finally...word that they're actually planning to bring them back.Now. lets wait for all the ppl to chime in and say they're so glad who were happy we didn't have them and never wanted to see them again.

This should be good.

It's a little bit funny...

Just from playing the game, I'd say everything is fine, or at least going to be fine.
But from checking these forums I all of a sudden feel like the game is broken, I'm being cheated, maybe last night in Cyrodiil wasn't as fun I remember it, maybe I'll never reach max level, and patches only make things worse.

Okay, only a little bit funny

Joy_Division wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Quick update! We currently are running the resurrection only in the FC radius we mentioned a while back through the design and testing rings. We're also looking at adding global cooldowns to the respawning at an FC (meaning if you respawn at an FC you can't personally respawn at another for "X" period of time) and reducing the size of the radius.

Again, this is all getting it's testing done internally and running through various alterations and will continue to do so before it's posted live/PTS.

Damn man. We don't want this. It's not needed. If a person can't be bothered to ride 2 minutes they are playing the wrong game.

Whatever you do NEVER bring back the bloodgate to bloodgate spam AoE meta. We enjoy fighting in the fields and keeps, not just spamming AoE at the whole in the wall.

Who is "we"? I most certainly do want this.

I think PoE have something that might interest you.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Quick update! We currently are running the resurrection only in the FC radius we mentioned a while back through the design and testing rings. We're also looking at adding global cooldowns to the respawning at an FC (meaning if you respawn at an FC you can't personally respawn at another for "X" period of time) and reducing the size of the radius.

Again, this is all getting it's testing done internally and running through various alterations and will continue to do so before it's posted live/PTS.

All I can say is thanks Brian. just logged off pvp again due to it being so uneventful and as a player who doesn't run with organised raids.

This should be a good compromise

Noooooo, don't bring those camps back... Don't want them, don't need them, can't even properly test without people going through their supplies yet, but already it's so much more exciting without them.

People aren't yet accustomed to a proper pvp where you don't die all the time and care about deaths, and have to choose paths to get to the fight, and can have a surprise along the way.
Give it more time, they'll stop whining, we're not playing The Elder Camps Online.

I get why they are looking at it, if people are not re-subbing directly because of the no camps change then ZOS have to do something as they have a business to run. Subs = $$$

BUT, ZOS shouldn't have done away with camps in the last patch, not without offering up a solution like what Brian is suggesting will happen at a later date. They should have kept camps in till they have an alternative to go live, not just kill them off then release something later because <reasons>. This cause instability, some players will be pro-camp others against. This causes no end of dramas both in game and in forum.

I'm personally liking the no camps thing now that I've got used to it, and now after playing for a while without them I don't think we need anything else, but then I don't speak for everyone and I understand this. I'm sure others feel the same way, I'm sure others want camps back in some form.

ZOS need to be careful what piece of the jenga PvP puzzle as @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ said, they are pulling out, camps are a huge big deal to PvP.

For those who think dying should mean something, u can ride your horse all day long if u want.

Just give us back our FC.

Despite knowing they will, I sincerely hope they`ll never bring back the camps. PvP is so much better now.

Please also consider a no forward camp server for those of us who may or may not want to pvp with forward camps. we know you have servers to spare.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Quick update! We currently are running the resurrection only in the FC radius we mentioned a while back through the design and testing rings. We're also looking at adding global cooldowns to the respawning at an FC (meaning if you respawn at an FC you can't personally respawn at another for "X" period of time) and reducing the size of the radius.

As someone who strongly supported removing the FCs altogether and has been loving PVP since they were removed, this actually sounds awesome, and will hopefully be the best of both worlds.

Elendor wrote: »

Noooooo, don't bring those camps back... Don't want them, don't need them, can't even properly test without people going through their supplies yet, but already it's so much more exciting without them.

People aren't yet accustomed to a proper pvp where you don't die all the time and care about deaths, and have to choose paths to get to the fight, and can have a surprise along the way.
Give it more time, they'll stop whining, we're not playing The Elder Camps Online.

Wandered around for a couple of hours last night, hardly found any decent action. PvP guilds were announcing their movements, usually by the time I got there the action as done.

Only 2 decent fights I had were: one, against EP outside a keep about 10 v 10. Was a good fight but EP ultimately lost as even though they had a resource there was nowhere for them to rez. There were too many of us around their corpses for them to them to rez eachother. Great fight but soon over.

Other great fight was us against AD outside one of their keeps. We pretty much got wiped after a great fight, but someone planted an FC in a field and the fight continued.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Quick update! We currently are running the resurrection only in the FC radius we mentioned a while back through the design and testing rings. We're also looking at adding global cooldowns to the respawning at an FC (meaning if you respawn at an FC you can't personally respawn at another for "X" period of time) and reducing the size of the radius.

Again, this is all getting it's testing done internally and running through various alterations and will continue to do so before it's posted live/PTS.

Sounds like a solid plan!

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Elendor wrote: »

Noooooo, don't bring those camps back... Don't want them, don't need them, can't even properly test without people going through their supplies yet, but already it's so much more exciting without them.

People aren't yet accustomed to a proper pvp where you don't die all the time and care about deaths, and have to choose paths to get to the fight, and can have a surprise along the way.
Give it more time, they'll stop whining, we're not playing The Elder Camps Online.

Wandered around for a couple of hours last night, hardly found any decent action. PvP guilds were announcing their movements, usually by the time I got there the action as done.

Only 2 decent fights I had were: one, against EP outside a keep about 10 v 10. Was a good fight but EP ultimately lost as even though they had a resource there was nowhere for them to rez. There were too many of us around their corpses for them to them to rez eachother. Great fight but soon over.

Other great fight was us against AD outside one of their keeps. We pretty much got wiped after a great fight, but someone planted an FC in a field and the fight continued.

You couldn't have a good hold on pvp strategies if you are wondering for hours with no action. Maybe you should spend some time learning (or at least just thinking about for one second and using a smidge of common sense) these common battle movement patterns, so you could be proactive instead of reactive.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Quick update! We currently are running the resurrection only in the FC radius we mentioned a while back through the design and testing rings. We're also looking at adding global cooldowns to the respawning at an FC (meaning if you respawn at an FC you can't personally respawn at another for "X" period of time) and reducing the size of the radius.
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ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cooldowns we're talking about range between 2-5 minutes (basically runtime/ridetime back to a fight from a nearby keep or keeps).
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So there will be no bloodporting, and basically one "free death" in range of the camp before having to face the death penalty.

Sounds reasonable.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler please do favour the longer potential durations when deciding upon a time for cooldowns. Alternatively, a cooldown that increases even higher with rapid subsequent deaths would maintain a lot of appeal.
If players are going to be lying on the ground waiting for a timer before ressing at camp, the duration would be best set so as to make the choice of instead riding back and risking combat to be potentially preferable to waiting out the timer at least some of the time.
Camps are fine when utilized reasonably, but Cyrodiil benefits by having action between hotspots.