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30 CP Debacle --- What I will be doing.
GreyBrow
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Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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Edited by GreyBrow on December 29, 2014 12:14PM Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
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Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's pretty much what I was afraid of given the amount of discontent regarding this decision.
If people start force-grinding, using slightly abusive mechanisms like Rkundzelft at the moment, the gap between casuals and dedicated players will widen a lot. @ZOS may even be forced to reset the Champion Points of some players to keep the balance and then all hell will break loose...
... but let's see how it goes on the PTS first!
Wololo.4 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" bull#&*@.
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on grindfest 2015
I'm in
Don't forget to complete 25 quests now with 8 characters & wait until 1.6 to turn them in.
We will have ALL the CP & noobs will cry
*laughs hysterically*
...wait, I don't have 8 characters
Time to do some power leveling I guess.
#grindfest2015Edited by DDuke on December 29, 2014 4:30PM19 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭@GreyBrow as long as you , and the others who will do this , do not use exploits to progress in the champion system I wish you the best of luck , doing it the right way should net you the advantage you want.
I would hope ZOS would take action against anybody who abuses any exploit to progress under the champion system by resetting them to level 1 . If you cheat you deserve to lose everything you "worked" for on all of your characters .14 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" bull#&*@.
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on grindfest 2015
I'm right there with ya, maybe i'll Dust off my Original VR14 main (Kotaro Atani is back) and not my ALT Duplicate I am leveling, just to prove a damn point..Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.7 -
NukeAllTheThings✭✭✭✭✭Count me in as well."it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor6 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Champion Point doesn't make you happy.
But you are free to do what you want.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.3 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on grindfest 2015
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I am NOT a particularly big fan of grinding. but I want in I have worked very hard to get my main of the VR 13 and since I'm nearly at the top I'd like to stay there. so when you start your grinding group post it on here so others can join you.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain7 -
OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am currently leveling up alts up to lvl 50, and park them. Since I get bored with grinding, Im gonna equip full exploration traits in gear, and rush the quests.
They could balanced the way to earn CPs, if we got 1 or maybe even 5 CPs after special achievements, like monster hunter or daedric lord slayer. For those who already have those "hard to get/time consuming" achievements, they will get the CPs already when update 6 releases.
So there should be a capped number of champion points earned from grinding, pvp, achievements and quests.......... ......... ........ BUT its not, so prepare for grinding past NOOBS and own them and get the OP max champion points. Because I am home from work due to illness and get payed for playing 12 hours a day. I sometimes have to sleep with my gamer girlfriend who are OK with me playing. I am also drinking beer while playing on my awesome computer and will be enjoying my maxed out easy as pie champion points! snap snap snappedy snap.
So.. the one with this champion points idea, witch is great but will not work as perfectly as mine and others suggestions.. are they getting payed? In that case, LOL. It is just as stupid to give them money as it is to support religion. WE DONT BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES ! ! ! WE BELIEVE IN FACTS. AND THE FACT NOW, IS GRINDING!
Good post. Love it. One of my favorites.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends9 -
MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭danno816_ESO wrote: »Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.
Yeah, and according to ZOS it takes 20 hours to level on VR. Ever meet a grinder?
I won't be there with you guys as I'm one of the slackers that takes it slow.. But best of luck! The difference between VR14's and VR1's has and will always be there. Why? People like me diddle around, listen to the dialogue (not just speed read or skip).. And they grind/power level. Its fine with me. Play as you want
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭danno816_ESO wrote: »Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.
Yeah, and according to ZOS it takes 20 hours to level on VR. Ever meet a grinder?
Continually grinding means no enlightement. That means a default speed of one champion point every 4 hours. 3600*4=14400 hours to max CP.
However this is a grinder, so let's assume (extremely generous) that he acquires champion points at 10x the rate of a normal player. That still leaves him with 1440 hours of grind. Now, if we assume he basically makes this a second job, 8 hours a day, that's 1440/8=180 days.
That's half a year. Continuous grinding 8 hours a day, including weekends. Needless to say, i think the "should take 1-2 weeks lol" OP is going to be disapointed.9 -
NukeAllTheThings✭✭✭✭✭It will take much longer than 1-2 weeks without a doubt. But make no mistake....ZOS will have a ton of big screw ups just like the hundreds they had for the last 6 months. They will be pointed out on PTS and completely ignored as usual. There will be holes in their system and it will take them months to acknowledge them and months more to finally fix them. During that time there will be a ton of people power leveling and maximizing their CP gain. The people who think this massive update is going to be the cure to make everything great have obviously not paid attention since launch. Balance will be jacked up, game mechanics will be jacked up and xp/cp imbalance will be jacked up. The biggest problem ZOS faces now as opposed to launch is that you have a lot of pissed off people who are going to be hunting for these opportunities and will abuse the hell out of them."it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor5
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Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on grindfest 2015
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Go for it, I don't care what you do while I chill on the beaches at Melbourne.
You might have more CP´s than me when I return, but I have something else and this is a lovely tan and wonderful memories of a great time.
Edited by Audigy on December 29, 2014 7:45AM11 -
hutchinsonhatch✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on grindfest 2015
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We need even more punishment to get rid of people sharing your mindset.
Can I have your stuff?12 -
bosmern_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I already have a few tricks up my sleeve for getting CP points, It's a good thing I was paying attention during certain things. Hopefully it will be faster than questing (because I already did all quests and I know I wont be rewarded for those.)~Thallen~0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LOL, I have burnt a frightening number of hours on one character & feel somewhat bitter about that time being ignored for the purposes of CP - but since this was announced I am prepping 3 more to get as far as Molag Bal - then number 1 toon goes on hols for a bit when 1.6 hits.
If ZOS are already concerned that the disparity between 30CP and maybe 100CP is game breaking, they have to artificially speed up CP gain for occasional players and they have a system where you can get potentially thousands of the things then they are implementing a broken mechanic.1 -
Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭The very best of luck to you. I hope you will have a truly awesome time, doing this endless grinding.
Also, no one else gives a flying pink elephant, thanks.6 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭danno816_ESO wrote: »Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.
I won't be there with you guys as I'm one of the slackers that takes it slow.. But best of luck! The difference between VR14's and VR1's has and will always be there. Why? People like me diddle around, listen to the dialogue (not just speed read or skip).. And they grind/power level. Its fine with me. Play as you want
I've started resenting comments like this, this is my first MMO - I have played since early release and I hit VR9 & completed all quests just as the VR content was nerfed, the only bit of 'grinding' I did was from VR9-VR12 and then again to VR14 because I had no more quest content to complete at that time. My wife took the same approach. But even if I had just gained the XP from tooling around Craglorn/Eastmarch getting craft stuff, running a few Trials/DSA and PvP most days I would have easily hit the level cap by now.
The game has been live for 8 months and it doesn't take a power leveller to achieve top rank in that sort of time frame.
That is not to criticise people who haven't hit cap yet, it's a valid choice - but don't get all sniffy with people who have done the content as designed simply because you have not yet done so yourself.4 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭And this is why a horizontal progression system is maxed out at infinity and not some finite limit.
Their will always be the opportunity for exploitation to break the system.
No matter how clever you think your system to be.
Still...flog away as that progression path you are walking on gets more and more slippery. Each to their own.Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Valencer✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'll never understand this mindset. Regularly, players complain they can't and don't want to compete in endgame content until they're max rank, because the gap between VR1 and VR14 is too big.
Now Zenimax Online is going to equalize it across the board, opening up the whole game to every lvl 50 player out there (great!). And now you want to create an artificial barrier to entry again, by grinding 24/7 which you probably don't even enjoy doing.
Why can't we just have FUN with this new system?
Not even mentioning that we'll all still have our vet ranks between Update 6 and (probably) Update 7. This is all so petty.Edited by Valencer on December 29, 2014 11:17AM7 -
Keiffo✭✭✭There should be a close to perfect balance in CP gains between quests, grinding, pvp, dungeons. People shouldn't be forced to exclusively grind to get the most CP per day.3 -
Frenkthevile✭✭✭✭I'll never understand this mindset. Regularly, players complain they can't and don't want to compete in endgame content until they're max rank, because the gap between VR1 and VR14 is too big.
Now Zenimax Online is going to equalize it across the board, opening up the whole game to every lvl 50 player out there (great!). And now you want to create an artificial barrier to entry again, by grinding 24/7 which you probably don't even enjoy doing.
Why can't we just have FUN with this new system?
Not even mentioning that we'll all still have our vet ranks between Update 6 and (probably) Update 7. This is all so petty.
Go play GW2 if you want a game for ''commies'' where nobody needs to learn anything!!! I like Vertical progression as it is in ESO...play 3 alliance ONCE and you get to vr14 with no need to grind. Now the Champ system will be THE OPPOSITE. And players that have payed 7 months of sub will be PUNISHED for no reason.
Remove vr items scaling them to 50, remove some useless achievments...but do not stole my hard-gained XP, that' s stupid!
And btw, i feel really cheated...the ''we're tracking your xp'' was (at this point) quite an excuse to keep people subbed during the transition period!Edited by Frenkthevile on December 29, 2014 11:25AM12 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP you have my staff, daggers, bow, and my other staff, my other staff, oh yeah and my other staff.
Meaning once this hits, I will be a grindmonkey until the cows come home, because I dont care. =D@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Frenkthevile✭✭✭✭I'll never understand this mindset. Regularly, players complain they can't and don't want to compete in endgame content until they're max rank, because the gap between VR1 and VR14 is too big.
Now Zenimax Online is going to equalize it across the board, opening up the whole game to every lvl 50 player out there (great!). And now you want to create an artificial barrier to entry again, by grinding 24/7 which you probably don't even enjoy doing.
Why can't we just have FUN with this new system?
Not even mentioning that we'll all still have our vet ranks between Update 6 and (probably) Update 7. This is all so petty.
They are making this complicated.0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'll never understand this mindset. Regularly, players complain they can't and don't want to compete in endgame content until they're max rank, because the gap between VR1 and VR14 is too big.
Now Zenimax Online is going to equalize it across the board, opening up the whole game to every lvl 50 player out there (great!). And now you want to create an artificial barrier to entry again, by grinding 24/7 which you probably don't even enjoy doing.
Why can't we just have FUN with this new system?
Not even mentioning that we'll all still have our vet ranks between Update 6 and (probably) Update 7. This is all so petty.
Because humans compete.
People want to be the best in PvP, the fastest in trials, they want to complete DSA in hard mode and wear the title with pride - end game content is a hard balance, it must be potentially accessible to all but equally it should be hard to complete and require intelligent choices of gear and skills.
FUN in this context to some means being the best inPvP which requires certain playing choices. For others it means doing a few quests every couple of days and enjoying the story. For yet others it is repeatedly trying to get through Sanctum Ophidia until the succeed. For others it is crafting the best golden rare gear they can get. And so on and so on.
For some, maybe many, FUN is getting the best specced build in all of Tamriel and using it to do one or more of those other things.
Life is not about equalising everything and gaming should not be either, otherwise why bother to strive at all if all levels of input lead to the same level of result?8 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭count me in!
you have my support and i will be right there with you grinding in your group if you let me in.
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GreyBrow✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »count me in!
you have my support and i will be right there with you grinding in your group if you let me in.
Grindfest #2015
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