ToRelax wrote: »

Well the heal debuff stacking was what really broke the game playing against snipers, but yes it is still very powerful.
It just was changed from a snipe into some kind of long range machine gun.
I guess it is to make bow a competitive weapon in PvE but in PvP the long range and no dead zone is making it much stronger than before.
ZOS seems to be for some reason unwilling to change abilities for PvP / PvE or even disable them.

I think I know what you are referring to and I am not sure what's going on with it. I've had a couple of occasions where I've been hit with a Mark Target and 3-5 LethaI Arrows in around a second, without noticeable latency and unless the lag spike hit at that precise second and no-one else commented then there wasn't noticeable lag. I'm a DW/Bow player and I can't replicate anything like this effect.

edit: from the same name when I look at the death report.

I have resorted to running Radiant Magelight and impenetrable armor. 56% damage reduction for bow attacks since most of them come from stealth anyway. A 1k snipe becomes a 550-650 snipe, I have 3.2k hp, that's manageable.

If everyone ran RML in pvp it would result in bow users whining they can't kill anyone because they can't 1-2 shot anyone, guess what? Others classes can't either, welcome to the club.

Seriously though, RML is the only hard counter to stealth in the game, it costs 2 skill slots, 5% of max magic, and prevents me from using 2 active skills I hope they are smart enough to leave it alone.

Seriously though put RML on your bar and watch how much less damage you take. 9-10 bow attacks come from steath, cut that damage by 56% at rank 4....totally manageable damage then, you will be much harder to kill for bow users.

Columba wrote: »

learn to block, dodge etc etc etc.

Quoted for [snip].

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Manoekin wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Are you kidding me....

/sigh. Sorry, I just got done being killed 4 times due to lag, and my patience is absolutly gone.

Look people, snipe is not that hard to beat. Roll dodge, block, interrupt the snipe, heal through it, stop riding your horse at max speed through the wilderness..... its not OP at all.

There are much greater issues to be dealt with than a beatable ability.

You're assuming it's a 1v1 situation. The most likely scenario is you're trying to use your siege but can't because there's 20 archers just standing on the edge waiting for anyone to get in range. Or maybe there's 20 archers just hanging behind a group. That's fine and all, but the only thing people are saying is the ability shouldn't be the longest range, highest damaging, +heal debuff all in a quickly casted ability.

then move your siege, or just leave it. Unless you decided to be a distraction for the enemy and have set up 3 balistae, its only one siege weapon... it won't be that much of a loss.

if you stand near an enemy group on your siege and you know you are in their range, then of course you will be attacked.

and why should snipe not do a lot of damage? Can you give a solid, backed-up reason why it should not?

its not that hard to counter..... if you have 3+ players that hit you with it at once, then thats just bad luck; it happens. but if its just one or 2 people, then all you have to do is shield stack, block, or roll dodge.

Destro stave users have block and casting of crushing shock, therefore i see a powerful snipe as a good counterpart. Venom arrow spam wont get you far; trust me, i'v been down that road.

However, i do think snipe needs a deadzone. does not feel right that an ability called "snipe" has point blank capability.

and enough about the dang heal-debuff..... i use it constantly and players still get all the damage healed at a quick rate. The time to complain about the heal de-buff passed when ZOS fixed the stacking of it.

This is how to counter the zergball now though, right? So far it works.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Concerning PvE, the few PvE players that I speak all say the same thing: Stand at the back, spam one single skill and come out with the highest DPS. That is Snipe in a nutshell in PvE.

^^ this exactly

Cody wrote: »

Are you kidding me....

/sigh. Sorry, I just got done being killed 4 times due to lag, and my patience is absolutly gone.

Look people, snipe is not that hard to beat. Roll dodge, block, interrupt the snipe, heal through it, stop riding your horse at max speed through the wilderness..... its not OP at all.

There are much greater issues to be dealt with than a beatable ability.

really?
you obviously run bow and stand back.

if you actually play in the large scale pvp you will know snipe is a problem.
I keep uptime on wings as much as i can and i still get hit, so there are players spamming me with lethal arrow even though i have reflect up hoping to get lucky. Players that bad should not have the ability to wipe organised groups with one ability.

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Dazin93 wrote: »

Funny how there are so many other skills that have been OP for far longer, yet few complain because the majority is using them. Then when suddenly another skill/build is possibly more or equally viable, the calls for nerfs go out. This is why Zos doesn't listen much, or respond to, many of the posts here as they are obviously biased and in that person's own self-interests.
Why should they quickly "fix" anything when people are unhappy no matter what unless their class/build is the equivalent of a "I win" button. If the champion system brings half of what Zos promises I can only imagine all the whining that will come after more balancing lol.

I would be happier if they'd fix unstable familiar, or cloak despite me not playing NB, though I don't see why I shouldn't complain about snipe until everything of higher priority is fixed?

Cody wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Are you kidding me....

/sigh. Sorry, I just got done being killed 4 times due to lag, and my patience is absolutly gone.

Look people, snipe is not that hard to beat. Roll dodge, block, interrupt the snipe, heal through it, stop riding your horse at max speed through the wilderness..... its not OP at all.

There are much greater issues to be dealt with than a beatable ability.

You're assuming it's a 1v1 situation. The most likely scenario is you're trying to use your siege but can't because there's 20 archers just standing on the edge waiting for anyone to get in range. Or maybe there's 20 archers just hanging behind a group. That's fine and all, but the only thing people are saying is the ability shouldn't be the longest range, highest damaging, +heal debuff all in a quickly casted ability.

then move your siege, or just leave it. Unless you decided to be a distraction for the enemy and have set up 3 balistae, its only one siege weapon... it won't be that much of a loss.

if you stand near an enemy group on your siege and you know you are in their range, then of course you will be attacked.

and why should snipe not do a lot of damage? Can you give a solid, backed-up reason why it should not?

its not that hard to counter..... if you have 3+ players that hit you with it at once, then thats just bad luck; it happens. but if its just one or 2 people, then all you have to do is shield stack, block, or roll dodge.

Destro stave users have block and casting of crushing shock, therefore i see a powerful snipe as a good counterpart. Venom arrow spam wont get you far; trust me, i'v been down that road.

However, i do think snipe needs a deadzone. does not feel right that an ability called "snipe" has point blank capability.

and enough about the dang heal-debuff..... i use it constantly and players still get all the damage healed at a quick rate. The time to complain about the heal de-buff passed when ZOS fixed the stacking of it.

3 players hitting me at once is not really new, they did that before snipe got buffed as well. But back then, I would have a chance to roll dodge the first assault and they couldn't spam it like they do now, instead using venom arrows with light attacks. To wich I am still very vulnerable as sorcerer.

Also, try to drain an enemy's stamina enough to kill him with crushing shock. I kill snipers with it because they rather run then going on attacking me with venom arrow or any cc and waste stamina for roll dodge rather than blocking.

Shield stacking will help you to streak away quickly. What will the heal-debuffed templar do? One diseased Lethal arrow and byebye?

You say, it could have a deadzone to feel like a snipe again. About the heal debuff, it still stacks with other heal debuffs and I a not sure wether it stacks with the same from another player.
Can we agree that ZOS should just change or disable certain abilities while in Cyrodiil and the other way around?