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Nightblade Update
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Kypho✭✭✭✭eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
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Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.Edited by Kypho on November 24, 2014 8:36PM2 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0 "Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC6 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
You can say that this NB is just better than the opponents.... so what... And those 2 NB doesnt sux.Edited by Kypho on November 25, 2014 5:19PM0 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
You can say that this NB is just better than the opponents.... so what... And those 2 NB doesnt sux.
Haha, I'm sorry, I think you are misinterpreting my "They suck" line as some sort attempt to discredit your abilities. I guess I should have qualified the statement. Those 2 NBs, who (I assumed) jumped you yet failed to kill you with 2 players worth of burst and after initial failure were able to overwhelm you with 2 players worth of resource bars but not after suffering 1 death, they sucked in that moment for grossly underestimating you.
The main advantage to a stealth build is you get to decide when the fighting really starts... If you fail (as a ganker), its from a lack of proper prep for that target. In one of those "Fights" you can clearly see me stop and adjust my bar to fight an enemy who was unaware of my presence. I won those fights because I controlled the flow of battle. Every fight save for one, I initiated combat or when hit, stealthed and re-initiated combat when I was ready.
I am strongly opposed to 2 manning a single target. In all out AvA it is completely reasonable, but I don't find in fun to fight uneven fights. I won't even bother attacking players who I feel would prove far to easy should it come to a slug fest (Most of the time).
So, in conclusion you are very likely a skilled player who was attacked by 2 (likely also skilled) players who failed to take you seriously. That, to me is a moment where they sucked, they messed up.
Also, @absynthe not exactly what your getting at but I take very pronounced penalties for being a Vamp. Not at all OP IMO... Well, not the way I use it.
"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC3 -
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✭Jacques, it's people just like you that keep me coming back to play PvP.
You have been PvP for a good while and have values, morals and ethics.
Even if you are a scum sucking DC filthbag.
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Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭Jacques, it's people just like you that keep me coming back to play PvP.
You have been PvP for a good while and have values, morals and ethics.
Even if you are a scum sucking DC filthbag.
Haha to tell you the truth, I have just as many friends in AD and EP as I do in DC. I really have no alliegence to anyone other than guildies and friends and some NBs. I will only intervene in fights that are uneven. I very rarely will help a fellow DC unless I know them or they're getting out numbered, but I'd even help an AD/EP if they needed help.
One time I killed a guy who beat my buddy in a 1v1. I whispered him "Dude, sorry, kinda had to kill you, super good job though"
Also, I have cussed out friends who got in on my fights... I hate that malarcy. Would have been a great vid, kicked this sorcs teeth in for attacking me during a Rez... Buddy hit him just as I was doing killers blade. The guy had 200hp... I wanted to kill my friend at that moment then and there. Such poor etiquette. It's not even about fair or unfair. It's about even and uneven (and no, they're not the same thing)."Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC2 -
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You are what I consider the difference between a ganker and an assassin.
Well played Sir.Edited by Rune_Relic on December 4, 2014 11:16AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »@Jacques Berge
You are what I consider the difference between a ganker and an assassin.
Well played Sir.
Thank you, thank you (bows head, raises hand graciously)"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC0 -
ThornJagger✭✭✭It's good to see true warriors still are amongst us, well met.I never loose... I either win or learn.
Vae Victis forever0 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭Hahaha thanks guys... I only wish to teach other NBs... Hahaha plus I like killing hahaha"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC2 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭I dont realy understand the discussion above.
After Resto stuff nerf we coming back to the times when nobody wanted to take NBs in trials.
Reason are simple - Clasic Funneal Health build give really poor dps nowdays.
Other damaging skills simply have no use in PVE (ofc we always have use for cripple) or do very low damage or actualy doesnt exist... Just 6 skills which deal damage. Only 3 of them can actualy be used to do some dps. And this on the class supposed to be top DPS in game ? Just... wow.
NBs have only one skill with decent damage - Surprise attack, but quess what ? It is melee and scale of weapon crit,Magicka and Spell damage so its bad in any build you are going for. Only good as utility skill for reducing armor or stunning nooby opponents in PVP who not familar with block.
There are only 3 decent builds for end game content atm
1. Alot of dots... sadly NB are not DK and for some misterious reason NB have only 1 dot ability.
2. Crushing shock.
3. Snipe.
NB dont have synergy with either of this builds.
Haste can give some boost, but obviously Faster light attacks wont make your DPS as high as sorc with Surge or DK with alot of dots and Weapon damage buff on top on CS. Also increasing CS dmg leads to gimping Impale damage.
Same with Snipe. All what NB can do is have more stamina regen. Well, ofc resource management is always good but it is useless if you cant use those resources for more dps.
Dont get me wrong. Yes NB CAN do over 1k dps with a bow, but Sorc or DK can easily do more.
All of damaging ultimates are pretty much useless in terms of dps because they all melee or very close range while most of end game encounters require you to stay away and you actualy losing dps while getting close to place ulti and then back to the distance.
P.S. I still dont understand why people claim NB have hight burst. We HAD it when Sneak attack were dealing decent damage and Soul Harvest were getting sneak attack bonus.
Now what ? Ambush, Soul harvest and then what? You know that it doesnt matter how many % of damage boost you add to "0", it still remain "0".
NB simply have NO high damage skills what so ever.
Assasination skill line have mostly utility skills which doesnt really help you assasinate any1. Just 2 damaging skill in whole line. Impale only viable for finishing off low health enemys. But how are you supposed to get your enemy low enough without other damaging skills ? 1.5 cast time Ambush with very low damage obviously is not the option.
And the fact remain the same. NB still had no love from devs since early access besides some bug fixes. Only nerf after nerf after nerf. Even DK's didn't suffered that much nerf's.Edited by killedbyping on December 11, 2014 2:59PM1 -
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I'm not sure if you have really used it but it's pretty crappy as a heal and it does meh DPS. Not to mention that you can't use your cloak while a mob is taking damage from it, so overall it's pretty useless.killedbyping wrote: »So when exactly are we going to see just about ANY buffs for NB ? I only see nerfs to the skills which was native for NB and their playstyle since the beginning.
The only skill they promised to buff since early access is useless Shadow Path. Yet it was nerfed instead even thou it alrdy was useless enought with such ennormous magicka cost.
They did buff it slightly.
They didn't nerf anything about it, they fixed a bug that was causing it to heal for 2-3 times as much as it was supposed to.
If you're honestly mad that they fixed an exploit like that, I can't really trust your judgment when it comes to balance in this game...
The speed boost is not enough reason to use it and it would be nice if it actually did the kind of damage that wall of elements does.
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It should stun players. It's utter BS the lack of CC we get as nightblades. We only have one AoE CC and it only effects 2 targets. I don't think anyone uses agony and as @killedbyping said shadow cloak and veiled strike combo is very difficult to execute in PvP, mostly due to our very unreliable invis. Other classes have AoE roots or can stun lock. We cannot.Jacques Berge wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »So after reading patch notes i see yet another NB Nerf incoming.
Im not talking about sneak attack dmg but Ambush skill mechanics.
Teleport Strike: The tooltip for this ability now specifies that it immobilizes other player characters instead of stunning them.
Dont want to respec my skills just to see what it say on original skill, but the Ambush morph now says that it stuns mobs for 1.5 or immobolize other players for 1 second.
Why does tooltip say so ? This ability was always STUNNING players, not immobolizing them. And it was stunning them for whole 1.5 secs like mobs, not for just 1 sec.
For those who dont know the difference:
Stun - complete disable of enemy character.
Immobolize - disable enemy character movement.
Immobolize means that enemy player character will still be able to fight back, cast any skills or just Dodge Roll to run away instead of using Break Free which cost much more stamina.
Is it just a misunderstanding betwin devs and patch notes makers again like it was with resto stuff ?
It seems that ability mechanics will be reworked soon to make it actualy immobolize players instead of stun.
After this, NB's will be left with 0 stunning abilitys (expect of a combo with Shadow cloack + Surprise attack ofc which is unworthy in PVP, because it take so much time to land that even autist would be able to block that).
Great way to "buff" the class supposed to dps, stun lock and burst.
Why dont you make Crystal Shards to Jiggle enemy player characters instead of stunning them ?
Ambush never stunned players... This was always something very dumb with the tool tip. Ambush used say it stuns MONSTERS... Which can be taken as npcs
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Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
It should stun players. It's utter BS the lack of CC we get as nightblades. We only have one AoE CC and it only effects 2 targets. I don't think anyone uses agony and as @killedbyping said shadow cloak and veiled strike combo is very difficult to execute in PvP, mostly due to our very unreliable invis. Other classes have AoE roots or can stun lock. We cannot.Jacques Berge wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »So after reading patch notes i see yet another NB Nerf incoming.
Im not talking about sneak attack dmg but Ambush skill mechanics.
Teleport Strike: The tooltip for this ability now specifies that it immobilizes other player characters instead of stunning them.
Dont want to respec my skills just to see what it say on original skill, but the Ambush morph now says that it stuns mobs for 1.5 or immobolize other players for 1 second.
Why does tooltip say so ? This ability was always STUNNING players, not immobolizing them. And it was stunning them for whole 1.5 secs like mobs, not for just 1 sec.
For those who dont know the difference:
Stun - complete disable of enemy character.
Immobolize - disable enemy character movement.
Immobolize means that enemy player character will still be able to fight back, cast any skills or just Dodge Roll to run away instead of using Break Free which cost much more stamina.
Is it just a misunderstanding betwin devs and patch notes makers again like it was with resto stuff ?
It seems that ability mechanics will be reworked soon to make it actualy immobolize players instead of stun.
After this, NB's will be left with 0 stunning abilitys (expect of a combo with Shadow cloack + Surprise attack ofc which is unworthy in PVP, because it take so much time to land that even autist would be able to block that).
Great way to "buff" the class supposed to dps, stun lock and burst.
Why dont you make Crystal Shards to Jiggle enemy player characters instead of stunning them ?
Ambush never stunned players... This was always something very dumb with the tool tip. Ambush used say it stuns MONSTERS... Which can be taken as npcs
I've never had a problem with CC usage honestly... well... in mass pvp its a issue but not one I personally deal with as I tend to keep my encounters a bit more... intimate. hahaha"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC1 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »I dont realy understand the discussion above.
After Resto stuff nerf we coming back to the times when nobody wanted to take NBs in trials.
Reason are simple - Clasic Funneal Health build give really poor dps nowdays.
Other damaging skills simply have no use in PVE (ofc we always have use for cripple) or do very low damage or actualy doesnt exist... Just 6 skills which deal damage. Only 3 of them can actualy be used to do some dps. And this on the class supposed to be top DPS in game ? Just... wow.
NBs have only one skill with decent damage - Surprise attack, but quess what ? It is melee and scale of weapon crit,Magicka and Spell damage so its bad in any build you are going for. Only good as utility skill for reducing armor or stunning nooby opponents in PVP who not familar with block.
There are only 3 decent builds for end game content atm
1. Alot of dots... sadly NB are not DK and for some misterious reason NB have only 1 dot ability.
2. Crushing shock.
3. Snipe.
NB dont have synergy with either of this builds.
Haste can give some boost, but obviously Faster light attacks wont make your DPS as high as sorc with Surge or DK with alot of dots and Weapon damage buff on top on CS. Also increasing CS dmg leads to gimping Impale damage.
Same with Snipe. All what NB can do is have more stamina regen. Well, ofc resource management is always good but it is useless if you cant use those resources for more dps.
Dont get me wrong. Yes NB CAN do over 1k dps with a bow, but Sorc or DK can easily do more.
All of damaging ultimates are pretty much useless in terms of dps because they all melee or very close range while most of end game encounters require you to stay away and you actualy losing dps while getting close to place ulti and then back to the distance.
P.S. I still dont understand why people claim NB have hight burst. We HAD it when Sneak attack were dealing decent damage and Soul Harvest were getting sneak attack bonus.
Now what ? Ambush, Soul harvest and then what? You know that it doesnt matter how many % of damage boost you add to "0", it still remain "0".
NB simply have NO high damage skills what so ever.
Assasination skill line have mostly utility skills which doesnt really help you assasinate any1. Just 2 damaging skill in whole line. Impale only viable for finishing off low health enemys. But how are you supposed to get your enemy low enough without other damaging skills ? 1.5 cast time Ambush with very low damage obviously is not the option.
And the fact remain the same. NB still had no love from devs since early access besides some bug fixes. Only nerf after nerf after nerf. Even DK's didn't suffered that much nerf's.
Really? a really? I don't agree with any of this... I have wonderful success with my siphon build for pve and, as seen above... I am more than capable of killing the crap out of anyone."Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC3 -
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You can't fault us for using light armor and staff though. I tried stamina build with mixed results.set44ub17_ESO1 wrote: »xylus289_ESO wrote: »NB is a p.o.s. class. This is my main and I'm not rerolling. I'd rather unsub, oh wait I already did....
Why? because I can't play a dual wield assassin build and have a side quest,in a VR zone, not feel nearly impossible.
If I wanted to ask another player to help me I'd go to craglorn. fv*k this $h!7.
I love my nightblade vr14 and strong thinking about rolling another in imperial or nots race.....
He said DW assassin, i bet he is not the regular pijama monkey blade like most "strong" ones.
In PvP bows are great for single target damage assuming they are not DKs in which case you have to catch them off guard before they cast RS. None of the stamina abilities even come close to doing the same kind of AoE damage that you can get with magicka attacks though and that is really a problem when faced with multiple enemies. Block casting in melee isn't a great strategy when you are relying on the same pool for defense and offense.
It's the same in PvE too. Basically you end up working really hard to take down groups of enemies if it's even possible at all. If an enemy can't be rooted or stunned you basically need to put out enough damage to kill them before you run out of stamina which even with focused attacks is almost impossible against Craglorn groups.
Now with a magicka build we get the benefits of siphoning attacks as a powerful AoE and can use our stamina pool for defense. Even our single target class abilities are nice especially our execute, impale. Stamina is still a resource that is stretched too thin if used for both offense and defense and our single class defensive ability blur only gives us a miss chance. Otherwise we get jack in the way of defensive abilities.
I'm not saying you can't play as a stamina build, just that it's still a lot more difficult especially against multiple enemies.:trollin:0 -
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Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0:trollin:0 -
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Well that's my point. We do not have the ability to wade into a group of enemies in PvP like a DK can and we don't have the luxury of getting out of it quickly if things get rough like a sorc and we certainly don't get any nice damage shields like a templar. Best thing to do when you see a zerg coming as NB is to run and hide.Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
It should stun players. It's utter BS the lack of CC we get as nightblades. We only have one AoE CC and it only effects 2 targets. I don't think anyone uses agony and as @killedbyping said shadow cloak and veiled strike combo is very difficult to execute in PvP, mostly due to our very unreliable invis. Other classes have AoE roots or can stun lock. We cannot.Jacques Berge wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »So after reading patch notes i see yet another NB Nerf incoming.
Im not talking about sneak attack dmg but Ambush skill mechanics.
Teleport Strike: The tooltip for this ability now specifies that it immobilizes other player characters instead of stunning them.
Dont want to respec my skills just to see what it say on original skill, but the Ambush morph now says that it stuns mobs for 1.5 or immobolize other players for 1 second.
Why does tooltip say so ? This ability was always STUNNING players, not immobolizing them. And it was stunning them for whole 1.5 secs like mobs, not for just 1 sec.
For those who dont know the difference:
Stun - complete disable of enemy character.
Immobolize - disable enemy character movement.
Immobolize means that enemy player character will still be able to fight back, cast any skills or just Dodge Roll to run away instead of using Break Free which cost much more stamina.
Is it just a misunderstanding betwin devs and patch notes makers again like it was with resto stuff ?
It seems that ability mechanics will be reworked soon to make it actualy immobolize players instead of stun.
After this, NB's will be left with 0 stunning abilitys (expect of a combo with Shadow cloack + Surprise attack ofc which is unworthy in PVP, because it take so much time to land that even autist would be able to block that).
Great way to "buff" the class supposed to dps, stun lock and burst.
Why dont you make Crystal Shards to Jiggle enemy player characters instead of stunning them ?
Ambush never stunned players... This was always something very dumb with the tool tip. Ambush used say it stuns MONSTERS... Which can be taken as npcs
I've never had a problem with CC usage honestly... well... in mass pvp its a issue but not one I personally deal with as I tend to keep my encounters a bit more... intimate. hahaha
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Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
Hahahahaha!!! oh I'm no good? why cause I don't use your dumb cookie cutter build? I've never had an issue with success in any realm of the game... please tell me how I am no good... I'd like to see your video of you going around a slaying people... It would be nice to see such a reeeeenooooowwwwnnn expert at work... Should I maybe go run into zergs and spam sap essence and batswarm. I have fun, I'm successful, and haven't been killed by a single player in quite some time.Edited by Jacques Berge on December 11, 2014 4:37PM"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC1 -
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✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
Hahahahaha!!! oh I'm no good? why cause I don't use your dumb cookie cutter build? I've never had an issue with success in any realm of the game... please tell me how I am no good... I'd like to see your video of you going around a slaying people... It would be nice to see such a reeeeenooooowwwwnnn expert at work... Should I maybe go run into zergs and spam sap essence and batswarm. I have fun, I'm successful, and haven't been killed by a single player in quite some time.
It wasn't my intent to insult you, but be honest those people in the video were terrible. The DK stood there blocking your shades and didn't bother to cast a single AoE to get you out of stealth. The templar was running around in circles like he was completely confused. I'm sure it's a matter of semantics but I only meant that the video doesn't particularly showcase your own abilities but rather only highlights how awful the people you were fighting are. If you want to show off how awesome you are you should show a video where are you fighting someone with some skill. I do give you credit for playing a stamina build though.:trollin:0 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
Hahahahaha!!! oh I'm no good? why cause I don't use your dumb cookie cutter build? I've never had an issue with success in any realm of the game... please tell me how I am no good... I'd like to see your video of you going around a slaying people... It would be nice to see such a reeeeenooooowwwwnnn expert at work... Should I maybe go run into zergs and spam sap essence and batswarm. I have fun, I'm successful, and haven't been killed by a single player in quite some time.
It wasn't my intent to insult you, but be honest those people in the video were terrible. The DK stood there blocking your shades and didn't bother to cast a single AoE to get you out of stealth. The templar was running around in circles like he was completely confused. I'm sure it's a matter of semantics but I only meant that the video doesn't particularly showcase your own abilities but rather only highlights how awful the people you were fighting are. If you want to show off how awesome you are you should show a video where are you fighting someone with some skill. I do give you credit for playing a stamina build though.
Were they the best players ever? No, are they a good litmus test of the average players in Cyrodiil though? yes, I think so. Those are only pieces... several of those enemies I fought in different setting, I just dont record everything and sometimes the video messes up... that said, not everyone runs around with AoEs on their bars... its hard to gauge what a player is thinking or trying to achieve through my end of the fight... No way to gauge their resources or all of their skills... Not everyone carries detect pots (Which shouldnt work on cloak in the first place) and alot of the time I scout out these guys to see how they fight and move... And believe it or not... I have a lot of success even with in mass AvA.
My big thing is that to be successful, its best to line up everything you can in your favor.
Sorry I got testie... but not all of those guys were garbage... some, yeah. I put em in there cause theyre funny... But its about knowing what people want and try to do and working against them. I've never had real trouble killing anyone, because I get to choose when the fighting starts... cause I'm patient...
Oh and with 2.4k mana I'd say I'm more of a hybrid build
I just use melee and utility spells. Edited by Jacques Berge on December 11, 2014 5:12PM"Shadow hide you"
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I should have been more careful with my wording. And in fairness I didn't watch the entire video a 24 min run-time is too long for me to watch a highlight reel. Your decision to stick with DW and bow is something to admire and I also admire that you stalked your prey. I found your execution of cloak and CW to be well done as well. Maybe I should have mentioned those things in my first response. Or perhaps I should not have said anything at all. In any regard I am sorry if I offended you.Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
Hahahahaha!!! oh I'm no good? why cause I don't use your dumb cookie cutter build? I've never had an issue with success in any realm of the game... please tell me how I am no good... I'd like to see your video of you going around a slaying people... It would be nice to see such a reeeeenooooowwwwnnn expert at work... Should I maybe go run into zergs and spam sap essence and batswarm. I have fun, I'm successful, and haven't been killed by a single player in quite some time.
It wasn't my intent to insult you, but be honest those people in the video were terrible. The DK stood there blocking your shades and didn't bother to cast a single AoE to get you out of stealth. The templar was running around in circles like he was completely confused. I'm sure it's a matter of semantics but I only meant that the video doesn't particularly showcase your own abilities but rather only highlights how awful the people you were fighting are. If you want to show off how awesome you are you should show a video where are you fighting someone with some skill. I do give you credit for playing a stamina build though.
Were they the best players ever? No, are they a good litmus test of the average players in Cyrodiil though? yes, I think so. Those are only pieces... several of those enemies I fought in different setting, I just dont record everything and sometimes the video messes up... that said, not everyone runs around with AoEs on their bars... its hard to gauge what a player is thinking or trying to achieve through my end of the fight... No way to gauge their resources or all of their skills... Not everyone carries detect pots (Which shouldnt work on cloak in the first place) and alot of the time I scout out these guys to see how they fight and move... And believe it or not... I have a lot of success even with in mass AvA.
My big thing is that to be successful, its best to line up everything you can in your favor.
Sorry I got testie... but not all of those guys were garbage... some, yeah. I put em in there cause theyre funny... But its about knowing what people want and try to do and working against them. I've never had real trouble killing anyone, because I get to when the fighting starts... cause I'm patient...
Oh and with 2.4k mana I'd say I'm more of a hybrid build I just use melee and utility spells.
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Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I should have been more careful with my wording. And in fairness I didn't watch the entire video a 24 min run-time is too long for me to watch a highlight reel. Your decision to stick with DW and bow is something to admire and I also admire that you stalked your prey. I found your execution of cloak and CW to be well done as well. Maybe I should have mentioned those things in my first response. Or perhaps I should not have said anything at all. In any regard I am sorry if I offended you.Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Um...No offense but that nightblade wasn't particularly good, his opponents just sucked. That video proves nothing.Jacques Berge wrote: »eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »
/clap
Nightblades, you're not nerfed at all right now. If you're not fair developers won't improve your class.
thats old... too old... i killd a templar today NB is OP.... nah that DK in video was a joke, just the templar who i killd.... clap clap...
shame i didnt made video, where 2 NB ganker jumped on me, and i was like 10% health, then healed up, killd one, but another got me... now NBs are underpowered because 2 was needed to kill me, but one died still? ppl like you are a joke.
It's older, yeah. But it's not that old. If you got attack by 2 NBs and they didn't kill you it's because they suck, not because the class is/was weak. People often don't have the appropriate build to slug it out with another player... Or the skills for that matter. Here are some newer videos... You can skip the first one... As it's obviously a repeat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j32My3rLF0
Hahahahaha!!! oh I'm no good? why cause I don't use your dumb cookie cutter build? I've never had an issue with success in any realm of the game... please tell me how I am no good... I'd like to see your video of you going around a slaying people... It would be nice to see such a reeeeenooooowwwwnnn expert at work... Should I maybe go run into zergs and spam sap essence and batswarm. I have fun, I'm successful, and haven't been killed by a single player in quite some time.
It wasn't my intent to insult you, but be honest those people in the video were terrible. The DK stood there blocking your shades and didn't bother to cast a single AoE to get you out of stealth. The templar was running around in circles like he was completely confused. I'm sure it's a matter of semantics but I only meant that the video doesn't particularly showcase your own abilities but rather only highlights how awful the people you were fighting are. If you want to show off how awesome you are you should show a video where are you fighting someone with some skill. I do give you credit for playing a stamina build though.
Were they the best players ever? No, are they a good litmus test of the average players in Cyrodiil though? yes, I think so. Those are only pieces... several of those enemies I fought in different setting, I just dont record everything and sometimes the video messes up... that said, not everyone runs around with AoEs on their bars... its hard to gauge what a player is thinking or trying to achieve through my end of the fight... No way to gauge their resources or all of their skills... Not everyone carries detect pots (Which shouldnt work on cloak in the first place) and alot of the time I scout out these guys to see how they fight and move... And believe it or not... I have a lot of success even with in mass AvA.
My big thing is that to be successful, its best to line up everything you can in your favor.
Sorry I got testie... but not all of those guys were garbage... some, yeah. I put em in there cause theyre funny... But its about knowing what people want and try to do and working against them. I've never had real trouble killing anyone, because I get to when the fighting starts... cause I'm patient...
Oh and with 2.4k mana I'd say I'm more of a hybrid build I just use melee and utility spells.
It's all good man... And thanks... The build I have works for me cause I've been fine tuning it since beta... I have higher end gaming gear so the build isnt a one size fits all... I like DW cause its stabby hahaha"Shadow hide you"
Jacques Berge - v14 NB - DC0 -
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I'm not sure if you have really used it but it's pretty crappy as a heal and it does meh DPS. Not to mention that you can't use your cloak while a mob is taking damage from it, so overall it's pretty useless.killedbyping wrote: »So when exactly are we going to see just about ANY buffs for NB ? I only see nerfs to the skills which was native for NB and their playstyle since the beginning.
The only skill they promised to buff since early access is useless Shadow Path. Yet it was nerfed instead even thou it alrdy was useless enought with such ennormous magicka cost.
They did buff it slightly.
They didn't nerf anything about it, they fixed a bug that was causing it to heal for 2-3 times as much as it was supposed to.
If you're honestly mad that they fixed an exploit like that, I can't really trust your judgment when it comes to balance in this game...
The speed boost is not enough reason to use it and it would be nice if it actually did the kind of damage that wall of elements does.
Oh, of course I've used it, and I agree that the ability still isn't very good in most cases.
However, that wasn't what we were discussing. The person I was quoting was insisting that the devs somehow lied about buffing the ability, which they did not. They did exactly what they said they were going to do w/ it, which is what I was pointing out.
It just wasn't enough to make the ability attractive to many people. : P1 -
Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I'm not sure if you have really used it but it's pretty crappy as a heal and it does meh DPS. Not to mention that you can't use your cloak while a mob is taking damage from it, so overall it's pretty useless.killedbyping wrote: »So when exactly are we going to see just about ANY buffs for NB ? I only see nerfs to the skills which was native for NB and their playstyle since the beginning.
The only skill they promised to buff since early access is useless Shadow Path. Yet it was nerfed instead even thou it alrdy was useless enought with such ennormous magicka cost.
They did buff it slightly.
They didn't nerf anything about it, they fixed a bug that was causing it to heal for 2-3 times as much as it was supposed to.
If you're honestly mad that they fixed an exploit like that, I can't really trust your judgment when it comes to balance in this game...
The speed boost is not enough reason to use it and it would be nice if it actually did the kind of damage that wall of elements does.
Oh, of course I've used it, and I agree that the ability still isn't very good in most cases.
However, that wasn't what we were discussing. The person I was quoting was insisting that the devs somehow lied about buffing the ability, which they did not. They did exactly what they said they were going to do w/ it, which is what I was pointing out.
It just wasn't enough to make the ability attractive to many people. : P
I think the ability suffers from too much utility. It can do a lot of things just not great at any of them.
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Kypho✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You can't fault us for using light armor and staff though. I tried stamina build with mixed results.set44ub17_ESO1 wrote: »xylus289_ESO wrote: »NB is a p.o.s. class. This is my main and I'm not rerolling. I'd rather unsub, oh wait I already did....
Why? because I can't play a dual wield assassin build and have a side quest,in a VR zone, not feel nearly impossible.
If I wanted to ask another player to help me I'd go to craglorn. fv*k this $h!7.
I love my nightblade vr14 and strong thinking about rolling another in imperial or nots race.....
He said DW assassin, i bet he is not the regular pijama monkey blade like most "strong" ones.
In PvP bows are great for single target damage assuming they are not DKs in which case you have to catch them off guard before they cast RS. None of the stamina abilities even come close to doing the same kind of AoE damage that you can get with magicka attacks though and that is really a problem when faced with multiple enemies. Block casting in melee isn't a great strategy when you are relying on the same pool for defense and offense.
It's the same in PvE too. Basically you end up working really hard to take down groups of enemies if it's even possible at all. If an enemy can't be rooted or stunned you basically need to put out enough damage to kill them before you run out of stamina which even with focused attacks is almost impossible against Craglorn groups.
Now with a magicka build we get the benefits of siphoning attacks as a powerful AoE and can use our stamina pool for defense. Even our single target class abilities are nice especially our execute, impale. Stamina is still a resource that is stretched too thin if used for both offense and defense and our single class defensive ability blur only gives us a miss chance. Otherwise we get jack in the way of defensive abilities.
I'm not saying you can't play as a stamina build, just that it's still a lot more difficult especially against multiple enemies.
No i dont offend you and other pijamas, its ZOS fault not any player. They are incompetent to ballance LA+staff+1h crap out. The whole mechanic s.x but any adjustment will just cause rage and QQ esp sorcerers, who failing to adapt. Most of good sorcs killing anyone (and not only with crushingshock anim canceling bullsh.t). So i dont say nerf magicka builds, but boost other armor and weapons. They are great now i know, but stamina is far behind the magicka builds. seducer/warlock like crap making it even worse. And until they dont change how block/roll/cc break eating stamina, nothing will change.
(dont come with bow, its not the only weapon for stamina builds... at least it should not be)
Not to mention, stamina builds are much easier to kill than lolmagicka spam cookie cutter zombiebuild.0 -
ThornJagger✭✭✭I agree boost med and heavy armors and most def FIX stamina!I never loose... I either win or learn.
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Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You can't fault us for using light armor and staff though. I tried stamina build with mixed results.set44ub17_ESO1 wrote: »xylus289_ESO wrote: »NB is a p.o.s. class. This is my main and I'm not rerolling. I'd rather unsub, oh wait I already did....
Why? because I can't play a dual wield assassin build and have a side quest,in a VR zone, not feel nearly impossible.
If I wanted to ask another player to help me I'd go to craglorn. fv*k this $h!7.
I love my nightblade vr14 and strong thinking about rolling another in imperial or nots race.....
He said DW assassin, i bet he is not the regular pijama monkey blade like most "strong" ones.
In PvP bows are great for single target damage assuming they are not DKs in which case you have to catch them off guard before they cast RS. None of the stamina abilities even come close to doing the same kind of AoE damage that you can get with magicka attacks though and that is really a problem when faced with multiple enemies. Block casting in melee isn't a great strategy when you are relying on the same pool for defense and offense.
It's the same in PvE too. Basically you end up working really hard to take down groups of enemies if it's even possible at all. If an enemy can't be rooted or stunned you basically need to put out enough damage to kill them before you run out of stamina which even with focused attacks is almost impossible against Craglorn groups.
Now with a magicka build we get the benefits of siphoning attacks as a powerful AoE and can use our stamina pool for defense. Even our single target class abilities are nice especially our execute, impale. Stamina is still a resource that is stretched too thin if used for both offense and defense and our single class defensive ability blur only gives us a miss chance. Otherwise we get jack in the way of defensive abilities.
I'm not saying you can't play as a stamina build, just that it's still a lot more difficult especially against multiple enemies.
A nightblade can actually play as a stamina build,not many can do that nice but really... You really need to meet 1 skilled nightblade with medium armor you will go down and you will enjoy it as well. To be honest i cant play like this with my nb. I met 1, but just one
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP08c1xCW2E