Such an original thread!

Use the search function, this has been discussed to death over and over.

I woke up this morning and decided to make a suggestion that has 0% chance of ever happening.

Indeed. You should read through past discussions about this topic and make a new thread (or necro an old one) if you have something new to add. If you don't have anything new to add, well there really isn't much point in beating a dead horse.

What I would like to see is the removal of this annoying triad (meat shield, dps, healer) group set up. Where a number of people can group and do a instance without the annoyance of who is tanking dpsing or healing.

Giving everyone access to all the class moves at once would be a disaster; if people are crying "nerf" NOW, just imagine how useless all the attacks/heals would have to be in order to keep everything some semblance of balanced. Ugh, total nightmare.

If anything, I'd like the ability to change classes, but only a limited number of times. Something like, at Cadwell's Silver, you get 2 class tokens - you can use each one to switch classes once (so if you don't like what you pick, you can pick something else or switch back to what you had). At Gold, same thing - 2 tokens. If you squander them, you're finished; end of the line. (I'd even say make them character-bound, so there's no gaming the system).

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Or just level an Alt... once Vet levels are removed it won't take very long anyway.

Always an option, but once you play what's essentially the same character 3-4 times, the game turns less "game" and more "boring, tedious job." Opening up other classes would make things less annoying overall (but I doubt they'll ever do it).

Peteris wrote: »

Well... subj.
It would be nice to get rid of mechanism that has no place in elder scroll games (never had and never will) - classes. Just make all class lines available to everybody.
BTW - it might surprise you in form of people loosing reason to complain about OP classes as they will have access to same skills and will be able take whatever damn OP skill they like.

Up until Skyrim there where template classes and after Arena a custom class where you choice which ten skills you would start with. There was still "classes" in Skyrim you just developed them as you went along.
With the advent of the Champion system and coming "soon" spell crafting the class roles will become more spread out resulting in more diverse builds.

Peteris wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Such an original thread!

Use the search function, this has been discussed to death over and over.

Obviously not enough since that has not been done.
And although I am grateful for your wise advice you are missing point for making this thread.

Wait you think that something gets done if there's enough threads about the topic?

Noooooooooooooo

Just because a small handful of people are all "klasses R dum, tkae them way!" doesn't mean it'll work in an MMO format.

This game is unlike any ES game ever made, or ever to be made for that matter. You can't quote prior games as evidence to prove your desire.

no just no.

I could dig the idea in part. Maybe make it so that you could change skill lines easily enough but not mix and match them 100%? Maybe some skill point handicap if you mix and match skill lines? 1 point per skill if you build one line, but for every skill you choose outside of your skill line it costs 3?

That would make people choose between specializing or taking a hit in order to spread things out.

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Peteris wrote: »

Well... subj.
It would be nice to get rid of mechanism that has no place in elder scroll games (never had and never will) - classes. Just make all class lines available to everybody.
BTW - it might surprise you in form of people loosing reason to complain about OP classes as they will have access to same skills and will be able take whatever damn OP skill they like.

Up until Skyrim there where template classes and after Arena a custom class where you choice which ten skills you would start with. There was still "classes" in Skyrim you just developed them as you went along.
With the advent of the Champion system and coming "soon" spell crafting the class roles will become more spread out resulting in more diverse builds.

Where do you people get this "spellcrafting" thing? As far as I know spellcrafting is somewhere in the dumpster between half eaten bana and community tears.

It was announced at Quake con and ZoS has confirmed it for 2015.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

So basically, you want everyone to be a DK, because that's 99% of the skills that everyone would be loading onto their bar. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE would have the exact same cookie cutter build and skills in PvP. How fun....

and thats the point. Shows how well balanced the game is if "everyone" would pack DK skills.
The difference is everyone can now be OP....balance is restored

Should ZOS actually feel the need to balance all skills....then one would not be favoured over another. It would just come down to visual preference or playstyle preference.

Of course you cant balance skills if there is only positive and no negative.

Classes allow you to have strong skills and weak skills. It allows you to balance packages of skills as a whole, instead of having to balance every single skill by itself against every other skill; resulting in homogeneity.

People seem to be operating under the delusion that a classless system produces diversity. It doesn't, it kills it. While too much restriction isn't good, some restriction is required to promote diversity and balance.

In a single player game, which TES has traditionally been, diversity is not important because as far as you're concerned there is only ever one character, one build. Balance likewise is not a huge concern. But ESO is an MMO, and in MMO-land diversity and balance are everything.

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

So basically, you want everyone to be a DK, because that's 99% of the skills that everyone would be loading onto their bar. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE would have the exact same cookie cutter build and skills in PvP. How fun....

and thats the point. Shows how well balanced the game is if "everyone" would pack DK skills.
The difference is everyone can now be OP....balance is restored

Should ZOS actually feel the need to balance all skills....then one would not be favoured over another. It would just come down to visual preference or playstyle preference.

Of course you cant balance skills if there is only positive and no negative.

Classes allow you to have strong skills and weak skills. It allows you to balance packages of skills as a whole, instead of having to balance every single skill by itself against every other skill; resulting in homogeneity.

People seem to be operating under the delusion that a classless system produces diversity. It doesn't, it kills it. While too much restriction isn't good, some restriction is required to promote diversity and balance.

In a single player game, which TES has traditionally been, diversity is not important because as far as you're concerned there is only ever one character, one build. Balance likewise is not a huge concern. But ESO is an MMO, and in MMO-land diversity and balance are everything.

...and everyone ignores the weak skills. Hence ZOS making them more meaningful in 1.6

A classless system could lead to FOTM builds..yes. I give you that.
But a class system gives you 4x FOTM builds ...one of which is always OP.

FOTM vs Balance.

Personally I would rather have balance....then try to fix any FOTM issues rather than have OP class builds that are forever unbalanced.

Of course FOTM builds is better than cookie cutters. But thats a skill balance issue rather than a class balance issue.

Not everyone wants to be DPS
Not everyone wants to be Tank
Not everyone wants to be Healer.
There will always be diversity in a classless system and everyone will mix and match there own playstyle/skill given the option.

Like now there are a few FOTM DK builds.....but there are also 100's of unique DK builds with there own subtle twists. It would be no different with a classless system...except you will have many more skills to choose from to make those individuals even more unique

A class system is by its very nature..restrictive or limiting.

OP should go back to playing Skyrim. He clearly has no idea what an MMO is.