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30 CP Debacle --- What I will be doing.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i dont want to do this and i HATE the idea but i have realy no choice in the matter because i completed ALL the quests including all 3 alliances and finished all the content in "most" of all the accomplishments in order to get the titles and exp i have currently on my v14.
since zen refuses to reward my exp and trade it for champion points and try to force me to make a new level one character to be competitive with the vet level 1ns because gave them same cs as me? and make it so i cannot earn any new champion points because all the quests are non-repeatable, then this GrindFest #2015 is saddly all thats left for me unless i want to make a bran new character, and trust me i DO NOT want to redo and remake a new character.Edited by Gilvoth on December 29, 2014 12:47PM5 -
Valencer✭✭✭✭✭
✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Because humans compete.
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For some, maybe many, FUN is getting the best specced build in all of Tamriel and using it to do one or more of those other things.
Life is not about equalising everything and gaming should not be either, otherwise why bother to strive at all if all levels of input lead to the same level of result?
I think games should reward effort, certainly.
For a lot of people, ESO (right now) is about getting to VR14 ASAP so you can actually start doing endgame content properly. Thus Veteran Ranks are useless because anything sub-VR14 is considered not optimal and undesired and veteran Ranks are just an unwanted bit of very slow (but small) progression that is seen as being mandatory to get to the "good part".
The Champion System is doomed to fail too, if we all go in with the mindset of having to "complete" it as quickly as possible AND if that's actually allowed by the system
Is that really the future we want for the game? Needing to grind out CP to actually be allowed into groups?![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
I don't want a game where no effort is required to succeed or "beat" other players, but I'd prefer if more emphasis was placed on factors like skill, knowledge and coordination (for group play) instead of just grinding more hours.
Then a deep progression system with very small incremental upgrades to your stats could be there while you're actually playing the game, doing what you want to be doing, to give you some progression during endgame and something to shoot for. It's not that hard to imagine how that could work and I'm still hoping that's actually going to be what the Champion System will do for ESO.
Edited by Valencer on December 29, 2014 12:40PM5 -
Ethona✭✭✭danno816_ESO wrote: »Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.
Yeah, and according to ZOS it takes 20 hours to level on VR. Ever meet a grinder?
Continually grinding means no enlightement. That means a default speed of one champion point every 4 hours. 3600*4=14400 hours to max CP.
However this is a grinder, so let's assume (extremely generous) that he acquires champion points at 10x the rate of a normal player. That still leaves him with 1440 hours of grind. Now, if we assume he basically makes this a second job, 8 hours a day, that's 1440/8=180 days.
That's half a year. Continuous grinding 8 hours a day, including weekends. Needless to say, i think the "should take 1-2 weeks lol" OP is going to be disapointed.
LOL i play this game 14 to 18 hours a day. sometimes less though but yea whatever. I'm not sure how enlightenment works, but I'm guessing if you have 8 chars at VR ... once you spent it on one you just switch to another? Maybe someone can clear that up. One thing for sure though... no amount of free CP to the normal players will EVER EVER EVER put them on par with a grinder. Within the first month the gap will be just as wide between us. I play once to take in the game and exp it! However the army of alts I make afterwards speed through the quests and levels fast as I can click and I have about 50 AA batteries next to my mouse.7 -
xarguideb17_ESO✭✭✭Good thinking. You don't even have to stand up to change batteries on your mouse. Basically like changing a mag in CoD. No time goes to waste.4 -
xarguideb17_ESO✭✭✭There always has been and always will be a crazy grinder living somewhere in bag end.
Let them grind.
This is why they designed champion system with diminishing returns.
The gap between casual players and grinders won't be that dramatic.
Skill is more important.
Don't worry so much, people. Just make sure you go to PTS and test this stuff. I intend to. I gotta figure out which build I'm going to play, since they changed every skill.
Exciting times are ahead in January.4 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Because humans compete.
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For some, maybe many, FUN is getting the best specced build in all of Tamriel and using it to do one or more of those other things.
Life is not about equalising everything and gaming should not be either, otherwise why bother to strive at all if all levels of input lead to the same level of result?
I think games should reward effort, certainly.
For a lot of people, ESO (right now) is about getting to VR14 ASAP so you can actually start doing endgame content properly. Thus Veteran Ranks are useless because anything sub-VR14 is considered not optimal and undesired and veteran Ranks are just an unwanted bit of very slow (but small) progression that is seen as being mandatory to get to the "good part".
The Champion System is doomed to fail too, if we all go in with the mindset of having to "complete" it as quickly as possible AND if that's actually allowed by the system
Is that really the future we want for the game? Needing to grind out CP to actually be allowed into groups?
I don't want a game where no effort is required to succeed or "beat" other players, but I'd prefer if more emphasis was placed on factors like skill, knowledge and coordination (for group play) instead of just grinding more hours.
Then a deep progression system with very small incremental upgrades to your stats could be there while you're actually playing the game, doing what you want to be doing, to give you some progression during endgame and something to shoot for. It's not that hard to imagine how that could work and I'm still hoping that's actually going to be what the Champion System will do for ESO.
A lot for me to agree with there.
Lets face it people level to V14 asap so they can be competitive because otherwise they are under powered compared to V14s.
V14s then want that crutch they built and will fight tooth and nail to keep it. Even though that vet system has to go.
Vet depends on bigger numbers to succeed...CS depends on more varied skills and player skill itself to win. Its a shame so many V14s players still feel they need that crutch to be competitive.
Part of the problem...
INDIVIDUAL power vs GROUP power.
1-50 should have been all about increasing individual power/skills (solo play xp).
50+ should have been all about increasing group power/skills (group play xp).
Instead we got a two tier solo progression system.
This then would allow solo play and group play, lots of character progression & then 50+ content for solo play endgame or group development.
You could also have a 1-50 group skill development with its own endgame too.
Hence..
Stage 1 = 1-50 solo development (solo xp & skills)
Stage 2 = 50+ solo endgame & 50+ group development (group xp and skills)
Stage 3 = 50+ group endgame
So individually no one gained power beyond 50 (passive active or otherwise).
BUT as a group you could have gained a whole new set of group dependant XP and skills at 50+
These solo and group development systems could have been completely isolated with solo development based on generic jack of all trade skills and group play based on specialist interdependant skills. Which could have opended the door for restoration/destruction/alteration schools etc and there physical counterparts as new trees. Undaunted should have been a "group only" tree. Fighter and Mages guild "solo only" trees.
The toughest question is peoples opinion on progession.
1. Should people develop a limited choice of passive/active until level 50 with their character finalised. Respec if you arent happy or build an alt ? ie Unique characters (1-50 system without extra shards).
2. Should people be allowed to progress a character until they have all available passives/skills of a finite system ? ie clones (Vet + current CS).
3. Should people be able to develop all skills but make it take an eternity so they have to prioritise which are most important and be limited to some degree ? (What I expected from CS)Edited by Rune_Relic on December 29, 2014 3:22PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited4 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Didn't they say they are adjusting it to where you get roughly the same champion point progress by PvPing and doing other things you enjoy doing as you would grinding?
I realize that is a lofty goal that would be hard to realize but if it is even close; I would rather enjoy the game doing what I want, rather than grind just to prove some sort of point. Especially when they are making the more points you spend in something have diminishing returns, and they are adding their form or rested gains to the game, which it sounds like you can build up even while crafting or doing something non-combat in game.
FWIW; for these reasons, I also do not think it would be a big deal to give VR+ characters 1 extra CP per vr level at the very least. Maybe not in 1.6 when VR levels still exist, but if/when they ever fully remove veteran ranks.Edited by technohic on December 29, 2014 3:11PM0 -
RDMyers65b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭With the diminishing returns on champion points all that the grinders will accomplish is accumulating in game time as the difference between a 1.5% increase in hit points and a 1.6% increase is just 0.1%. So very minor. In the grand scheme of the champion system, grinders will only hurt themselves. So, let them grind all they want. The more points that they get, the less effective they become. Isn't that what the numbers game is about? Isn't that why people min/max or use certain builds, to be the most effective?
Go ahead and grind away. When bouncing virtual dice, 95.8 on a d100 is just the same as 95.3. So good luck trying to make that happen.
(No, I didn't just pull those numbers out of a hat. First point is a 1%, so it goes to 99% instead of 100%. The next is 0.9% so 98.1%. 0.8 drops it to 97.3%. 0.7 is 96.4%. 0.6 means 95.8%. 0.5 is only 95.3%. 0.4 will only make it 94.9%. 0.3 drops the total to 94.6%. 0.2 = 94.4%. Wanna guess the difference a 0.1% makes?)Edited by RDMyers65b14_ESO on December 29, 2014 4:11PM4 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
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Ahahahahahahahahah. Well I wish you luck then, since it's you know, mathematically impossible to cap the entirety of the Champion System in 1-2 weeks. So grind away and enjoy how you don't actually pull so far ahead that you are somehow OP beyond measure since you obviously don't understand how DR works and once you get beyond the first 50 or so points in any Star each subsequent point becomes even more meaningless.Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).1 -
arena25✭✭✭✭✭Hold on...I'm confused. What's going on? And what in the name of Sheogorath is CP?If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!3 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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This is a great idea. Let's bust our asses to put the new system to use and act like that isn't exactly what ZOS wants us to do with the new system.
Count me in."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Mud_Puppy✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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I think you just said what most of us have been trying to find the words for.
/kill4 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I fear it will be the only way, since Zos is screwing its loyal players in the bumbum hole again, I spend alot of time on my 2 v14 char (cadwells gold on both) since I'm not a big fan of grinding, and now Zos decides to throw that all through the window, all the time spent, wasted.... so I'm forced to grind
please have the decency to put on a rubber first next time zos before screwing us... again -_-Haze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
Red Diamond, Protect us 'til the end (EU EP Thorn)3 -
Pallmor✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not going to be doing anything, because I unsubbed last week. I won't even be thinking about coming back until all this Champion System stuff shakes out completely (which looks to be somewhere around update 1.8 or 1.9). I'm not going to waste my remaining silver and gold quests until CS is implemented. And I'm sure not paying $15/month to farm motifs and play around in Cyrodill.8 -
Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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^ ^ ^ ^
And then you wonder why the CP was put into place after those 1-2 weeks will you find the game fun and enjoyable still?
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MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »danno816_ESO wrote: »Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
More power to you. But with 3600 points 1-2 weeks won't be close to enough to max out the system (they said about 1 hour per point I believe).
That is around 150 days if you played 24/7.
I won't be there with you guys as I'm one of the slackers that takes it slow.. But best of luck! The difference between VR14's and VR1's has and will always be there. Why? People like me diddle around, listen to the dialogue (not just speed read or skip).. And they grind/power level. Its fine with me. Play as you want
I've started resenting comments like this, this is my first MMO - I have played since early release and I hit VR9 & completed all quests just as the VR content was nerfed, the only bit of 'grinding' I did was from VR9-VR12 and then again to VR14 because I had no more quest content to complete at that time. My wife took the same approach. But even if I had just gained the XP from tooling around Craglorn/Eastmarch getting craft stuff, running a few Trials/DSA and PvP most days I would have easily hit the level cap by now.
The game has been live for 8 months and it doesn't take a power leveller to achieve top rank in that sort of time frame.
That is not to criticise people who haven't hit cap yet, it's a valid choice - but don't get all sniffy with people who have done the content as designed simply because you have not yet done so yourself.
I'm sorry. I did not intend to be sniffy in any way shape or form. I'm proud of those people who have hit cap - no matter how they achieved it. You are correct that it is a choice. If I wanted to hit cap I could have chosen not to play other toons, and I also would have a VR14, but I CHOSE to also level other toons. I should have worded it differently... I focused on the power levelling/grinding comment due to the content of the opening post.
"Why? People like me diddle around, listen to the dialogue (which takes longer than reading it); And they grind/power level, play all on one toon, spend more time on the game, play as intended but may be better/more efficient than I, CHOSE to reach max level etc. Its fine with me. Play as you want" Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord1 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭I will not partake in grinding, dear sir. But I wish you luck. But be weary. We know not what ZOS will do if the force you present is too great. Divines save us if they decide to do something drastic.5 -
radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Watch out, my friend ... At Z, Game Grinds YOU!
"Billions upon Billions of Stars"3 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »@GreyBrow as long as you , and the others who will do this , do not use exploits to progress in the champion system I wish you the best of luck , doing it the right way should net you the advantage you want.
I would hope ZOS would take action against anybody who abuses any exploit to progress under the champion system by resetting them to level 1 . If you cheat you deserve to lose everything you "worked" for on all of your characters .
What exploit did he talk about? Nice job denigrating him for absolutely no reason.2 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭I'll never understand this mindset. Regularly, players complain they can't and don't want to compete in endgame content until they're max rank, because the gap between VR1 and VR14 is too big.
Now Zenimax Online is going to equalize it across the board, opening up the whole game to every lvl 50 player out there (great!). And now you want to create an artificial barrier to entry again, by grinding 24/7 which you probably don't even enjoy doing.
Why can't we just have FUN with this new system?
Not even mentioning that we'll all still have our vet ranks between Update 6 and (probably) Update 7. This is all so petty.
I was going to respond to this in a thoughtful, metered manner.
Then I decided you haven't decided to read the countless other threads about the fact that your beloved ZOS has lied about their intentions and implementation of their new system.
It's evident that they are making very serious decisions on the fly... which means the end result will be... well.. pretty much what we have, just in a different dress.5 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@GreyBrow...let me see if I understand the thrust of your original post...
You're upset about the leveling of the playing field between vets and noobs and so your threat to ZOS is, "I'm going to KEEP playing your game! In fact Imma spend so much time doing exactly that that I'll quickly re-establish the gap you are attempting to close with your puny CP system!" That about it?
Don't get me wrong, I only have a Vet 5 and I'm still appalled by the prospect of what it SEEMS that CP is going to do to the Vet 14s out there. But..I jusy gotta say I don't think your threat is going to have ZOS shaking in their boots.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!8 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »@GreyBrow...let me see if I understand the thrust of your original post...
You're upset about the leveling of the playing field between vets and noobs and so your threat to ZOS is, "I'm going to KEEP playing your game! In fact Imma spend so much time doing exactly that that I'll quickly re-establish the gap you are attempting to close with your puny CP system!" That about it?
Don't get me wrong, I only have a Vet 5 and I'm still appalled by the prospect of what it SEEMS that CP is going to do to the Vet 14s out there. But..I jusy gotta say I don't think your threat is going to have ZOS shaking in their boots.
A lot of us don't even care about the gap or lack of gap or whatever (it's an mmo... someone will always have more crap than you, right?).
We care that they constantly lie about what their intentions are. That's gotten beyond old.6 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »@GreyBrow...let me see if I understand the thrust of your original post...
You're upset about the leveling of the playing field between vets and noobs and so your threat to ZOS is, "I'm going to KEEP playing your game! In fact Imma spend so much time doing exactly that that I'll quickly re-establish the gap you are attempting to close with your puny CP system!" That about it?
Don't get me wrong, I only have a Vet 5 and I'm still appalled by the prospect of what it SEEMS that CP is going to do to the Vet 14s out there. But..I jusy gotta say I don't think your threat is going to have ZOS shaking in their boots.
A lot of us don't even care about the gap or lack of gap or whatever (it's an mmo... someone will always have more crap than you, right?).
We care that they constantly lie about what their intentions are. That's gotten beyond old.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
Though...I guess that wouldn't make anyone feel much better would it?PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!4 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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Considering if you grind 24/7 at 4 hours per CP, it will take around 600 days to reach the max CP.... I doubt it...
Let's say you find a way to grind one CP every hour, it's still 150 FULL days
(meaning 150 X 24 hours) to get the 3600 total points...
Even if you find a way to get a CP every 20 minutes, it's still 45 FULL days
(meaning 45 X 24 hours) to cap the champion system...
With a CP every 10 minutes, it's STILL 22,5 FULL days
(meaning 22,5 X 24 hours) to cap the system.
Let's take Krundzelft as an example. Right now, you get 19 000 XP for... about 2 minutes with loading screen to come in, come back out again and repeat ?
Assuming the times/XP ZOS told us are right (one VR takes 10 hours and 1 CP takes 4 hours... lol at 10 hours per VR though...) that would put one CP at around 400 000 XP.
400 000 / 19 000 = 21 (rounded)
21 X 2 minutes = 42 minutes per CP.
42 minutes X 3600 CP = 151 200 minutes to cap the system.
That's 2520 hours...
That's 105 FULL days (105 times a full 24 hours of pure Rkundzelft grinding)
Your theory of two weeks to cap the system(I will spare you one week, it's just ridiculous) :
Two weeks = 14 days = 336 hours
3600 / 336 hours = 10,71 CP per hour required
10,71 CP = 60 minutes
1 CP = X
1 X 60 / 10,71 = 5,6 minutes
For your theory to realize, you'd need to gain one CP every 5,6 minutes 24 hours a day during 14 days...
Good luck with that
I will congratulate you if you do it, but there's just no chances lol...
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Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Considering if you grind 24/7 at 4 hours per CP, it will take around 600 days to reach the max CP.... I doubt it...
Let's say you find a way to grind one CP every hour, it's still 150 FULL days
(meaning 150 X 24 hours) to get the 3600 total points...
Even if you find a way to get a CP every 20 minutes, it's still 45 FULL days
(meaning 45 X 24 hours) to cap the champion system...
With a CP every 10 minutes, it's STILL 22,5 FULL days
(meaning 22,5 X 24 hours) to cap the system.
Let's take Krundzelft as an example. Right now, you get 19 000 XP for... about 2 minutes with loading screen to come in, come back out again and repeat ?
Assuming the times/XP ZOS told us are right (one VR takes 10 hours and 1 CP takes 4 hours... lol at 10 hours per VR though...) that would put one CP at around 400 000 XP.
400 000 / 19 000 = 21 (rounded)
21 X 2 minutes = 42 minutes per CP.
42 minutes X 3600 CP = 151 200 minutes to cap the system.
That's 2520 hours...
That's 105 FULL days (105 times a full 24 hours of pure Rkundzelft grinding)
Your theory of two weeks to cap the system(I will spare you one week, it's just ridiculous) :
Two weeks = 14 days = 336 hours
3600 / 336 hours = 10,71 CP per hour required
10,71 CP = 60 minutes
1 CP = X
1 X 60 / 10,71 = 5,6 minutes
For your theory to realize, you'd need to gain one CP every 5,6 minutes 24 hours a day during 14 days...
Good luck with that
I will congratulate you if you do it, but there's just no chances lol...
I've seen grinders do amazing things. Remember when the lvl cap was raised from VR12 to VR14? People managed to reach the new cap in less than a day. I have heard of others who managed to go from lvl1 to VR 14 in a matter of weeks. It would not surprise me if grinders, through their vast unofficial network of posters and sharers, will scour the game in search of a new spot in which they will accumulate XP (or CP in this case) faster than normal.
Normally the math would be more than reassuring, but given how new systems like these are full of bugs and potential exploits, there is little doubt in my mind they will be found and abused to the point where the gain is irrevocable before ZOS does anything about it.
But still, the enlightenment system overall does have some potential if it works properly.0 -
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All it takes will be a one-liner bug in the right place of the server code. As a MUD administrator I would never say that something is not going to happen - there are just players out there that can find the weak spot within seconds. I would hire these as testers on the spot.Averya_Teira wrote: »Zeni wants to level the playing field between vets and noobs?
Sure.
You want to punish people who have been loyally paying you for months in the hopes of attracting new players who will play for 2 weeks and then unsub?
Okay.
Guess what I'll be doing the minute the patch is released on Live?
Grinding. My friends and I are going to grind like we've never ground before, until we max out the CP system (should take 1-2 weeks, lol).
Guess what, @ZOS_GinaBruno?
I'm gonna have ALLLLL the CP, and everyone else will have like 40, ensuring that the disparity between vet14 and vet1 stays in place, totally nullifying your "30 CP for everyone!" [snip].
The reason some people have 3-4 VR14's and some have 1 VR1 is that the VR14's put more work in, and they always will. Your attempt to bring us down is just sad and pathetic.
You might as well have given me a fair amount of CP, like you said you would, because the only thing you've really done is ensure that i'll have to waste some of my time grinding out those CP that you should have given to me in the first place.
Then, a month after release of 1.6, you'll see threads on here about how OP "250 CP players" are, and how VR1s with 45 CP can't compete.
Who else wants in on #grindfest2015
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Considering if you grind 24/7 at 4 hours per CP, it will take around 600 days to reach the max CP.... I doubt it...
Let's say you find a way to grind one CP every hour, it's still 150 FULL days
(meaning 150 X 24 hours) to get the 3600 total points...
Even if you find a way to get a CP every 20 minutes, it's still 45 FULL days
(meaning 45 X 24 hours) to cap the champion system...
With a CP every 10 minutes, it's STILL 22,5 FULL days
(meaning 22,5 X 24 hours) to cap the system.
Let's take Krundzelft as an example. Right now, you get 19 000 XP for... about 2 minutes with loading screen to come in, come back out again and repeat ?
Assuming the times/XP ZOS told us are right (one VR takes 10 hours and 1 CP takes 4 hours... lol at 10 hours per VR though...) that would put one CP at around 400 000 XP.
400 000 / 19 000 = 21 (rounded)
21 X 2 minutes = 42 minutes per CP.
42 minutes X 3600 CP = 151 200 minutes to cap the system.
That's 2520 hours...
That's 105 FULL days (105 times a full 24 hours of pure Rkundzelft grinding)
Your theory of two weeks to cap the system(I will spare you one week, it's just ridiculous) :
Two weeks = 14 days = 336 hours
3600 / 336 hours = 10,71 CP per hour required
10,71 CP = 60 minutes
1 CP = X
1 X 60 / 10,71 = 5,6 minutes
For your theory to realize, you'd need to gain one CP every 5,6 minutes 24 hours a day during 14 days...
Good luck with that
I will congratulate you if you do it, but there's just no chances lol...
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xarguideb17_ESO✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »Even if you find a way to get a CP every 20 minutes, it's still 45 FULL days
(meaning 45 X 24 hours) to cap the champion system...
You got that part wrong though, unless in your world 20 minutes = 0.3 * 1h. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QFb8JrKRE
It's bad that they lied about tracking our exp.
It's ok to me that they want to balance 50+ players and content.
It's great that they rebalance the game, finally ults can be affected by stamina and we can get stamina morphs to class skills!
They are working to get it better and I think they are slowly succeeding.
Who knows, they might change their mind about how much players get CP when VR disappears. This stuff isn't even in PTS yet.Edited by xarguideb17_ESO on December 30, 2014 8:25AM0 -
MornaBaine wrote: »@GreyBrow...let me see if I understand the thrust of your original post...
You're upset about the leveling of the playing field between vets and noobs and so your threat to ZOS is, "I'm going to KEEP playing your game! In fact Imma spend so much time doing exactly that that I'll quickly re-establish the gap you are attempting to close with your puny CP system!" That about it?
Don't get me wrong, I only have a Vet 5 and I'm still appalled by the prospect of what it SEEMS that CP is going to do to the Vet 14s out there. But..I jusy gotta say I don't think your threat is going to have ZOS shaking in their boots.
im with this guy/chick..... if you are going to "stick it to the man" you are gonna have to unsub. otherwise, the bank still takes money thats coated in bitternessI will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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GreyBrow✭✭✭✭The biggest question:
If the CP system is really a diminishing returns system, where 1000 CP only makes you ~ 5% better than 100 CP, why does
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Care about how many CP they give us at the start?
If the system is designed properly, giving the VR14's with 100 days played a fair and equitable amount of CP at launch shouldn't make a bit of difference, because within 3 months, the players who want 1000 CP will have 1000 CP regardless.
All @ZOS_GinaBruno is doing is:
Showing us that @ZOS doesn't keep promises, lies, views VR14 endgame players with contempt, etc., etc.,, all for no reason
Why is there no reason to withhold the CP you promised we would get?
Because we will get the CP eventually, and the power gap will remain. All you're doing is postponing the gap for a couple months, at best, and royally pissing off quite a few LOYAL, long suffering players.
Edited by GreyBrow on December 30, 2014 1:02PM2