I don't know why it's so big deal for some players.

The exact quote regarding XP tracking, directly from the Justice System Lead.
October 3rd.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »

Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.

Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.

If you feel that the 30 cap is not a good idea, I would strongly suggest that you use the /feedback tool in game and share your concerns.

MissBizz wrote: »

I won't be vet14 ever. I bet they will get rid of vet before I reach it lol. Although I really feel people who have been playing up to and past vet14 should be rewarded for that. It makes no sense that I, with a vr5 and a vr1 will get just as many points as someone who has continued playing their vr14

How about a person with 4 level VR1s a VR5 vs one person with a VR14? I mean how can you say one persons time in game is equal to another? What about the crafters who are VR1 and have 1000s more hours then a VR14 who just grinded or exploited and have 20hours total on them?

If it was about how much play time they should just use /played to decide... VR14 is not amazing accomplishment for some, I would value a Char with all traits researched and all crafting skills but only VR1 more valuable then a VR14 with no crafting... what about the people who PVPed and are emperor and have way less experience then a VR14 PVE player...

Fact is they said 30cp for everyone over VR1 and that is a fair number considering we have no idea how game breaking 1000s of CP will be.

The champion system is a fresh start. There are serious flaws with taking that fresh start and allow some people to stack up enormous leads in champion points. This is the sort of thing that is always done when new game systems are introduced in MMOs; otherwise people start with everything done, and then complain about nothing to do.

Current vet 14s keep their large numbers of skill points, talents skilled up, gear, and so on. It's totally reasonable.

i have one character I really play and have done all the content the intended way, i do feel that i will be put at a disadvantage to players at vr1 or lower who still have all the questing and other content to do while I will be pushed into some form of repetitive grind just to be viable.

If they do this then at least have the decency to procide us with content so we can also generate points.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

i have one character I really play and have done all the content the intended way, i do feel that i will be put at a disadvantage to players at vr1 or lower who still have all the questing and other content to do while I will be pushed into some form of repetitive grind just to be viable.

If they do this then at least have the decency to procide us with content so we can also generate points.

I believe a lot of people rage for the wrong reasons here.

Prior to ESO Live I send in a question asking exactly this (what if players don't like doing one thing / have finished all quests already) and Jason was so kind to ask Maria that question.

Her answer was, that they intend to make xp even in whatever activity you do. Its a work in progress and nothing that is finished with 1.6.

She mentioned that someone who has no quests so to speak, is free to do some daily quests in AVA, kill mobs randomly or do dungeons.
So if you don't have quests left, then you can still do some quests in AVA.

I understand that this might not be everyone's favorite hobby as the danger to get killed is there. However, you will not gain XP slower than someone who is questing in PVE.

There is a gap anyways of how much points you can get in an hour, Maria mentioned that it takes around an hour for one, then there is the enlightment bonus so you don't need to be afraid that a new V1 will now out level you. With a VR 14 you play much more anyways, it takes many months to get to VR 14 so that you still have advantages as a hardcore gamer.

I was always critical about the CS, but the presentation yesterday sounds very plausible and takes away some fear that I had.

It is beyond me why some people now have to rage, even though we all knew that there is a cap on release. People act like they came up with something not known before, but this isn't true.

I also think its good to not reward those who grinded by using exploits, but exactly those would be rewarded without a cap.

So all is fine and people can chill now I hope!

I didn't realize this was the case. I thought they said every account with a vr character will get a base 30 cp's, so an account with only 1 vr1 character will get the 30 cp to play with and not feel left behind.

So we are not getting any additional CP's for our vr1-14 characters? and all we get at the start is 10 CP's to spend in each of the 3 (mage, warrior, thief)?

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Criticism and concerns does not equal raging or qq... And ZOS have form for making less than ideal choices, if not they would not be currently redesigning some of the basics of the game.

At its heart the Champion system is solid and interesting IMO, allowing a nod to long term loyal players would do them more good than harm and to the best of my reading here & elsewhere players are not asking for all their 900 CP in one hit but just for a few extra to acknowledge the large number of extra time (and maybe subs) they have invested in this game compared to those that haven't.

It is not an unreasonable request and one that ZOS initially planned to implement.

I think you underestimate the effect that it would have on non VR 14 players, if your points would Sky rock and they are light-years behind.

To get to VR 14 takes many months of legit gameplay, its not something that is done over night, unless by exploits.

Its is correct that a player who might only play for a month or two / played casually since release, isn't that far behind or even equal to a player with 8 VR 14s.

Of the 2900 stars that players can spend, 30 are unlocked for every VR1. That's a fair deal and still profits those with many chars.

I support their decision and its a much needed one, especially if we consider that most Rank 14 were exploiting the system at one point or another in the past.

Audigy wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I support their decision and its a much needed one, especially if we consider that most Rank 14 were exploiting the system at one point or another in the past.

I have ONE VR14, and did it by questing. I was going to start an alt, until I saw their comment that VR14 would still accumulate points, so I did grinding and Cyrodiil quests to build those up. If I wasted that time, I won't be happy. Have already started an alt Character and have it at level 15, should be vet by the time Champion drops.
ZoS really should comment on this....

Rosveen wrote: »

VR7, so no poll option for me.

I'm okay with the cap, but not okay with it being set to VR1. People should get points for each rank above 1, capping at 14. I can accept ZOS not taking into account exp above 14, even though it makes their previous statements blatant lies.

Btw, I wasn't following the forums, so do we have a confirmation about this cap or are we still going by ESO Live information?

still going by eso live, they haven't responded to any forum thread yet on the issue (even though they responded to other, less popular threads on other issues).

Im ok with it.

ok so I want to address 3 things ppl have put in as a response so far to me.
1 .why didn't you put v2-13 in? I didn't as the group I was wanting a strong response from was those who have done a lot of content up to v14 be it grind/quest/pvp or any other variation of time spent and yet to get a response from those who have just hit or recently hit it. The in-between kinda fall within expected polling due to how close they are to up or down.

2. although not a rage poll it needs to be shown to zos in a respectful way how the players feel about any lies or deception and/or lack of gratitude for the longer term players and the expectation of time in or subbed. where I do understand people play different ways such as log in to rp for hours or pvp or search every inch of the map to enjoy that should count for more than players who didn't stay for bugs/rollbacks/crashes and lag which ultimately helps the game more than those who log and wait until fixes or cancel and come back when it is what they want If that's how they feel?

Ohioastro wrote: »

The champion system is a fresh start.

So I guess I should unsub now until 1.6 goes live? Cause everything before that doesn't count. Oh, okay.

This is all about finite xp resources for solo players at endgame.

Available quests for a solo player is a resource that ends and after that there is nothing outside Cyrodiil.

So if you have already done all the available solo quests in the belief that you would get the reward for the xp once the champ system were implemented as they promises then you are in a big trouble with your V14 toon now since there is NO solo content left to get new champion points.

If there were solo content you could just go on with at V14 then the 30 point cap would be annoying but not really a big issue. But when solo content is a finite resource it IS a big problem.