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If 30CP is the cap will you unsub?
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoWhat interests me is the choice of "30."
Am currently comprehending this a 10 warrior, 10 thief, 10 mage; enough to max out a single star and unlock the next star in one constellation of each type.
You will have 10 points in the red area, 10 in the green area, and 10 in the blue area.
Each of those areas has 3 separate trees. Each of the trees has 4 stars you can put points into(and 4 more that are unlocked automatically as you spend points there), and each of those stars can hold 100 points max.
You will be able to unlock the first unlockable passive in each color (so 3) as long as you spend all 10 points (that belong to a color) in the same tree. For example, you have to spend all 10 green points in the steed (and none in the thief and lady which also are green) to unlock the first steed unlockable passive.
Just to clarify, Warrior is Red and contains the constellations of the Steed, the Lord and the Lady.
Thief is Green and contains the Tower, the Shadow and the Lover.
Mage is Blue and contains the Apprentice, the Ritual and the Atronach.
To my comprehension, the Warrior, the Thief and the Mage are not constellations within the colours, but are actually the constellations governing the colours.
Not clear on if they have an additional 9 passives (make 4 per colour) or not.
Ouch. I meant tower, of course, not steed. (the one we saw at the live)
/blush
There was a passive (War Mount) that was previewed as being part of the Steed in the Road Ahead pictures.
During ESO Live, War Mount was shown as now being part of the Tower in the video.
This is probably what threw you off, it certainly threw me off when watching it."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nono because I am not a whiney 2 year old that threatens to "unsub" every time something somebody perceives to be bad (or even is bad) happens, and if you do, thank goodness because ESO would not want you cause your a d**che.Edited by Wing on December 22, 2014 4:27AMESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.3 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNot a big deal. We'll get 30 CP - fine. We'll get 0 - ok, I'll not QQ. (VR14)Edited by AshySamurai on December 22, 2014 4:27AMMake sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
Etori✭✭✭NoI love when people are talking/threatening to quit a game over changes that haven't even been completely announced.
Seriously, just R-E-L-A-X and wait for the damn patch notes before you get all crazy.3 -
Voodoo✭✭✭✭ok this post deserves a "LOL" vote if there ever was one.Edited by Voodoo on December 22, 2014 5:48AM0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoI couldn't care less about the CP . Hell, give the steam sale VR1 in 2 weeks player 60. I will get new stuff just like I got new gear each time they decide to wreak some set or up the VR cap and I will level stuff up like I did with the undaunted levels. What is going to keep me subbed past February will depend on how much of a disaster the ultimate generation and buff consolidation nonsense will be.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoDon't be melodramatic. There's a reason for this and it's because they want to gauge the champion accrual methods to avoid it becoming completely broken. They are actually doing this to preemptively avoid a balancing disaster.
It's one of the few things they actually planned out correctly.1 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »
I have canceled my subscription until further notice. I'm still waiting for an official answer on this issue and I'll make up my mind once I see it. For now I still have 2 weeks of game time left and I'm still doing the daily undaunted pledges and advancing crafting researchs.
I admit, however, that this is the first time since the beginning that I spend so little time logged in on ESO during a weekend, apart from the ones that I missed because of RL stuff.
The Champion System was a great source of excitement for me and I was eager to test everything on the PTS, but if this 30 CP thing is true, that'll be the end for me.
Thank you @Garetth, I thougt I would be the only one voting yes on the poll.
You should know if you have been play mmo(rpg) before nothing is set in stone until last min a patch go live for the change thing up last min before the launch the patch.
Beside the cap the have on PTS is mostlike just so the don't overload system so the check how it works beside the say that new CS should keep player busy for almost a year of game play so i don't think that 30 CP is the cap.
If i reminder right what i have read you should get 1 point very hour or was every 2 hour of game play that would mean if the cap is 30 CP that the new system is only 30 to 60 hour game play which i don't think it will be if what you say is true.
Sorry i don't reminder where i read i think it was here on forum or if i see on there youtube channel.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
Workerdroid7✭✭✭NoNo, I'm enjoying my time playing this game. I don't see how a cap value will change that.... I just don't.0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭No beating around the bush, no biased options, just getting to the bottom line.
Ok, for the first i think it is important to clarify this Question from the OP. This is only a Question, a Thought like *what would you do if a pink Elephant fly drunken around, in an UFO*, it isnt real, a pure Fantasy Question.
There isnt a 30 CP Cap, and all Players who mean to ragequit about something that dont happen, makes me wonder. Maybe you try to get more Informations and try to really understand how this Systems work, before you quit a really cool Game.
This is like a Scenario in an old Hollywood Sci Fi Movie, where an old blind Man calls out an Mars-Invasion and all runs around and say, *Ohh man (PanicPanic), they coming, the Old man SEES them, we are all Doomed*
There isnt a Mars Invasion, the Old Man sees nothing, he offers only some Fantasy Thougths.
Sure, why he does this? I mean what this Thinking helps the Rest of us, this Info is only a Fantasy. Why we need such Threads and make other Players unsure? Who knows but it isnt a true Information, only a Thought over a flying pink Elephant, in an UFO.
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Murmeltier✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »we should get 30 cp AND then "ontop" of that any and all xp we earned since v1 will transfer over into cp
especially since we turned v14, any and ALL xp Should be transfered into cp.
That is fair, and that is what should have happened, and should happen. and should have been said so very clearly in thier eso live.
but they did not say that ...
You confuse me really. I have seen some Eso Live, read a lot in the Forums. The last Eso Live on 19.12.14 says defeniteley that if you reach Lvl 50 you get a Bonus of 30 CPs and after you hit Lvl 50, you can earn CPs too.
And they said clearly VR14 Players get a Bonus from the EXP they have gained after VR14. How this Bonus works, they work on it but you get this Bonus.0 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoUnsub =/= Quitting
One does not need a subscription to play. Can this fallacy just stop already.0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »no where in that eso Live was it said that you would get more then 30 cp.
the subject was changed and a different topic was started immediately after it was said that we would recieve 30 cp.
THAT is what people are upset about.
because we were told our xp was being recorded and to continue progressing as it would help us in the upcoming cp system. which clearly now we see was a Lie.
Oh yes, another Doomsayer. Where we see this clearly? They said we get a Bonus for the EXP after Lvl50/VR14, they work on it.
Interesting Thing, you cant have such Informations because they dont say you dont get anything. You say they Lie? If you really read some Threads or see some Eso Live, you wouldnt say this.
The 30 CP is only a Sarter Bonus, if you hit the LvL 50, then you can earn EXP/CP after that. Man, you get some "Rest" Bonus too, so you can play another Character and go back to your LvL 50+ Character to hunt some CPs with a Time-Bonus too, after LvL 50.
The Idea with that "Time-Bonus" for CPs is, that you can catch up to Players that plays more often like you. This Bonus is Time based and vanishs after you Play a while.
Maybe the People should hear better to the Things Zenimax offers and stop looking only at Gina Bruno (Sure, she is very Charismatic and do a fantastic Work, like the whole Team in Eso Live and around ).
Edited by Murmeltier on December 22, 2014 7:52AM1 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »No because that's not the cap? From my understanding you can get more CP by playing alts. Apparently you're able to max every constellation out, it just takes a very long time. As it should.
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Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Black_Wolf88 wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »No because I don't really care. I feel it would be better if everyone starts at an equal playing field and see where players branch out to.
thats the problem with the whole issue. everyone is not equal what so ever. this only benefits those who have done the least amount of things in game. mostly new players who just got to vr1 as they have everything available to be done.
on the other hand vr14 have a lot less to do in the way of getting champion points, which is why everyone want what was promised by zenimax - our progress that has been logged counts towards champion points.
only then will everyone be equal in terms of champion points
Yes, you get more CPs if you have done more Ingame. That it isnt unfair, if a Player invest more Time and he gets more for it.
Sure, this Grinding-Thing is irritating, i dont like this but everyone can do this too. Important is, that Zenimax says they offer a System which gives the first Points more % and all following Points going down a bit in %. Like first Point 1% and then the second 0.9%, and so on.
VR14 will have more Options, maybe some % more but they wouldnt have massive higher Bonus in the CP Tree.
Zenimax says they will offer a Bonus if you cant play a lot of Time, so you get 4x (not 100% sure, pls correct me if not) Times faster CPs with that Bonus. So you can catch up to Players that can play more often. This Bonus is Time based, i mean.
We will see how the Balance is, but Zenimax have a Plan for this, they thought about this "Fears".Edited by Murmeltier on December 22, 2014 7:51AM0 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoUnsub =/= Quitting
One does not need a subscription to play. Can this fallacy just stop already.
um... What?0 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
You don't need subscription to play. It's true. You can cancel it, but if you have paid time left, you still able to play. Also, you can use timecards to add 60 pre-paid days.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »Why would I?
I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.
What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.
See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?
Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.
I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.
actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.
You get a Time-Bonus for not playing a Character, so you can catch up faster to Players which plays more often then you. Maybe that helps you to see, that Zenimax try to offer more Fairnes to ALL Players.
This and the Point that every CP-Point gives a lower Bonus to a Skill, will help all the "lower " Lvls/Players to catch up to the Players, with more Time Ingame.
How good this works, we will see but they offer it. A fair Move, i mean.
P.S: Damn i see how often i explained the Time Bonus, am i the only One that see the whole Eso Live Show? I feel lonely, so lonely .
Edited by Murmeltier on December 22, 2014 8:22AM2 -
Blud✭✭✭✭✭Nobosmern_ESO wrote: »No because I don't really care. I feel it would be better if everyone starts at an equal playing field and see where players branch out to.
I probably play more hours each day then the usual ESO player and I don't mind if i have more or equal CS with everyone else.
Absolutely. It is much better for the long-term health of our game with an even playing field. This time, ZOS made a wise decision.2 -
Duccea✭✭✭NoThis is an entirely new game system to enjoy and progess in, and I wouldn't excpect any headstart at all, no matter how much time I spent in the game previously. It's a *new* system, and to me, the point in adding such new things to the game is to give players new things to do and to progress, new goals to work towards.
If a new adventure zone is released, would you also expect to log in and just find all the quests already completed for you and all the rewards in your inventory, just because you spent x amount playing before? Because this is pretty much what you are asking for with the champion system.5 -
YesMurmeltier wrote: »ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »Why would I?
I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.
What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.
See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?
Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.
I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.
actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.
You get a Time-Bonus for not playing a Character, so you can catch up faster to Players which plays more often then you. Maybe that helps you to see, that Zenimax try to offer more Fairnes to ALL Players.
This and the Point that every CP-Point gives a lower Bonus to a Skill, will help all the "lower " Lvls/Players to catch up to the Players, with more Time Ingame.
How good this works, we will see but they offer it. A fair Move, i mean.
P.S: Damn i see how often i explained the Time Bonus, am i the only One that see the whole Eso Live Show? I feel lonely, so lonely .
what are you slow? this is about having options- if a quester has no quests, then they can't quest. in order to get the "bonus" you have to NOT play. so i am supposed to sit a weekend out of game, to earn the bonus to grind out CPs on the next weekend i should already have via the quests i was assured would generate CPs when it was released?
the bonus should be there for the VR1s NOT the VR14s that have 100% completion in content for actually playing the game.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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YesThis is an entirely new game system to enjoy and progess in, and I wouldn't excpect any headstart at all, no matter how much time I spent in the game previously. It's a *new* system, and to me, the point in adding such new things to the game is to give players new things to do and to progress, new goals to work towards.
If a new adventure zone is released, would you also expect to log in and just find all the quests already completed for you and all the rewards in your inventory, just because you spent x amount playing before? Because this is pretty much what you are asking for with the champion system.
worlds most terrible analogy- of course you wouldnt get completion for new zones you havent played. thats dumb... the complaint is about losing the reward of doing the content that was already there and thus was already completed and no longer offered.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes15 players voted yes in the poll so far. 15*15$ = 225$/month.
I suggest that Paul Sage takes away the expresso machine for the Champion System team to cover the costs of this tragedy! Wololo.5 -
Welka✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, quit the drama. CS is brand new. Everyone at the same level from start. Grinders will grind and will create a gap with regular players anyway.
No biggie, move on, next topic...6 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo why would I, 30cp seems like a lot to me in a system that is suppose to be very slow to progress in, I figured we would only get 10 to 15, so I am happy to get 30. When a Nord farts some folks unsub.. /shrug2
