What I want to know is how does a trading guild make 280,000 from guild store cuts in a week? I can see a guild subsidizing the kiosk somewhat for the good of the guild, but I don't see how this is a sustainable model.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

So this week none of my 3 trading guilds have a trader.

One of them was ousted even though the bid was 280,000g in Wayrest

We don't need a system with so many barriers to effective trading.

This is a far cry from the assertion that not having an AH would create an egalitarian system.

So now my 3 trading guilds have no trader for a whole week, making less money, making it harder to bid, and inevitably losing members. Effectively these guilds now have no access to the open market.

The elite guilds control the market.

We just want to trade, buy & sell and not have to put so much effort into bidding, recruiting etc.

If we are not to have an AH the current system needs some serious reworking.

I'm sorry that the current system seems elitist to you. Maybe you should ask @ZOS to reset every player's gold as they did with veteran progression. This way the big bad trading guilds wouldn't have too much of an advantage and everyone would be equal.

edit: forgot to add a [/sarcasm] tag.

Nestor wrote: »

What I want to know is how does a trading guild make 280,000 from guild store cuts in a week? I can see a guild subsidizing the kiosk somewhat for the good of the guild, but I don't see how this is a sustainable model.

Well that guild had a spot in Wayrest for two weeks which made a heap of cash.

It is an elitist system that favours the richest.

This guild did not make millions from duping.

Apparently my own trading guild is spending in the 600k+ range per week for their kiosk. I've never had more than 15k gold on any of my characters, so the amounts being thrown around are mind boggling.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Apparently my own trading guild is spending in the 600k+ range per week for their kiosk. I've never had more than 15k gold on any of my characters, so the amounts being thrown around are mind boggling.

And unequal in terms of opportunity for traders across the board

Once a guild becomes entrenched, it is hard to dislodge. This aspect could be ameliorated by placing all guild kiosks in the same area (like an island), but there would be lag to contend with (which might be a good thing as it might motivate ZOS to do something about that).

As a trade guild GM, I can assure you that I dislike the current bid system as much or more than everyone else. What seems elitist to players and members is an incredible source of frustration for GM's. There are a whole world of issues with the current kiosk system ranging from minor annoyances to issues that are causing massive income loss to some guilds.

250k+ may seem like a huge amount that only high end guilds can afford, but that's not the case. There are many single players that could purchase a location for a week or more just on their own and sustain it for months even with no income from that kiosk. Yes, some players have millions of gold in this game.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have 500 member trade guilds that lose a bid of 250k or more and go without a store for a week and a 1 member guild with 49 inactives that lucks out and gets an unbid kiosk for 100g.

Yes, that 1 member guild has every right to that kiosk, but I do an internal sigh whenever I open up a shop with 0 listings. Yes, there are issues with the system.

lordrichter wrote: »

You need to be in the guilds I am in...

And that is the crux of the problem. If your in a trading guild or two that has a kiosk, and it's in a good location, then you can make some sales. The rest of the kiosks don't make the same sales, and all the people who are in a guild that does not have a kiosk are left to spamming zone chat or selling to guild mates, both limited markets.

Many good suggestions have been made to resolve this within the current framework that has been set out by ZOS.

To Sum Up:
1. Kiosks represent more than one Guild Store
2. Wandering Merchants have random access to a guild store inventory for selling, in addition to the normal vendoring/repair that they do
3. More Kiosks in the locations there are now.
4. Trade Fairs with more kiosks but no more kiosks in the hinterlands
5. Trade Fairs with more kiosks and keep the kiosks in the hinterlands
6. Lottery System where kiosks are assigned randomly to a pool of applicants, with or without a cool down timer on getting back into the pool

All of these would help to some extent and some would even negate the need for a GAH that this game would not be able to support anyway.

dharbert wrote: »

There should be a global auction house, or at least an alliance auction house. But Zenimax apparently has no intention to do this and instead wants everyone to wayshrine between 200 vendors just to find one item.

If only there was a way we could all find items easier and buy and sell without a hassle.....oh yeah, there is.

ESO Trade

Buy, trade, and sell whatever, whenever, wherever. I created this site for you guys, use it. It's not fancy but its better than what you have now, which is no auction house at all.

I applaud the effort. I think it's a fantastic resource, but we need in game tools for these sort of things. ZoS has forgotten about all the bells and whistles that can help sell a game. The core game mechanics are just fine. We need all the little shinies and polish that will move this game from good mechanics to "Wow! I have to play this game forever!"

Once they are done with their champion system changes, I really hope they forget about systems changes for a while and work on polishing up a game that really should have higher sub numbers than it currently does. Fixing the mess that is kiosk bidding would be a great step.

dharbert wrote: »

The least they could do is add a trade section to this, their official forum.

The ones that don't want a global AH are the guilds that have these trading spots locked down. They are afraid of competition and the fact that players might buy from other players at a lower price than pay stupid inflated amounts for certain items.

I can say for sure that I don't do much, if any business in Rawkla (sp?) just because of the inflated prices to be found there. I find things for much less at other kiosks.

I only belong to one trade guild and I sell a great deal of stuff through their trader, which is in Craglorn.........

What I would say as far as sales are concerned a bit of research on current prices goes a long, long way!

As for buying, I regularly do a jaunt round all the major cities in every area just for a look see and if I am looking for specific things again I check everywhere.........

For me this has become part of my gaming experience and I actually enjoy it......

BUT.....

I am genetically hardwired for shopping!!

My favorite trading guild has a guild trader in an obscure location in a low population city. We get it for dirt cheap. I sell items constantly from this kiosk. You don't need to be in a prime location and you don't need to participate in an insane bidding war for said locations in order for your kiosk to be successful. You just need a good active guild with a well stocked store.

People will remember where it's at and come back.

I feel bad for the ones who paid a crap ton of gold for their kiosk, but they have trash in their store.

drschplatt wrote: »

I find the guild trader system to be a bit annoying because it's just a pain in the butt to figure out where all the traders are.

ZOS agrees with you, that's why if you check your map there is a special icon indicating where the guild traders are located. You can look at your map filters and it should be an option.

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

I feel bad for the ones who paid a crap ton of gold for their kiosk, but they have trash in their store.

This will eventually self-correct. It's all very Darwinian.