PvP Destroyed

WebBull

I don't know what to say other than what a huge mistake. PvP in ESO is official dead. Even the forum is dead. I can understand the thought process and reasoning of removing FC's but with no back up plan??? No positive changes offset the negatives? This is a game but you are running a business, and this was a terrible business decision.

No - there is no uptick
No - people aren't just leveling Undaunted
No- people aren't just PvEing
Yes-there are some positives but massively out weighted by the negative.
Yes- this was a huge change with no/poor fore-planning = lost subs.

Please make changes quickly before you lose over half your PvP player base. Yes-half.

Ezareth

It isn't just Brian Wheeler.

The original people who had a 6 month subscription to start had it expire this week and many of us myself included never renewed our sub. That's probably why they pushed 1.5 out faster than anticipated this week, to try and sucker us all into resubbing. The plan backfired apparently.

Gilvoth

i dont agree with you.
those camps were causing alot of problems and you guys know it.
just need a better way of doing it is all.

KBKB

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

It isn't just Brian Wheeler.

The original people who had a 6 month subscription to start had it expire this week and many of us myself included never renewed our sub. That's probably why they pushed 1.5 out faster than anticipated this week, to try and sucker us all into resubbing. The plan backfired apparently.

I've been really wondering how this game would go once the 6 monthers are up guess we are about to find out!

OtarTheMad

FCs had to go, PvP is better without them. The only thing that grinds my gears about PvP is the lag most likely caused by 1.5 and also the players who crash the PvP servers on purpose cause they lost a scroll. Other than that I'm good.

Ezareth

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i dont agree with you.
those camps were causing alot of problems and you guys know it.
just need a better way of doing it is all.

No one has ever said camps were not a problem.

The problem is the "solution" is worse than the problem, as often is the case.

poltida

Or did it? Thats your point of view. I prefer no camps and more strategic game play to unrealistic group suaciding to get across the map or feed a keep under attack that is suppose to block player from readily defending it if they die... 20$ your zerg dude spamming impulse and probably bat swarm

WebBull

I never said that FC's should stay. I said the decision with lack of forethought and planing to offset the negatives was a terrible business decision.

Columba

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse spamming able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

FCs rewarded a very deleterious play style. Sorry for your disappointment.

Ezareth

Now all the people who think it saved PvP can all sit around in a dying campaign saying how great the change is for them....until they realize how bored they are and move on with the rest of us.

Leovolao

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

I am one of those mindless impulse spammer you seem to hate with such passion. Therefor I extend a formal challenge to you: fight me 1v1 and let's see who stands victorious, the monkey or the hater?

Not tonight tho, I need to finish studying for a monster exam.

Columba

Leovolao wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

I am one of those mindless impulse spammer you seem to hate with such passion. Therefor I extend a formal challenge to you: fight me 1v1 and let's see who stands victorious, the monkey or the hater?

Not tonight tho, I need to finish studying for a monster exam.

lol the equivalent to a high school fight? lol. No. I am a NB. I will just gank you with my stealth group. hahahaha.

Leovolao

Columba wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

I am one of those mindless impulse spammer you seem to hate with such passion. Therefor I extend a formal challenge to you: fight me 1v1 and let's see who stands victorious, the monkey or the hater?

Not tonight tho, I need to finish studying for a monster exam.

lol the equivalent to a high school fight? lol. No. I am a NB. I will just gank you with my stealth group. hahahaha.

Because NBs are so weak 1v1 right?

/sigh

Somehow I knew your answer was gonna be a big fat no. Funny how gankers never man up.

Ifthir_ESO

Tea pot always enjoy fighting you man keep up the good work

Gilvoth

Leovolao wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

I am one of those mindless impulse spammer you seem to hate with such passion. Therefor I extend a formal challenge to you: fight me 1v1 and let's see who stands victorious, the monkey or the hater?

Not tonight tho, I need to finish studying for a monster exam.

lol the equivalent to a high school fight? lol. No. I am a NB. I will just gank you with my stealth group. hahahaha.

Because NBs are so weak 1v1.

Funny how gankers never man up.

the reason we dont "man up" is just like you said "we nightblades are weak 1v1 and we know it" much easier to stabb you in a dark alley when you are not expecting us, so we have a better chance at winning.
if you want a "man to man fight" then hit up a dragonight.

MiyaTheUnbroken

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i dont agree with you.
those camps were causing alot of problems and you guys know it.
just need a better way of doing it is all.

I believe the OP is being a bit dramatic, but the core of his statement is unfortunately true. FCs have been the bane of my existence since my first day in Cyrodiil. I hated suicide resources with a passion. I hated troll camping. I hated watching all those poor noobs being berated relentlessly for placing a camp in the wrong place when people had been shouting "NEED CAMP NOW" for a whole minute. Most of all I hated that my only skills as a player were actually detrimental to my alliance. Surviving is what I'm best at. I know exactly when to run and hide, and in sieges I am almost always left behind, but with FCs that only hurt me. My alliance would be respawning somewhere else, to engage in a different battle, while I'm stuck either ganking at their keep and helping the enemy fast travel or sneaking through enemy territory for a half hour. Forward camps absolutely needed to go.

The problem is that was not the only change we needed. It's a step in the right direction, but without supporting changes it is crippling PvP. We need allies to res each other, but with the high cost of soul gems, and vulnerability you face in doing so you're facing a lot punishment for assisting your alliance. There are plenty of threads about what other changes should be brought in to fix these problems, so I won't get into that here because I'm tired. The point is with only the camps being removed, and nothing else added or changed, the bad is outweighing the good. This was a poor decision, essentially removing a tumor without administering any medication.

Gilvoth

i was thinking about asking for wayshrines to be added perhaps inbetween certain keeps maybe, but then i realized people would just camp the shrines waiting for people to spawn and would just be greefing and extreme annoying.
but something along the lines of wayshrines is probably the best answer in this case.
even if they had an area around the shrine that was a safe zone to make it so you could not be killed there, but even that can be abused so i dont know the real answer but there is answers somewhere and im sure those answers will be found in zenimax.
gota have faith.

WebBull

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

It's not a skill/class debate. Think deeper.

While you may love it, the majority doesn't. Without the majority you won't have a game.

If you want the game to survive, you should look for the best solution for all players, not yourself/class.

Columba

WebBull wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

it's not a skill/class debate. Think deeper.

every class can use impulse, think, just think at all.

WebBull

Columba wrote: »

WebBull wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I disagree with you . Brian you SAVED PVP. No more mindless impulse monkey spammers able to hurl themselves at the enemy without consequences. applause!

now the pulsing pederasts are angry. good riddance.

it's not a skill/class debate. Think deeper.

every class can use impulse, think, just think at all.

Read my edit

Columba

the majority? lol what majority? survey says...majority LIKES fc removal.

WebBull

Columba wrote: »

the majority? lol what majority? survey says...majority LIKES fc removal.

Majority meaning, players unhappy with the current situation. Not camp removal. See original post.....

TheBull

are these shills posting? They can't possibly be playing, seriously. Things have been epic with 3 locks. wtf?

themizario

I have not seen this solution anywhere yet...


Make FC's cost 100k AP


Don't get rid of them just make them expensive as [snip] so not everyone and their alt can drop one.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Koensol

themizario wrote: »

I have not seen this solution anywhere yet...


Make FC's cost 100k AP


Don't get rid of them just make them expensive as [snip] so not everyone and their alt can drop one.

Which will lead to more pointless AP farming. No thanks.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Xsorus

PvP seemed fine tonight with capped pops for a while

DezIsDead

Omg isn't this naming and shaming? Thoust dare to call out zos devs? Ban hammer!


For real though I don't mind the no camp thing. Yeah it suck really bad when you die otw somewhere. But it's whatever. I'm just gonna be sad when everyone's sub runs out. I might have to like play swtor again, and that would suck.

Turelus

The thing killing PVP most right now is the stupid Low Population bonus where factions are gaining +500 points even while at population cap.

Sanct16

The problem is that the only action is a big fat zerg of each faction running between the same keeps back and forth all day long.

Turelus

Sanct16 wrote: »

The problem is that the only action is a big fat zerg of each faction running between the same keeps back and forth all day long.

This is different from pre 1.5? The difference for me now is wiping an attack actually means it can end. We also need to be vigilant and keep scouts around keeps.

Sharee

I don't see this supposed exodus from pvp. Campaign is full, action is all over the place.