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Top tier = the best
The best = have all benefits
have a ll benefits = have all passives that give said benefits
It does not mater how small it is, its the fact that some cant get it fairly.
I still think you're overvaluing the new undaunted passives. They aren't crucial, they aren't mandatory, they aren't game changers.
However, you're broader point concerning the inequity of gaining undaunted experience post patch, between someone like you and me who have already finished most of the dungeon achievements and thus have few if any options to level with any meaningful speed, and someone who hasn't is both a fair and legitimate one.0 -
zZzleepyhead✭✭✭While rereading patch notes from 1.5.5...
•Updated the Undaunted skill line tooltip to include Undaunted Pledges as a way to gain reputation
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭zZzleepyhead wrote: »While rereading patch notes from 1.5.5...
•Updated the Undaunted skill line tooltip to include Undaunted Pledges as a way to gain reputation
and? Saying that as sarcasm or a reason to not care we are still at a disadvantage because they upgrade exp for EVERYONE.Edited by Hortator Mopa on November 20, 2014 4:43PM1 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Been a long time to not get a reply from a dev when they apparently sit on forums all the time.2
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭bump. Reply as people are obviously annoyed and this has a heap of views. So reply devs...2
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭I am seeing ZOS members commenting on stupid threads about ideas that wont be implemented for ages if ever like "A bird that flys around and can land on your shoulder". They are saying things like "This has a lot of good ideas
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Yet they cant respond to a topic that has thousands of players at a disadvantage for PLAYING THE GAME CONTENT prior to a update.1 -
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✭✭✭Next time use ALL caps locks with the bold. And throw in a few angry comments. Maybe call them names and threaten to un-sub. Then bump it a few more times. That will work for sure.2 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Next time use ALL caps locks with the bold. And throw in a few angry comments. Maybe call them names and threaten to un-sub. Then bump it a few more times. That will work for sure.
Good idea! may edit post lol. Wont unsub yet, however some days I go to log on and then decide to play a different game to avoid the derpness.Edited by Hortator Mopa on November 23, 2014 5:32AM0 -
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✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Next time use ALL caps locks with the bold. And throw in a few angry comments. Maybe call them names and threaten to un-sub. Then bump it a few more times. That will work for sure.
Good idea! may edit post lol. Wont unsub yet, however some days I go to log on and then decide to play a different game to avoid the derpness.
Don't take it laying down! Show them how serious you are man. Its the principle of the thing!
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Nacario✭✭✭I think we need to look at this as a whole, not just this specific incident. Throughout ESO there are many issues done "halfway" simply because they cant do everything at once. And thats where they chose to comment on threads/topics that they have the resources or plans to solve.
They are aware of this thread, however since they have not commented on the topic means it's not a priority. And it's not the end of the world, itll only take you a little longer with pledges. You will get there eventually as there is nothing, a bug, that should hinder you.
It's different in threads like where NB cloak doesnt work, or the implementation of scandinavian æøå letters that they still havent commented on.1 -
Winnower✭✭✭✭It's all about quantity over quality, I hope you understand.
The bean-counters at meetings wait for someone to bring up a design issue and say, "how many of the population of the game are affected by this issue?" and if the answer is below a certain threshold, they say "not worth spending time on..."
It doesn't matter if it's poor design. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter that if you put the resources into handling things with artistry and elegance that you'd have the best game ever.
What matters is the risk vs. reward for the accountants and senior management - at the end of the day it is better to have a mediocre game that makes lots of money than to have a great game that makes less money.
Very few of the people I've known in most of the guilds I've played finished all the dungeons previous to 1.5. Many of the ones who did have left the game. So I'd guess that the % of active subscribers who finished all the dungeon achievements before 1.5 is pretty small, probably in the small single digits.
Why should they take time and money to do extra work to fit that in to the development schedule, especially given the attendant risk of getting it wrong and making a big bug somewhere?
And of course remember it's not just this issue; it's all issues. And it's not just game companies, it's the people who make your cars and clothing and houses and food - think about that the next time you eat a dessert topping that has the same ingredients as your floor wax.
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Please respond to this issue and just back credit the XP please. Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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That's sad, and though it's probably true...the problem, for me at least, isn't that I can't get my passives NAO. I'm halfway to Undaunted 8 by doing all the pledges. Doesn't matter, the point is attitude. They basically told their most dedicated players they don't give a **** about us.It's all about quantity over quality, I hope you understand.
The bean-counters at meetings wait for someone to bring up a design issue and say, "how many of the population of the game are affected by this issue?" and if the answer is below a certain threshold, they say "not worth spending time on..."
It doesn't matter if it's poor design. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter that if you put the resources into handling things with artistry and elegance that you'd have the best game ever.
What matters is the risk vs. reward for the accountants and senior management - at the end of the day it is better to have a mediocre game that makes lots of money than to have a great game that makes less money.
Very few of the people I've known in most of the guilds I've played finished all the dungeons previous to 1.5. Many of the ones who did have left the game. So I'd guess that the % of active subscribers who finished all the dungeon achievements before 1.5 is pretty small, probably in the small single digits.
Why should they take time and money to do extra work to fit that in to the development schedule, especially given the attendant risk of getting it wrong and making a big bug somewhere?
And of course remember it's not just this issue; it's all issues. And it's not just game companies, it's the people who make your cars and clothing and houses and food - think about that the next time you eat a dessert topping that has the same ingredients as your floor wax.
Have a nice day.
And at the same time they release yet another useless vanity pet as "reward" to clutter the inventory and screen. There's so much irony in that.
Can we maybe just have our experience back instead of the useless pet(which I still haven't recieved anyway)?
EDIT: On a side note, it's not like we're asking for something outrageously gigantic and supercomplicated. The achievements have clear time stamps and there's an achievement for rank 5 Undaunted. I'm not an expert game programmer or anything, but common sense politely hints this shouldn't exactly take months to compare the two. If they're not even willing to do that much for players who've been spending days completing hardest game content since launch...well, I honestly don't know what to say.Edited by Magdalina on November 24, 2014 4:28PM5 -
whsprwind✭✭✭That's sad, and though it's probably true...the problem, for me at least, isn't that I can't get my passives NAO. I'm halfway to Undaunted 8 by doing all the pledges. Doesn't matter, the point is attitude. They basically told their most dedicated players they don't give a **** about us.
This.
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to back credit, given that the achievement points are logged in our achievements journals.
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guybrushtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »I am seeing ZOS members commenting on stupid threads about ideas that wont be implemented for ages if ever like "A bird that flys around and can land on your shoulder". They are saying things like "This has a lot of good ideas".
Yet they cant respond to a topic that has thousands of players at a disadvantage for PLAYING THE GAME CONTENT prior to a update.
Maybe that's because the thread title just can't be taken seriously. Also, nobody likes people who need to spell out their ideas in both bold and caps. Nobody.Edited by guybrushtb16_ESO on November 24, 2014 1:49PM0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »I am seeing ZOS members commenting on stupid threads about ideas that wont be implemented for ages if ever like "A bird that flys around and can land on your shoulder". They are saying things like "This has a lot of good ideas".
Yet they cant respond to a topic that has thousands of players at a disadvantage for PLAYING THE GAME CONTENT prior to a update.
Maybe that's because the thread title just can't be taken seriously. Also, nobody likes people who need to spell out their ideas in both bold and caps. Nobody.
Cant be taken seriously? Nearly ever response on a thread with over 4k views is in my favor.
I use bold because (once again) there is over 4k views and its been on the top of general forums for over 14 days and no ZOS member has responded. YET they can respond to stupid posts.
You and your logic can not be taken serious.. either dumb or a troll. No right minded person would think that this is a thread that cant be taken seriously.
How better can it be explained, We played the game content, now we dont get what everyone else gets. THUS
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guybrushtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »I am seeing ZOS members commenting on stupid threads about ideas that wont be implemented for ages if ever like "A bird that flys around and can land on your shoulder". They are saying things like "This has a lot of good ideas".
Yet they cant respond to a topic that has thousands of players at a disadvantage for PLAYING THE GAME CONTENT prior to a update.
Maybe that's because the thread title just can't be taken seriously. Also, nobody likes people who need to spell out their ideas in both bold and caps. Nobody.
Cant be taken seriously? Nearly ever response on a thread with over 4k views is in my favor.
I use bold because (once again) there is over 4k views and its been on the top of general forums for over 14 days and no ZOS member has responded. YET they can respond to stupid posts.
You and your logic can not be taken serious.. either dumb or a troll. No right minded person would think that this is a thread that cant be taken seriously.
How better can it be explained, We played the game content, now we dont get what everyone else gets. THUS
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What I commented on was not the content, but the way you presented it and how you chose a typical internet clickbait hyperbole for a thread title and central point. "Punished for playing the game" is just a ridiculously dramatic overstatement, when all that really happened was that changed achievements didn't get backcredited. It probably should be addressed at some point, but it is far from being what could be considered "punishment" in any form.
It's just annoying at this point to have to read histrionic exagerations like "ZOS spits in the face of their customers" or how "X is a kick in the teeth for Y", no matter what minor inconvenience they actually ramble about. Also, calling someone who calls you out for it "either dumb or a troll" falls right in that territory again.2 -
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✭Although it would be nice for ZOS to reply in this thread, with what they said about the issue in ESO Live, I doubt if it will happen.
I noticed in the ESO Live a comment by one of the developers, that they had read the comments in the Reddit Forum! Explains a lot I think, it may be that the developers are not even aware of this forum!
I'm truly thinking of giving up on this Forum and opening a Reddit account, however I've heard that Reddit is heavily moderated and any negative details are removed.Edited by Cherryblossom on November 25, 2014 1:31PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »I am seeing ZOS members commenting on stupid threads about ideas that wont be implemented for ages if ever like "A bird that flys around and can land on your shoulder". They are saying things like "This has a lot of good ideas".
Yet they cant respond to a topic that has thousands of players at a disadvantage for PLAYING THE GAME CONTENT prior to a update.
Maybe that's because the thread title just can't be taken seriously. Also, nobody likes people who need to spell out their ideas in both bold and caps. Nobody.
Cant be taken seriously? Nearly ever response on a thread with over 4k views is in my favor.
I use bold because (once again) there is over 4k views and its been on the top of general forums for over 14 days and no ZOS member has responded. YET they can respond to stupid posts.
You and your logic can not be taken serious.. either dumb or a troll. No right minded person would think that this is a thread that cant be taken seriously.
How better can it be explained, We played the game content, now we dont get what everyone else gets. THUS
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I count 34 agrees out of 4 thousand views.
Don't mistake marketing for consensus.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Spoken like true members of the "Didnt do anything to my game play so meh" party.1
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✭✭✭✭If they delay long enough they can back credit at a point where most are already capped on undaunted again, thus keeping the treadmill intact while successfully allowing back credit.
That still won't fix the notion that is now created that lore books and achievements should not be achieved or read unless there are xp points to gain.Edited by Armitas on November 25, 2014 3:23PMRetired.
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I mean, it's not like the two undaunted passives are OP?
Just do your 2 dailies every day and you will gain 1 undaunted level a week (so level 10 in about 3-4 weeks) while still enjoying the game doing other stuff?
And btw, I got all the dungeon achievements except those for killing X00 mobs (which I don't plan on farming for a couple of lousy undaunted exp points), so I'm not at level 10 undaunted telling you to just deal with it.
This thread has been going on for 4 pages complaining about not getting asap something that is pretty much useless. There are more important issues in the game like PVP balance and lag, the horrific UI, the PVE content that are more important than this and where you could be putting your energy on.Edited by TehMagnus on November 25, 2014 3:29PM1 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭^ not about exp, rewards or what is lost.
Do I really have to keep saying this...
It is about being punished for doing in game content.
Who cares if the reward is 1% or 10000000% bonus to hp. Its how they are willing to design the game to punish current players who ACTUALLY play the game content.0 -
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✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »^ not about exp, rewards or what is lost.
Do I really have to keep saying this...
It is about being punished for doing in game content.
Who cares if the reward is 1% or 10000000% bonus to hp. Its how they are willing to design the game to punish current players who ACTUALLY play the game content.
It's not a punishment, you can get to undaunted level 10 pretty fast and they aren't in any obligation to award retroactively points for things you did before.
Just keep playing the game and chill, this is not an important nor a gamebreaking issue.0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »^ not about exp, rewards or what is lost.
Do I really have to keep saying this...
It is about being punished for doing in game content.
Who cares if the reward is 1% or 10000000% bonus to hp. Its how they are willing to design the game to punish current players who ACTUALLY play the game content.
It's not a punishment, you can get to undaunted level 10 pretty fast and they aren't in any obligation to award retroactively points for things you did before.
Just keep playing the game and chill, this is not an important nor a gamebreaking issue.
its 100% fair to give a player who did less a advantage over another player who did more work. - you0 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »^ not about exp, rewards or what is lost.
Do I really have to keep saying this...
It is about being punished for doing in game content.
Who cares if the reward is 1% or 10000000% bonus to hp. Its how they are willing to design the game to punish current players who ACTUALLY play the game content.
It's not a punishment, you can get to undaunted level 10 pretty fast and they aren't in any obligation to award retroactively points for things you did before.
Just keep playing the game and chill, this is not an important nor a gamebreaking issue.
its 100% fair to give a player who did less a advantage over another player who did more work. - you
let it go man, try to get two purple warlock rings or something, like was proven in the 10k views thread about the warlock rings, it is not like ZOS cares. Sometimes the slow players get punished, sometimes the fast levelers.
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