30 CP Debacle --- What I will be doing.

GreyBrow

My two cents: A plain and simple, irrefutable fact:

A VR1 does not deserve 30 CP, if 30 CP is the amount of CP that a person with three VR14s deserves.

To say otherwise is to say that someone who spent 100 hours playing deserves the same reward as someone who spent 1000 hours playing.

If you're going to sit there and tell me that you think the above statement is not true, then I'd really like to have the emperor skill line, even though I didn't put in the work required to get emperor.

Maybe if I QQ'd enough on the forums about a power gap and a disparity between Former emps and normal players I'd get my way. How about it guys? Emp buffs for everyone?

Please and thanks!

Faulgor

GreyBrow wrote: »

My two cents: A plain and simple, irrefutable fact:

A VR1 does not deserve 30 CP, if 30 CP is the amount of CP that a person with three VR14s deserves.

To say otherwise is to say that someone who spent 100 hours playing deserves the same reward as someone who spent 1000 hours playing.

Reward? What reward did your veteran ranks give you? They were mainly designed as gates for new gear, which nobody takes away from you.

If reward was really your problem, you should be angry that after vet ranks are removed, any level 50 character can wear the same gear you can wear right now at VR14. Which, looking at the forums currently, is probably what will happen.

GreyBrow

Read the post again. The "reward" to which I am referring are the champion points we were promised in exchange for continuing to complete quests and do content after VR14

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Guppet

This has the potential to be one of the funniest things ever in an MMO. Please do it. Its going to be like an endurance race to see who can get furthest into they system the fastest, the reality is people will drop out one by one as they realise the utter futility of it.

So long as you all realise if end up too powerful for any future content, you intentionally ruined the difficulty for yourselves. Diminishing returns should stop you pulling away too far though.

So people go from raging they will quit to playing the game like mad men, yeah this decision sure hurt ZOS's profit margin. ZOS called your bluff they were right to do so it seems lol.

Also, you might want to not overly publicise what you are doing, as that's the surest way to get ZOS to put a cap on what you can earn in any given timescale.

Cuyler

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

danno816_ESO wrote: »

GreyBrow wrote: »

Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).

More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).

That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.

I won't be there with you guys as I'm one of the slackers that takes it slow.. But best of luck! The difference between VR14's and VR1's has and will always be there. Why? People like me diddle around, listen to the dialogue (not just speed read or skip).. And they grind/power level. Its fine with me. Play as you want

I've started resenting comments like this, this is my first MMO - I have played since early release and I hit VR9 & completed all quests just as the VR content was nerfed, the only bit of 'grinding' I did was from VR9-VR12 and then again to VR14 because I had no more quest content to complete at that time. My wife took the same approach. But even if I had just gained the XP from tooling around Craglorn/Eastmarch getting craft stuff, running a few Trials/DSA and PvP most days I would have easily hit the level cap by now.

The game has been live for 8 months and it doesn't take a power leveller to achieve top rank in that sort of time frame.

That is not to criticise people who haven't hit cap yet, it's a valid choice - but don't get all sniffy with people who have done the content as designed simply because you have not yet done so yourself.

I grind. I didn't feel that comment was sniffy at all, more considerate of the situation if anything. They even said the famous "play as you want", "it's fine by me", etc. I took it as they were agreeing that the disparity will always exist and this "balancing" is an unnecessary pipe dream.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

GreyBrow wrote: »

Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?

Sure.

You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?

Okay.

Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?

Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).

Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌?

I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].

The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.

You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.

Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.

Who else wants in on #grindfest2015

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Grindapaplooza!!!

Serously though while I get your point, I have a sneaking suspicion that this champ system is just a way to make everyone very close to the same regardless of how much CP you grind. it's an illusion of vertical progression.

But you are correct, those who want everything and not work for it will still whine that they can't handle pve content and get pwned in pvp.

OrphanHelgen

Zorrashi wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

GreyBrow wrote: »

Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?

Sure.

You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?

Okay.

Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?

Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).

Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌?

I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].

The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.

You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.

Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.

Who else wants in on #grindfest2015

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Considering if you grind 24/7 at 4 hours per CP, it will take around 600 days to reach the max CP.... I doubt it...

Let's say you find a way to grind one CP every hour, it's still 150 FULL days
(meaning 150 X 24 hours) to get the 3600 total points...

Even if you find a way to get a CP every 20 minutes, it's still 45 FULL days
(meaning 45 X 24 hours) to cap the champion system...

With a CP every 10 minutes, it's STILL 22,5 FULL days
(meaning 22,5 X 24 hours) to cap the system.



Let's take Krundzelft as an example. Right now, you get 19 000 XP for... about 2 minutes with loading screen to come in, come back out again and repeat ?

Assuming the times/XP ZOS told us are right (one VR takes 10 hours and 1 CP takes 4 hours... lol at 10 hours per VR though...) that would put one CP at around 400 000 XP.

400 000 / 19 000 = 21 (rounded)

21 X 2 minutes = 42 minutes per CP.

42 minutes X 3600 CP = 151 200 minutes to cap the system.

That's 2520 hours...

That's 105 FULL days (105 times a full 24 hours of pure Rkundzelft grinding)



Your theory of two weeks to cap the system(I will spare you one week, it's just ridiculous) :

Two weeks = 14 days = 336 hours

3600 / 336 hours = 10,71 CP per hour required

10,71 CP = 60 minutes
1 CP = X

1 X 60 / 10,71 = 5,6 minutes

For your theory to realize, you'd need to gain one CP every 5,6 minutes 24 hours a day during 14 days...

Good luck with that

I will congratulate you if you do it, but there's just no chances lol...

I've seen grinders do amazing things. Remember when the lvl cap was raised from VR12 to VR14? People managed to reach the new cap in less than a day. I have heard of others who managed to go from lvl1 to VR 14 in a matter of weeks. It would not surprise me if grinders, through their vast unofficial network of posters and sharers, will scour the game in search of a new spot in which they will accumulate XP (or CP in this case) faster than normal.

Normally the math would be more than reassuring, but given how new systems like these are full of bugs and potential exploits, there is little doubt in my mind they will be found and abused to the point where the gain is irrevocable before ZOS does anything about it.

But still, the enlightenment system overall does have some potential if it works properly.

So two veteran ranks in less then a day is not amazing. I got from 12 to 14 in 4 hours. Was drunk too.

arena25

I'm confused. What is going on? And what in the name of Sheogorath is the OP trying to say?

PBpsy

I will be there.
I will bring the bacon cake.


and the awesome grinding music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjbg_Rfka58

The_Drexill

In DAoC I'd jump around the borderkeep for an hour waiting to build a decent group to pvp with. In WoW, I sit in my garrison afk'ing.

Why whine about having *something* to do in ESO? I have the VR12-14's too, tons of played time... 30cp is a godsend. If you cap me, I'll just quit again out of boredom.

Razzak

The best option would probably be something that ZOS was counting on the most. One char at VR14, one at VR1. When 1.6 lands, you start levelling VR1 char with those starting 30 CPs. By the time you get that char to VR14, you will have accumulated all quest points and thus have them on that old VR14 as well.

Imo, Sage thought we would be doing it this way, but sadly he doesn't play ESO. So he can't fathom how unfriendly this game is to alts, if you already have one or few VR14s.

Just another proof they are developing this game primarily based on spreadsheet data.

Nazon_Katts

The worst part is that they're replacing a long grind with an even longer grind. While there may be diminishing returns, it still remains vertical progression and people will pursue it. Resetting everyone wasn't particularly clever, nonetheless.

#grindfest2015