Audigy wrote: »

I am quite sure many mobs and dungeons will see an overhaul, starting from level 1 onwards. They cant introduce a power up and not rebalance their mobs. Just think about it, you start a new char and have 50% more crit, HP or Stamina than a fresh player.
Would you find it fun if you now level and everything is a joke? No you wouldn't, just like the new players wouldn't like to die on a single hit.

And no, nobody wants to be carried here, I am actually very happy if the game would be as hard again like in Beta. But again! This isn't about me or you, its about the average gamer and they cant be thrown into content that is made for players with high CP´s in mind.

Maria said, they want that the person who does content now can also do it in 1.6.

The highlighted part points that your have no idea what the Champion system is and what it does...

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

@averya_teira i have been saying the same thing all night....i was getting tired of explaining it

Samadhi · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Playing since Beta.
Nearly 2000 hours /played on my main character alone.
Various alts; Veteran leveled.
Consider myself predominately a solo player. Grinding isn't my thing.

More interested in the Champion System itself than in how many points will be assigned.
Perfectly fine with 30 points for all; perfectly fine with any other option that ends up giving me loads more points than most of the population.

Getting a good laugh at the people bursting blood vessels over this all though.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

we simply want a single question answered. is that too much to ask ?

Elsonso · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Tonturri wrote: »

@Guppet - I'm curious, where did you find confirmation that 400k exp = 1 CP?

@Tonturri‌

I invented that number and it has never been said by Zenimax, a fact that I do not intentionally hide.

It is based on 1 CP per 4 hours, as stated in ESO Live, combined with 10 hours per Vet level as stated by Zenimax when they changed Vet XP to 1 million.

10 / 4 = 2.5 CP per Veteran Rank
1,000,000 / 2.5 = 400,000 XP per CP

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

interesting. see if it was a cap like previously stated...it would look more like that

Grileenor · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

It could be something like 2 CP per veteranrank. That would not meet the expactations fueled by words from ZOS, but it would fit the scope. Why ZOS is annoying quite some people with this 30 point for all stuff is beyond me.

But hey, I do not own a V14 char, so I don't really care personally. I just don't think 30 for all is fair with the given history.

Muizer · December 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

Pointing out that since points are per level then that applies to ANY VR alt. 5cp per VR level alt. ..and for sake of argument below level 50 alts get nothing at start then shared as planned.

I think account wide compensation wouldn't be a good thing at all. The past system was never meant to confer xp gained by one character upon all your alts, so your proposal would create a gap in character strength where none existed before. If ZoS seemingly promised that, then that was a mistake on their part, and they thankfully realised that in time.

There is the issue of "lost Cadwell's xp" but that would have to be dealt with differently. IMHO, what they should do is compensate players for the xp of the single highest level character up to level 14.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

they need to come through on the promise they made about the exp

Iselin · December 2014

No! That is still not enough for my effort. (looking at you VR 14's)

Audigy wrote: »

I find it sad that people still don't understand the issue with excessive CPs at 1.6. This is not about VR1 vs. VR 14, this is about level 1 without Champion points versus level 1 with hundreds of them.

How are new players supposed to level up if the content they play in is based on 100 or 200 CPs? Should they just quit so that the seasoned gamers can have their will and special snowflake reward for being able to grind for months?

For what its good, don't just think about yourself, think about players who join ESO or got it as a present to Christmas. Let them take part in the game and step back from your special snowflake syndrome.

ZO cant give you more points, the 30 is what they see as balanced and that's just how it is.

Get over it, you can grind new CPs as soon 1.6 is out and gain an edge again.

1. We didn't ask for our newly created level 1s to be given a huge leveling boost with CPs...easy solution, no CPs for any character until it gets to level 50, then they can share in account-wide CPs.

2. With the system they've announced, the "problem" you're describing with super-powered level 1s will eventually exist anyway once the CP system has been around for a while and players have earned many beyond 30.

So, don't be sad, we understand it just fine: it IS a VR1 vs. VR14 thing any way you slice it.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

to me its more a " we did questing we wont get the exp you promised us" vs " everyone who can still do those quests". i just hope for everyone's sake we get some answers.

timidobserver · December 2014

Why all the fuss?

Joejudas wrote: »

They need to answer all this soon.....people are pissed.

The people that make this kind of decision have probably been on vacation since the 18th of December or earlier. They will probably still be gone until after the 1st of January.

Joejudas · December 2014

Yes! 5 Champion Points per Veteran Level is a fair idea.

thats what im gathering.

Guppet · December 2014

I am happy with 30 Champion Points for any VR level

lordrichter wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

@Guppet - I'm curious, where did you find confirmation that 400k exp = 1 CP?

@Tonturri‌

I invented that number and it has never been said by Zenimax, a fact that I do not intentionally hide.

It is based on 1 CP per 4 hours, as stated in ESO Live, combined with 10 hours per Vet level as stated by Zenimax when they changed Vet XP to 1 million.

10 / 4 = 2.5 CP per Veteran Rank
1,000,000 / 2.5 = 400,000 XP per CP

The two things confirmed by ZOS confirm the 400k figure. You did not invent it lol.